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Gray substance on wheel studs?

1.9K views 14 replies 6 participants last post by  Old Mechanic  
#1 ·
Is it normal to have a gray substance on the wheel studs? When I took off a wheel, I noticed some substance there and also between the face of the rotor and the wheel, where it could possibly make some sense.

Hopefully it's not grease, but even anti-seize seems strange/uncomfortable to me on wheel studs. It does make the lug nuts go on easily... but I hope they don't come off too easily. I imagine it could alter the friction at the given torque specs. As far as I know, there isn't supposed to be anything on wheel studs, but I'm no mechanic.

Has anyone noticed anything similar on your Venzas?
 
#3 ·
I wish I took a picture. It is definitely an intentionally applied product, on the wheel studs and wheel mating surface, not salt or debris. It feels smooth and makes the nuts slide on easily.

If I found it anywhere else I would think it is a lubricant or anti-seize.

Just based on the misunderstanding, I take it this is not typical...
 
#5 ·
That doesn't sound good. Seems that could result in overtorquing the lug nuts and stretching the bolts.

I don't presume to know better than the manufacturer's engineers, so I think I will try cleaning off the substance the next time.

 
#6 ·
If it is coarse/bright metal shavings on the lugs then it’s probably the metal lug/nut from overtorquing but that will only show on the lugs only.

If you see anything on the part of the rotors and the wheel where the two meet, that won’t be from overtorquing. If there is something on that surface, that’s either rust, corrosion or anti seize.

I live in Canada and change my own tires between all season and winter tires. I use torque wrench and don’t use anti seize. I just take wheels off and use circular wire brush attached to a drill and clean the two surfaces (usually after the winter). That’s all I do and put the wheels on.


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#8 ·
Oh, great... I hope replacing the studs and nuts isn't necessary. Sounds expensive. Though I'm reading that removing anti-seize is not easy. I might try getting as much of it off as possible with paper towels, then maybe using alcohol or some solvent.

Interestingly/frustratingly, we had the vehicle "inspected" by a Toyota dealer before purchasing, and there was not even a comment about this. One would think the dealer would stick to manufacturer requirements. One surprise after another.
 
#10 ·
we had the vehicle "inspected" by a Toyota dealer before purchasing, and there was not even a comment about this.
Their inspections are laughable, do you hire a fox to check the security of the hen house? Once looked at a car that had undergone a 207 point inspection (WoW, 207)....but they missed the white corrosion around both battery terminals.
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#9 ·
You can use a toothbrush or wirebrush and brake parts cleaner on the studs. Use some cotton swabs on the nuts and clean off any remaining lint.

My concern for replacement was precisely the possible over torqueing of the hardware and the potential for failure afterwards. In the US each (Dorman) stud is about USD$2 and DIY-able.

An example:
 
#14 ·
Seems like this is another issue with varying opinions. When I brought it up, the mechanic working on the car wasn't at all concerned about anti-seize. (He didn't apply the stuff.)

I still prefer to stick to official specs but at least I'll worry less in the meantime.