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Toyota Camry AWD Issues?

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Hello All,
Bought a '21 AWD LE to replace an '21 FWD SE that was totaled. I was strongly considering a RAV LE for the AWD and storage capabilty but my wife already has one. I impulsively jumped on the AWD Camry because it was priced $2600 below MV and I needed a car after almost two months of going through insurance company BS and not having a car. I find very little info on the Camry AWD long term reliabilty. I understand that it shares the same platform and drivetrain with the RAV4. The only downside is the gas mileage. With the FWD Camry I was getting 33-40 mpg. I have yet to crack 29 mpg with the AWD, granted that it is winter. I DO need the AWD drive to make it up icy hills at low speeds that my FWD with awesome snow tires couldn't make on unplowed roads. Anyone's experiences and opinions with this car would be greatly appreciated.
 
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I also own the Camry 4 cylinder SE AWD. I purchased a brand new 2023 model with the 4 cylinder engine. My SE AWD has only 379 miles on it right now and I got 29 to 30 mpg overall average gas mileage on the very first tank of gas with 75% highway and 25% city driving. I don’t really know what the exact gas mileage will be on my 4 cylinder 2023 Camry SE AWD, but I can tell you that I will be very disappointed if I don’t get at least an average of 34 mpg to 35 mpg or more on it with my overall driving.
I’ve been trying to ask others in here who own the Camry SE AWD and LE AWD 4 cylinder what their average mpg gas mileage is but nobody has any information on this. I don’t know why they don’t know what their average mpg is on their 4 cylinder Camry AWD. Maybe there are some Camry AWD 4 cylinder owners in here who can give more information on what they get for mpg gas mileage on their 4 cylinder AWD Camry. It would be nice to have a large sample of Camry owners who own the 4 cylinder AWD to give us the average mpg gas mileage that they get on their AWD Camry.
 
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I’ve been trying to ask others in here who own the Camry SE AWD and LE AWD 4 cylinder what their average mpg gas mileage is but nobody has any information on this. I don’t know why they don’t know what their average mpg is on their 4 cylinder Camry AWD. Maybe there are some Camry AWD 4 cylinder owners in here who can give more information on what they get for mpg gas mileage on their 4 cylinder AWD Camry. It would be nice to have a large sample of Camry owners who own the 4 cylinder AWD to give us the average mpg gas mileage that they get on their AWD Camry.
41 MPG in AWD Camry (2022) with all highway miles during a 430 mile trip. Using 0W-20 at 5K miles and fuel cleaner.

Close to 45 MPG in FWD Camry (2020) with the same trip.

I have photos to prove it but I struggle trying to upload photos on here.

Technical reason behind that is... AWD tank is smaller to fit the rear differential under center floor pan.
 
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#4 ·
Ultimately 90% of your Camry is identical to FWD Camrys- and they have been pretty reliable so far. The AWD system is pretty much identical to the system used in other Toyota AWD models- and is pretty simple in its operation and decently reliable as long as its maintained. As you mentioned, it's pretty similar to the system used in the Rav4 AWD- which has been pretty reliable since it came out.

As for long-term reliability- there aren't tons of these models out there with really high mileage yet. We do know that the four cylinder engine is particular about oil- make sure that you use the correct oil. Other than that- it seems like it's going to age about as well as most Toyotas... meaning that if you take car of your car in terms of preventative maintenance- it will last a long time.

Personally- if you are planning on keeping it for a while- I'd change the oil every 5,000 miles rather than 10,000 as Toyota recommends. Just my opinion.

As for gas mileage- yep- AWD Camrys are going to get lower mpg compared to FWD Camrys. Not much you can do about that. It's the trade-off that you deal with for the additional grip/traction that AWD comes with. I believe that the AWD Camry is rated for 25mpg in the city and 34mpg on the highway. In winter, those numbers will be lower.... so it's not unexpected that you are not yet able to beat 29mpg... especially if it includes city driving.
 
#6 ·
My wife has 2020 XSE AWD with 19k miles and not a single issue. She gets about 32 avg mpg driving 30% suburban and 70% highway at 84 miles to and from the office. Summer time she can average 34mpg on the same route. I had a 2018 4cyl FWD and it would average 3-5 mpg more on the same route. It's as reliable as any camry i had so far and I had 2013, 2016, 2018, 2020 and now 2023. Not a single issue with any of them.

