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Fill Tires with Nitrogen instead of air?

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#1 · (Edited)
Figured this was a good time to begin this thread since I have not seen it before. I just had to do replacement on a tire that I curbed:headbang:
Luckily I did not break or scratch the rim!

The Tire shop suggested Nitrogen for all the tires...Who here uses Nitrogen in their tires...Is it worth the $32 for the 4?
 
#2 · (Edited)
no

only benifit you would get, and this is just theory, is that you would not loose air pressure over long period of time. supposedly nitrogen molecules cannot excape through the tire, and it has less moisture than air so it will never evaporate. i think ill check my tires every once in awhile and fill them if nessissary. besides what are you going to do if one of your tires does get low, either pay out the but to fill it or fill it with air and ruin your nitrogen mix. and just so you know air is like 70 something percent nitrogen anyway.
 
#6 ·
Consumer Reports did a study which showed no significant gains with the use of Nitrogen. Tire pressure loss was with-in 1-2 psi between regular air and nitrogen. Nitrogen is use on aircraft because of the extreme temperature changes and also nitrogen is an inert gas that will not support combustion (won't feed a wheel/brake fire). Save that money and use it on something of greater enjoyment.
 
#10 · (Edited)
Figured this would bring out a ton of opinions



Figured there would be a mixture of responses. I live in a climate where it can be 100+ in the summer and 10F in winter. When you are in the spot I was in today, it figures "what's another $32".....Guess I fell for the marketing. It was the claim that there is slower loss with the Nitrogen, slightly better mileage etc..... This tire shop has been around for a loooog time and I trusted them and they have never done me wrong (yet)...who knows. I am sure the markup is huge!

I will say that if I had to pay for top offs...it would have been a NO.

All the car dealers and tire dealers have been pushing the Nitrogen...More $$ for them

Worst part is I have a nice compressor in the garage. If you read the net and google...there are claims and counterclaims...Since the dealer is so close to my house, let him check and fill anytime at N/C...paid for my stupidity (maybe) already!

Hey, I was smart enough to check the manufacture date code anyway!:thumbsup:
 
#12 · (Edited)
It does help with mpgs, but only if you are the type to not pay attention to your psi levels. IE, if you do regular maintanence meaning you monitor your tires--- has no affect on your mpgs.

It's a gimmick like Shell gas is trying to do with their Nitrogen in the gasoline thing.

The technical of nitrogen is that N2 is a larger molecule than O2 or the other molecules which comprise of room air. Someone has already said it, the air we breathe is already 70 or so percent N2. N2 being a larger molecule--- it doesn't leak out of the crevasses of the tires as much or ever.
 
#15 · (Edited)
Well, so far it looks like I just burned $32 from the comments here. Oh well, could have been worse, Toyota gets $425 for the Alloy rim that remained undamaged. Now that's real $$

Figured this thread would get a lot of responses! :lol:

As an afterthought, I do not really feel so bad when I read threads here about some of the Mods done to what is supposed to be an economy car. No insult to anyone.

I used to mod my Mini Cooper and got very little ummph from catbacks, K&N filters, CAI's etc. The best mod I ever did was taking apart the supercharger and cleaning the crap out of it.....Done by me for free!
 
#17 ·
Pretty much. Yeah, you wasted $32 on something that may or may not help. In the long run, not a big deal. Like you said, at least you didn't spend $200 on a CAI that does virtually nothing, as opposed to N2 which MAY (but probably not) help. ;)
 
#16 ·
Check this out

Is it better to fill your tires with nitrogen instead of air?

