Hello! New member here. I am the owner of a 2020 HL Platinum Hybrid (Blizzard White/Caramel). The car has the factory Goodyear Eagle Touring tires. These tires seem noisy at highway speeds, and appear to cause the car to wander around (which makes me wonder if that is why LTA is all over the road). Anyway I actually have a set of Michelin CrossClimate tires in my shopping cart at Discount Tire. Then before I finalized the order, I read a few reviews that noted a 10 to 20% loss in MPG with these tires, particularly in hybrid cars (not just Toyotas). So, before I commit to a $1k spend, can anyone confirm the MPG loss, and are the CrossClimate tires worth the upgrade for the HH. Thank you!
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Not sure this will help but when CR tested the CrossClimate+ - which the CrossClimate2 is based on - it rated rolling resistance as vey good which is one step below excellent in their five tier rating system.
Better still if you get some feedback from an actual user.
Better still if you get some feedback from an actual user.
Here's a very thorough thread about the CrossClimate2.
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Michelin CrossClimate 2 Review
The first place I drove after taking delivery of my Hybrid AWD was Discount Tire. I knew that my Highlander would not have Michelin tires so I planned to make my first stop there. I’ve been rolling on Michelin for the past 30 years now. I have depended on Michelin Pilot Sport variants on...
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I just put a set of these on my 20” wheels of my Honda Passport Platinum. I have seen no reduction in fuel mileage and find the the quietest tire I’ve ever owned. My new Highlander will be in early August and I plan on replacing the factory rubber with a set of these. $980 post rebate at Discount Tire.
The wondering stopped for me on the highway without LCA. LCA still does it slightly though so I just don’t use it anymore. This is with my Michelin defender ltx that was a huge upgrade over the oem tires.
Keep in mind if you go to a discount tire they will buy your oem tires up to $100 each depending miles and condition if you buy tires from them. They will match their website too if you show them the price from it. Sometimes beating it.
I just drove cross country (CA to FL) with new CrossClimate2 tires.
Compared to my OEM Bridgestone tires (30K miles):
Smoother ride
No increase in noise and may be quieter (but I did not want to believe it)
Similar MPG
I make that drive several times a year and will say that figuring out MPG with the Highlander has been difficult. There is almost always wind of some sort on the route and the Highlander is a big and tall vehicle. That is why I say “similar MPG”. I check my indicated MPG every time I fill up but I don’t keep a log.
The smoother ride adds just a touch of vagueness to the steering. Mostly just a learning curve thing. I had no issues through the Tehachapi mountains.
Fantastic traction in the few rainstorms I drove through. No snow experience yet.
My tires are OEM spec. Avionics12 tires were wider because the OEM size was not available then.
Compared to my OEM Bridgestone tires (30K miles):
Smoother ride
No increase in noise and may be quieter (but I did not want to believe it)
Similar MPG
I make that drive several times a year and will say that figuring out MPG with the Highlander has been difficult. There is almost always wind of some sort on the route and the Highlander is a big and tall vehicle. That is why I say “similar MPG”. I check my indicated MPG every time I fill up but I don’t keep a log.
The smoother ride adds just a touch of vagueness to the steering. Mostly just a learning curve thing. I had no issues through the Tehachapi mountains.
Fantastic traction in the few rainstorms I drove through. No snow experience yet.
My tires are OEM spec. Avionics12 tires were wider because the OEM size was not available then.
I have HyHy Plat, and have turned off Lane Tracing. Too much side- to-side squirm in the steering wheel going down a straight road. Add in the 2 troughs worn in the pavement by heavy trucks and the steering wheel shuffles from side to side as if a Poltergeist has grabbed the wheel. Also, since it is electric power steering, I figure turning off Lane Tracing reduces energy consumption and improves my fuel economy.
Here is an early report after 24 hours with the CC2 tires. I am happy with my purchase. My primary complaint with the factory tires (Goodyear) was directional stability. Now, the car actually wants to go straight ahead. I was actually surprised when I wanted to change lanes at 70 mph that it actually took some effort to get the car to change direction. I did not have Lane Tracing enabled, which is still useless. Maybe our lane striping here is just not good enough. Road noise is improved, like a more tolerable low hum at 70 MPH. Lastly, MPG, too early to tell but is promising. My overall MPG according to the meter was 33.9 when the CC2s were mounted. After about 35 miles of freeway and back roads I am at an even 34. If there any big changes or observations I will report back.