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#7 ·
Thanks to everyone here that provided their experiences and opinions. I guess I should have framed the question as high mileage since the AWD Camry only returned in 2020. I do plan on keeping it until the wheels fall off--or rust eventually kills it. I am doing the 5k oil change interval. Guess I will rely on Toyota's track record for reliability and durability.
 
#9 ·
I mostly agree with you about FWD with snow tires. However I live in rural Vermont and there are three steep hills I need to get up in the winter time just to get home. It sucks after a long day in the winter time not to make it all the way to my door because I'm spinning my wheels even with the best snow tires. Been there with my last FWD Camry
 
#11 ·
I have a 2023 XSE AWD from November 2022. It's excellent, but yeah the fuel consumption is a bit disappointing, but it is driving all 4 wheels. So that energy and force has to come from somewhere. I came from a 2015 Corolla which has wicked efficneicy...something like 900km per tank all highway. Wild. Now, even at 5 litres more per tank (50 vs. 55) I have recently managed a max of 751km per tank which (if i have recalled correctly ) is 29MPG, with 60/40 HWY to City mileage. Also with brand new winter tires so the tread is ultry chunky. That's not amazing, but I wonder how a comparibly sized Subaru would compare? Side note: I am not doing that research lol. No complaints as far as yet, but will get a better reading on summer road trips with the summer tires back on. Traction is amazing...puts others to shame in the snow and wet.
My only real "complaint" is how much it pitches itself in harder cornering. The body seems to get easily upset, and the back end seems to follow at its convenience and hurls itself into play.
Engine sounds like a Merc F1 with the spanners rattling around inside making all sorts of racket, but hey...someone noted a super high thermal efficiency on our Camry engines, and Merc has done th same with their F1 engine progress so yay us!
 
#13 ·
I have a 2023 XSE AWD from November 2022. It's excellent, but yeah the fuel consumption is a bit disappointing, but it is driving all 4 wheels. So that energy and force has to come from somewhere. I came from a 2015 Corolla which has wicked efficneicy...something like 900km per tank all highway. Wild. Now, even at 5 litres more per tank (50 vs. 55) I have recently managed a max of 751km per tank which (if i have recalled correctly ) is 29MPG, with 60/40 HWY to City mileage. Also with brand new winter tires so the tread is ultry chunky. That's not amazing, but I wonder how a comparibly sized Subaru would compare? Side note: I am not doing that research lol. No complaints as far as yet, but will get a better reading on summer road trips with the summer tires back on. Traction is amazing...puts others to shame in the snow and wet.
My only real "complaint" is how much it pitches itself in harder cornering. The body seems to get easily upset, and the back end seems to follow at its convenience and hurls itself into play.
Engine sounds like a Merc F1 with the spanners rattling around inside making all sorts of racket, but hey...someone noted a super high thermal efficiency on our Camry engines, and Merc has done th same with their F1 engine progress so yay us!
Is your 2023 XSE AWD a 4 cylinder or a 6 cylinder?
I believe that a 4 cylinder XSE or XLE or SE or LE will not do any better than 29 MPG. The AWD system doesn’t work all the time when you drive the car. It doesn’t constantly turn all 4 wheels while you’re driving the car. It only works when the car determines wheel slippage in snow and ice. The AWD system engages only during these situations. The rest of the time while driving, only the front wheel drive is working. What I don’t understand is that if the AWD system in the 4 cylinder Camry engages and works only during wheel slippage in snow and ice, then why does the 4 cylinder AWD Camry only get an average of 29 MPG with 70%-$75 highway and 25%-30% city driving? The AWD system shouldn’t be the cause of the Camry getting only 29 MPG if the AWD system works only 10% to 20% of the time while driving. It should be getting at least over 35 to 36 MPG. There’s something wrong that’s not right for the 4 cylinder AWD Camry to only get an average of 29 MPG. Maybe someone in here that knows more about this problem can elaborate more on this.
 
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There have been times in Upstate NY and the Sierra (CA) where I needed chains on top of snow tires, usually when there was ice under snow. My father reported getting temporary benefit from a product one sprayed on tires, it might have been natural rubber which has good grip in cold. Has anyone had experience with "snow socks". Feel free to point me to a different thread.
 
