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Highlanders with Stop / Start, techstream says battery type can be change in engine ECM ?

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I have been following all the thread here regarding the expensive EFB battery, to the point where I purchase a BatteryMinder last year and make sure keep it connected to the battery at lease for 24 hours once a week in the hope I can extend the life of the battery. From what I understand the Highlander control system like to keep the battery undercharged to meat fuel efficiency number at the expense of battery life. All lead acid batteries should be kept a near fully charged state when at rest in ideal conditions.

I know that on other cars the battery management system allows for different battery types.

This week I purchased a 2 day techstream standard account and looked this up on the online Toyota TIS system.

In the repair manual , TOYOTA 2014-2019 Highlander Repair Manual (RM3150U)
under the title : Title: STOP AND START: STOP AND START SYSTEM: REGISTRATION; 2017 - 2019

8. SWITCH BATTERY TYPE
NOTICE:
When the ECM is replaced on a vehicle with a non-specified battery, it is necessary to perform battery type
switching.
(a) Check whether the battery is specified or not specified.
(b) Connect the Techstream to the DLC3.
(c) Turn the ignition switch to ON.
HINT:
Do not start the engine.
(d) Turn the Techstream on.
(e) Enter the following menus: Powertrain / Engine / Data List / Battery Type.
Powertrain > Engine > Data List

HINT:
Check the battery type (Specified/Other) stored by the ECM.
(f) If the battery installed does not match the battery stored by the ECM, switch to the battery type for the
installed battery.
(1) Enter the following menus: Powertrain / Engine / Utility / Switch Battery Type.
Powertrain > Engine > Utility

I also managed to get a working copy of Techstream and connected it our 2019 Highlander with Stop / Start and the followed the process to see work, I hit cancel at the last screen as I did not want to change the battery type.
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The switch type just offers two choices : specified battery or other battery

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I find it intriguing that I have not seen this setting mentioned on any of the threads on the topic of EFB to AGM \ battery swap. One would have to monitor the batteries charging behavior to get a baseline then switch to Other battery and see if the charging profile changes ?

Edit : I found the answer the questions about the different battery type here.

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So it's clear we can use other battery types than - EFB battery without getting Stop and start malfunctions.

This is information is all found on the Toyota online documentation why can't the dealers technical staff just explain this and offer to change the battery type ?

Other interesting page in the stop start system explain the battery charging goals :
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I have been following all the thread here regarding the expensive EFB battery, to the point where I purchase a BatteryMinder last year and make sure keep it connected to the battery at lease for 24 hours once a week in the hope I can extend the life of the battery. From what I understand the Highlander control system like to keep the battery undercharged to meat fuel efficiency number at the expense of battery life. All lead acid batteries should be kept a near fully charged state when at rest in ideal conditions.

I know that on other cars the battery management system allows for different battery types.

This week I purchased a 2 day techstream standard account and looked this up on the online Toyota TIS system.

In the repair manual , TOYOTA 2014-2019 Highlander Repair Manual (RM3150U)
under the title : Title: STOP AND START: STOP AND START SYSTEM: REGISTRATION; 2017 - 2019

8. SWITCH BATTERY TYPE
NOTICE:
When the ECM is replaced on a vehicle with a non-specified battery, it is necessary to perform battery type
switching.
(a) Check whether the battery is specified or not specified.
(b) Connect the Techstream to the DLC3.
(c) Turn the ignition switch to ON.
HINT:
Do not start the engine.
(d) Turn the Techstream on.
(e) Enter the following menus: Powertrain / Engine / Data List / Battery Type.
Powertrain > Engine > Data List

HINT:
Check the battery type (Specified/Other) stored by the ECM.
(f) If the battery installed does not match the battery stored by the ECM, switch to the battery type for the
installed battery.
(1) Enter the following menus: Powertrain / Engine / Utility / Switch Battery Type.
Powertrain > Engine > Utility

I also managed to get a working copy of Techstream and connected it our 2019 Highlander with Stop / Start and the followed the process to see work, I hit cancel at the last screen as I did not want to change the battery type.
Image


The switch type just offers two choices : specified battery or other battery

Image


I find it intriguing that I have not seen this setting mentioned on any of the threads on the topic of EFB to AGM \ battery swap. One would have to monitor the batteries charging behavior to get a baseline then switch to Other battery and see if the charging profile changes ?

Edit : I found the answer the questions about the different battery type here.

Image


So it's clear we can use other battery types than - EFB battery without getting Stop and start malfunctions.

This is information is all found on the Toyota online documentation why can't the dealers technical staff just explain this and offer to change the battery type ?

Other interesting page in the stop start system explain the battery charging goals :
Image
Does the EPA actually approve "configurations", or do they regulate what comes out of the tailpipe?
Thank you, Naimc, for researching this subject. My 2017 XLE battery was replaced by the dealership 2 days before the 3 year warranty expired. If it fails again, I'll be looking at a Walmart AGM battery at less than half the cost of the Toyota battery. I'll be sure to use your post when the service advisor mentions the non OEM battery
 
One more thing to add.
I only by batts.from Costco as its a fastest process for returns.
Once I had to hang around a Walmart for 2 hours to return a dead batt.They insisted on testing my dead battery 1 year old before replacing it.(to test it they attempted to charge it up)
The Costco USA website battery finder link only shows Interstate batteries....no mention of an Energizer AGM. The Interstate AGM battery (24F) is listed for $160.