We have them on our 2011 Sienna FWD Ltd, and love them. Winter driving to Running Springs and Mountain High were uneventful and a nice change from having to put on cables! Quiet, but sensitive to tire pressure. 36PSI seems to work well for us, and MPG hasn't changed. Here's and article the also talks to this tire Long-term Test of Michelin CrossClimate2 All-Weather Tires - Initial Impressions
Yes, they decrease my MPG from 37 on highway to 33. I put them on my 2013 Hyundai Elantra tho.
Yeah. I'm leaning towards a set of Goodyear WeatherReady. I have them on my van and they are fantastic in snow, but there was no mileage hit. Have 38K miles on them and they are holding at 6/32". Very good wear.
Like the Michelin CrossClimates, they are spendy.
With my deductable, I figure one accident would pay for 2 1/2 sets of either tire.
Like the Michelin CrossClimates, they are spendy.
With my deductable, I figure one accident would pay for 2 1/2 sets of either tire.
My around town MPG went from 19 t0 16 MPG with new Crossclimate tires. Have not checked the highway mileage yet,\.
Costco sells Michelin CC2 tires at a good price, but they might need to order them. Costco also has a sale or instant rebate on Michelin tires every month or so.
Just had the CrossClimate 2's put on last week. I can attest that yes, your mileage will go down. Hopefully it improves but I am not confident it will. We put about 150 miles on them this past weekend traveling back and forth for my son's dek hockey tourney. They do ride nice but, I need to let some air out. NTB aired them up too high, so my mileage will likely get worse. They are rocking at 44 psi cold right now. Door frame states 36 psi. I may split the difference and go with 40 psi all around and see how the ride changes with that.
Had to make a move: current OEM Toyos were at 4/5 32nds and wife was afraid driving in mod. to heavy rain. Traction control was on constantly and she could feel them hydroplaning. Only 17750 miles on the OEMs. Junk.
Cost for NTB as $939 OTD. Called 3 places and couldn't get them (Sam's, Costco and local indy tire shop), was quoted $1,113 OTD at Flynn's tire and called NTB and their price was $1,230 OTD. I asked about their price matching and they came down to $950 over the phone so I made the appt. At the appt., checked in and the store manager checked me in and said he could do even better and got me down to $939 OTD. Sam's, even if they had them, wouldn't be able to get that low.
I just hope after the initial wear in my mileage improves but for now, the ride and handling is much improved and winter handling will be far and above better than what we had previously.
Had to make a move: current OEM Toyos were at 4/5 32nds and wife was afraid driving in mod. to heavy rain. Traction control was on constantly and she could feel them hydroplaning. Only 17750 miles on the OEMs. Junk.
Cost for NTB as $939 OTD. Called 3 places and couldn't get them (Sam's, Costco and local indy tire shop), was quoted $1,113 OTD at Flynn's tire and called NTB and their price was $1,230 OTD. I asked about their price matching and they came down to $950 over the phone so I made the appt. At the appt., checked in and the store manager checked me in and said he could do even better and got me down to $939 OTD. Sam's, even if they had them, wouldn't be able to get that low.
I just hope after the initial wear in my mileage improves but for now, the ride and handling is much improved and winter handling will be far and above better than what we had previously.
Weight of the tire has a drastic affect on MPG. The heavier the tire, the more energy it takes to spin them up. Energy in a car = more torque or HP needed to get to speed. And you know what that means...more gas needed to do so.
Even 1 pound per tire makes a HUGE difference...think centrifugal weight gain. If you lifted a 29 pound tire versus a 30 pound tire, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But your engine does when it's accelerating.
Here's a fun article to read and get all nerded out! FUN ARTICLE
Here's a fun article to read and get all nerded out! FUN ARTICLE
Something isn't adding up then and now I'm just as confused. It could be "claimed weight?" I could see going from an r18 up to an r20 would add weight. But if you're swapping an an r20 for an r20, that's apples to apples.
I had the dealer put on the V rated CC2's 18" before I picked the Highlander up. Can't compare fuel consumption to stock but I'm averaging around 21mpg mostly city driving. Not even at 1000 miles yet so may improve over time.
The CC2's ride really nice. My hopes are I can get away from having a dedicated winter tire and wheel setup and run the CC2 all year round.
The CC2's ride really nice. My hopes are I can get away from having a dedicated winter tire and wheel setup and run the CC2 all year round.
In short no, but long is complicated. However to really reduce any loss in the MPG you need to make sure your tires are at their proper pressures, having the PSI lower or higher than the recommended rate set by Toyota can lead to bad fuel eccomony.
The Goodyear Eagle tires on my 2022 aren't as noisy as the 2020's.
The Goodyear Eagle tires on my 2022 aren't as noisy as the 2020's.
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