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I believe that the weight gain for the AWD is no less than 100 to 150 pounds at the most. I don't know if this is true but I heard somewhere on YouTube that the reason why the AWD Camry gets less gas mileage economy is because the drive shaft on the vehicle is "constantly" and "always" turning no matter what when the car is in motion and being driven. The drive shaft doesn't engage the rear wheels while it's turning UNLESS there is wheel slippage. ONLY then does the drive shaft engage the rear wheels and turn ON the AWD system and turn the rear wheels.
I wonder whether the constant turning motion of the drive shaft while the car is being driven and in motion is the cause of the gas mileage to be less on the AWD Camry. I would think that 90% of the time that the AWD system is not engaged while driving and that it only engages itself 10% to 15% of the time in bad weather like in snow, ice and heavy rain. I don't understand how the AWD Camry can burn more gas and get less gas mileage if the AWD system engages itself only 10% to 15% of the time only during very bad weather and road conditions if the drive shaft is continiuosly turning while the car is being driven without the AWD system engaging. What's the cause of the lower MPG economy on the AWD Camry? It doesn't make sense that the MPG drops down just because the drive shaft is turning while the car is driven and in motion when the AWD system is not engaged. Back in the day during the 1970's when Toyota and Datsun (today's Nissan) made rear wheel drive cars like the Toyota Corolla and the Datsun B210 with drive shafts that constantly turned all the time when the cars was being driven and in motion, these cars all got between 35 MPG to 45 MPG all day long. Today's Toyotas are more advanced and more efficient than the ones that were built in the 1970's. I don't see why a drive shaft is the problem causing the AWD Camry to get lower MPGgas economy over the non AWD Camry without the drive shaft. It just doesn't make sense that a drive shaft that's constantly turning while the car is in motion and being driven will cause the car to burn more gas and drop the MPG fuel economy.
 
#29 ·
The best way to calculate the mpg fuel economy is to do it manually with pencil and paper or by calculator by dividing the total miles driven by the amount of fuel put into the gas tank. The mpg computer inside the car ONLY gives you the “at the moment” mpg fuel economy for each and every trip. It does NOT give the overall mpg average driven for the entire 14.4 gallon tank. That’s the reason why the mpg average fuel economy is much much lower than the fuel economy that shows on the mpg fuel economy computer on the dashboard. The mpg computer in the car is bs if it doesn’t show the overall mpg fuel economy for the total entire amount of gas used.
 
#31 ·
You're right. It's not good at all. My 2023 Camry SE AWD now has 8,025 original miles on it since I drove it off the Toyota dealership lot back in March of 2023. We get an average of between 29 mpg to 34 mpg which I don't consider as being very good mileage for a 4 cylinder AWD Toyota. We've gotten 35 mpg and up to 38 mpg but that's only if we drive 55 mph to 60 mph during a 25 to 30 mile trip. We usually drive 70 mph to 75 mph on thehighway and we obey whatever the speed limit is on all the other city driving roads.
I used to own a 2.2 liter 4 cylinder 1997 Camry CE with a 5 speed manual and it got 32 mpg all day long in the city and 36 mpg to 38 mpg all day long with highway driving. It also had an 18.5 gallon gas tank and I could easily get 650 miles on a full tank with combined city and highway driving. It was a VERY economical car on gas. Toyota does NOT make the Camry vehicles economical like this anymore. One has to buy a hybrid Camry to get this type of mileage with the sacrifice of having a smaller 14 gallon gas tank in order to make room for the hybrid batteries.
I wish that toyota would build the Camry with a much bigger capacity gas tank with at least a 17.5 gallon fuel capacity so it can go further on a full tank of gas. The current 14 gallon and 14.4 gallon gas tank on the hybrid and AWD Camrys have $hit fuel capacity. I'm NOT happy that Toyota reduced the fuel capacity in the hybrid and AWD Camry models. $hit $hit $hit. NOT happy at all about that.
 
#32 ·
I have a 2020 Camry XSE AWD with over 70k miles on it. It gets regular servicing and tire rotations, and it's been trouble-free. In mixed driving, I get around 24 mpg, highway-only around 34-35mpg.

I dumped the OEM tires with CrossClimate 2s over a year ago. They're noisy, but there's no hydroplaning or sliding in the rare Seattle snow like the OEMs.

Slightly off-topic: in the very unlikely event that I'd need to put auto socks on the car, would they just go on the front, as the manual states? I'm sure all four wheels would be best, but a pair of socks is $109.
 
#33 ·
We get between 30.5mpg to 34.5mpg on our 2023 SE AWD on the highway. I noticed that the ECO mode does NOT help the car get better mileage. We keep ours on NORMAL mode when driving. The 2.5 liter engines in our Camry cars should be getting on the average 36mpg to 38mpg all day long. They don't.
Also, Toyota needs to bring back the 18.5 US Gallon gas tank in the Camry just like the older 1997-2002 Camry.