February 16, 2007
Dear Cecil:
I caught a segment on some car show about modding up your car. One of the things they mentioned was the benefit of filling your tires with nitrogen instead of air. Considering I fill my tires with air and don't have much of a problem constantly refilling them, what is the straight dope on nitrogen in car tires?
— Dave from Massachusetts
Oh, there are plenty of benefits: (1) Cool fluorescent green valve stem caps (assuming your nitrogen vendor has any marketing savvy), which will look sharp with your spinning wheel covers. (2) Bragging rights. OK, you were behind the curve with cell phones, iPods, thong underwear, etc. Nitrogen in tires is relatively new to the mass market. Now's your chance. (3) Reduced fire danger next time you land your space shuttle or commercial aircraft, and tell me you won't sleep better knowing that.
Most tires are filled with compressed air, which when dry consists of about 78 percent nitrogen, 21 percent oxygen, and 1 percent other gases by volume. Water vapor (humidity) can make up as much as 5 percent of the volume of air under worst-case conditions. Filling your tires with nitrogen mainly does two things: it eliminates moisture, and it replaces skinny oxygen molecules with fat nitrogen molecules, reducing the rate at which compressed gas diffuses through porous tire walls. That means, theoretically at least, that a tire filled with nitrogen retains optimal pressure longer, leading to more uniform tire wear and better gas mileage. The commonly quoted figure is that tires inflated to 32 psi get 3 percent better mileage than at 24 psi.
Does nitrogen make any practical difference? You couldn't prove it by me. I found no scientific tests showing that nitrogen-filled tires stayed inflated longer than average under normal conditions. A car-buff buddy was sure it worked but conceded he had only anecdotal evidence that it did.
As for moisture, changes in humidity affect tire performance two ways. First, the density of humid air fluctuates more with temperature than that of dry air, so removing humidity can keep your tire pressure more consistent, especially when the temperature climbs over 100 degrees Fahrenheit. That may be a legitimate concern in Formula One racing, but it's not much of an issue if you're just tooling around town.
Humidity can also be a factor in wheel maintenance - since pure nitrogen doesn't have moisture in it, supposedly your wheels won't rust as quickly, which could lead to improved wheel performance and air sealing. The question is, how big a problem is wheel rust these days? According to a few tire and wheel shops we contacted, not very. Seriously rusted wheels are uncommon in typical steel-wheeled cars, and many high-performance cars have alloy wheels that don't rust at all. One exception is work vehicles such as dump trucks, which are exposed to a much harsher environment.
Another claim I've seen is that since nitrogen is slightly lighter than air, you'll save weight and get better performance. However, we're talking about a weight difference of less than 4 percent of the gas in the tire - in other words, a difference of less than an ounce for most vehicles. A possibly more realistic benefit is that nitrogen is largely inert chemically at low (i.e., normal) temperatures, so it won't attack the rubber in your tires like oxygen does. Oxygen attack is something both the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and Ford Research have studied, and can be a problem for tires used for a long time or in rough conditions.
More important, nitrogen doesn't support combustion, which is one reason aircraft and the space shuttle use nitrogen in their tires. The wisdom of this precaution was brought home by the crash of Mexicana Airlines flight 940 on March 31, 1986. Shortly after the Boeing 727 took off from Mexico City en route to Puerto Vallarta, an overheated landing-gear brake caused a tire improperly filled with air instead of nitrogen to overheat as well and explode, rupturing fuel and hydraulic lines. The ensuing fire and crash killed 167 passengers and crew. However, unless your driving habits are of the X-treme variety, the chances of your tires catching fire anytime soon are slim.
Overall, filling up with nitrogen won't hurt and may provide some minimal benefit. Is it worth it? If you go to some place like Costco that does it for free with new tires, sure, why not? Elsewhere, though, I've seen prices quoted as high as $10 per tire, which is way more than I'd pay. Rather than shell out for nitrogen, you'd be better off just checking and adjusting your tire pressure regularly, something the NHTSA says less than 60 percent of U.S. motorists actually do.
— Cecil Adams
 
#20 ·
Is it better to fill your tires with nitrogen instead of air?

Filling your tires with nitrogen mainly does two things: it eliminates moisture, and it replaces skinny oxygen molecules with fat nitrogen molecules, reducing the rate at which compressed gas diffuses through porous tire walls. That means, theoretically at least, that a tire filled with nitrogen retains optimal pressure longer, leading to more uniform tire wear and better gas mileage. The commonly quoted figure is that tires inflated to 32 psi get 3 percent better mileage than at 24 psi.

Does nitrogen make any practical difference? You couldn't prove it by me. I found no scientific tests showing that nitrogen-filled tires stayed inflated longer than average under normal conditions. A car-buff buddy was sure it worked but conceded he had only anecdotal evidence that it did.

As for moisture, changes in humidity affect tire performance two ways. First, the density of humid air fluctuates more with temperature than that of dry air, so removing humidity can keep your tire pressure more consistent, especially when the temperature climbs over 100 degrees Fahrenheit. That may be a legitimate concern in Formula One racing, but it's not much of an issue if you're just tooling around town.
— Cecil Adams
I was going to comment on this before you posted that excellent article up, if you think about it, the theory behind is quite simple. Nitrogen would make more sense in a competitive auto-x or track day racing that your tire pressures stay more consistent, therefore leading to less pit stops and more time on the circuit.

Most of us use our cars to commute anyways so checking tire pressures once or twice a month is usually sufficient. The best advice I would offer is spend some money on an air compressor and digital tire pressure gauge and adjust your pressures as needed.
 
#22 ·
Does any one here ever google anything? :headbang:

http://ezinearticles.com/?Selling-Nitrogen-In-Tires---Is-It-All-A-Lot-Of-Hot-Air?&id=38142

http://www.straightdope.com/columns.../columns/read/2694/is-it-better-to-fill-your-tires-with-nitrogen-instead-of-air

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question594.htm

I have used it for a few years in all of my cars but I never paid for it. The place I buy all of my tires installs the nitrogen schrader valves and fills them for free when I buy new tires.

I figure it adds at least 7HP to a car :rofl: