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Is a 'No Discount' policy for the new 2015 Camry pretty standard everywhere?

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#1 ·
My local Toyota dealer tells me that the new 2015 Camry will start arriving at dealerships in late September/early October. He said they are expecting sales to be very brisk. He also tells me that whether I pre-order a 2015 Camry prior to inventory arriving, or choose one from the inventory plan, that no discount off MSRP price will be given for at least a couple of months, which puts the time for any discount likely to be in December.

Even after the 2015 Camry has been available a few months, if sales are still strong I have to assume any discount will be somewhat minimal...whereas in comparison Toyota is discounting the 2014 and 2014.5 Camry $2,000 plus offering $500-$2,000 cash back on selected models. Bottom line - to get a 2015 Camry in the first couple of months will cost ~$2,500-$4,000 compared to waiting [say] 6 months until late next winter or early spring. Then, one has to consider whether in another six months or so the 2016 model Camry will be the beginning year for the 8th Generation...I'm guessing probably the 2017 model will be the 8th Gen...

Is this 'No Discount' policy pretty much standard operating procedure at dealerships everywhere? Has anyone else checked their local Toyota dealerships to see when they will start discounting the 2015 Camry?
 
#2 ·
I would say so. It usually comes when there is a new model. Nobody wants the old style so dealers discount the stock they have. The new ones are what everybody wants and will buy, so there is no need to have them discounted.

I bought my 2012 SE 2-3 months after they were released. My dealer said that if I wanted a 2011 they would give me 6-7k off but they wouldn't discount the new 2012's at all.
 
#3 ·
First of all, new model- no discounts- "standard" policy all over the world.
Second, back in Nov of 2011, even though Gen 7 was on sale for 2 months, most of the dealers were offering 2K off. I got my LE from McKinney for almost 4+K off.
There is one, old as a world, universal truth: never trust a sales man. :)
Shop around and unless you are absolutely desperate, wait at least few months and buy with discount.
 
#15 · (Edited)
I am interested in a 2015 XLE V6 Loaded.
Not sure where you're coming from! If you are calling the salesperson that told me no discount for a couple months a 'chump', then I suspect you could call all Toyota sales people a 'chump', because it appears most all dealerships nationwide won't discount a new model year that will be in strong demand for a couple of months. At least he was upfront about it...
We all know that it is better to buy a 2015 model year in 2015. that being said if you told that selsperson you wanted to buy a 2015 XLE fully loaded when they came out and he told you that you would have to pay MSRP then he is a chump! typical sales creature!

I am going to guess the MSRP of a fully loaded 2015 xle is going to be about 38k
 
#16 ·
There is no "policy" as in a written rule, but typically car sales follow supply and demand as others have mentioned in this thread.

If the demand is high, there is no reason for a dealership to offer discounts. Once demand starts dropping, the dealership will adjust their sales tactics to include price drops and/or discounts, but they would still sell a car at MSRP to someone willing to pay it even while at the same time selling an identical car to someone else at a discount because that other person refuses to pay MSRP just to meet their sales goal.

This is why a lot of people hating shopping for a car. There is not an easy "one price" that everyone pays, and never believe a dealership that says they can't haggle. There is always something you can haggle, even if it is not a price drop or discount, there are other ways to make a better deal.
 
#25 · (Edited)
I spoke with Sean O'Connor (New Car Sales Manager) at Pat Lobb's Toyota of McKinney today. I asked him if his dealership will be discounting the new 2015 Camry when they become available for sale in September/October. He said; "Don't count on that happening." "We don't even have pricing yet. I don't look for the [profit] margin structure to change, so I don't see the normal mid-year type discount happening for a while." He went on to say; "Are you currently a customer of ours?" In which I responded; "No". He said; "Well, come on in when the 2015s arrive and maybe we can work out a little something for you, but it won't be anything close to what we can do after the 2015s have been out a while".


So, Toyota of McKinney told me what Toyota of Plano told me. Could I get either dealership to knock off $500 - probably. Could either dealership hide a little discount in a trade-in - certainly they could. But, the bottom line is - they both told me the same thing - NO DISCOUNT will be available for a while. Not sure why some of you are acting like some dealerships would be willing to give typical mid-year discounts right away for the new Camry, and others not. I don't think any Toyota dealership will be discounting the new 2015 Camry for 2-3 months... I'm okay with that. I certainly don't need the 2015 Camry as soon as they hit the streets. I can wait 3 months, 6 months or whatever. I might wait for the 8th Generation Camry, or change my mind and get something else. Anyway, have fun with your lil' back-n-forth...
 
#26 ·
I love car sales people. They make me giggle. Do me a favor and go to edmunds and build the 2014 Camry to the closest specs to what you think the 2015 will be. Then tell me what the MSRP says. you siad you wanted the XLE loaded. I could build one that is over 40k. is that what you mean by loaded?
 
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Is this 'No Discount' policy pretty much standard operating procedure at dealerships everywhere? Has anyone else checked their local Toyota dealerships to see when they will start discounting the 2015 Camry?
Vibe -You act as though you are the only one who knows how to buy a car. I've bought many dozens of cars in my lifetime over many decades. Trust me - I know how the game is played. But thanks anyway...maybe somebody else can use your self-prescribed knowledge and expertise.
Kooter. did you see your first post? You asked us a question. We answered it. It was not what you wanted to hear. Stop crying. I don't care what you do with your cars. I was trying to help. Maybe you are really smart or you are affiliated with one of the dealers you mentioned and you were trying to get some sucker to go down there and over pay for a new hyped up car. No one was buying your shtick. grow up!
 
#32 ·
Thanks! We'll see what Toyota of Plano offers when the time comes. They've provided very good service for me over the 7 years I've dealt with them. And they're just 4-5 miles from me, so they're convenient for me.
Toyota of Plano Rated #1 in DFW Metroplex with population of over 6 million people.

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Sure does sound like someone humping "their dealership"!

I am sure we will all run down there and get in line to overpay for some some dopey Camry! yikes!
 
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#46 ·
2015 Toyota Camry Launches Less than in 30 Days

http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2015-toyota-camry-launches-in-30-days.html
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Just the Facts:

  • Toyota's U.S. dealers are prepping for the launch of the revised 2015 Toyota Camry midsize sedan in 30 days and are planning to spend $1 billion this year to upgrade their facilities, according to Robert Carter, senior vice president of Toyota's U.S. automotive operations.
  • Carter, speaking to the J.P. Morgan Auto Conference on Tuesday, said dealers plan to target current and former Camry owners in the launch of the 2015 model.
  • Toyota's future-product direction will focus on "design, fun-to-drive and killer interiors," Carter said.
NEW YORK — Toyota's U.S. dealers are prepping for the launch of the revised 2015 Toyota Camry midsize sedan in 30 days and are planning to spend $1 billion this year to upgrade their facilities, according to Robert Carter, senior vice president of Toyota's U.S. automotive operations.

Carter, speaking to the J.P. Morgan Auto Conference on Tuesday, said dealers plan to target current and former Camry owners in the launch of the 2015 model.

"We're launching this new Camry in 30 days," Carter said. "We've sold 10 million since 1983. We want to communicate with (those customers) first."

Pricing has not been announced on the 2015 Camry. The upgraded Camry was unveiled at the 2014 New York Auto Show.

"This is a mega change to Camry and the most expensive mid-cycle change in our company's history," Carter said. "We are fully committed to keeping Camry No. 1 for a long time to come."

The Camry competes in a crowded segment that includes the 2015 Ford Fusion, Honda Accord, Hyundai Sonata and Mazda 6.

Carter hinted at Toyota's future product direction in his remarks, noting: "The next chapter in Toyota's history will focus on design, fun-to-drive and killer interiors."

While not giving away any information about the future Toyota Prius, Carter said the "Prius is a little bit late in its life cycle. Stay tuned. It's a core volume sale for us and we're confident it will come back."

Carter had lots of praise for the automaker's U.S. dealers.

"We are blessed with an outstanding dealer network that's getting better every day," he said. "They develop long-term relationships with our customers."

In the past 10 years, Toyota and Lexus dealers have spent $8.1 billion to expand and upgrade their U.S. dealerships. Carter said they are projected to spend $1 billion this year alone on improvements.

"Our dealers give us a huge vote of confidence in Toyota's future," he said.

Toyota dealers are also pressing the automaker to bring the Toyota i-Road to the U.S. The i-Road is a cross between a motorcycle and a car and is designed for crowded city centers.

"I took a group of dealers to our engineering center," Carter said. "We hopped in the i-Road and took a little tour. They said, 'I need one. I want one today.' (But) We're not quite ready to bring it to market yet."

Edmunds says: If you're shopping for a midsize family sedan, the heavily revised Camry that goes on sale in September might be worth waiting for.
 
#48 ·
We were driving by Hyundai dealership and stopped to take a look on 15's Sonata.
I have not driven it, but here is my initial impression about $25K 2.4 sport: body gaps, bumper sturdiness, body panels alignment worth of luxury cars. Even gap bettwen the headlight and fenders/bumper and gap between the hood and bumper have nice weather seals.
Over all exterior looks great ( I like it much better than 15's Camry exterior) and assembly quality is just perfect.
The interior though, has left a mixed impression: materials are good, much much better vs previous Sonata, but there are a few "cheap" spots and if you press on dash/ door carts/ stereo/HVAC panes flex/move and make a lot of creaking sounds.
I also didn't like "cheap BMW" dash design and audio/hvac looks pretty weird, dated and cheap.
The fabric on the seats is screamingly cheap and seats felt shallow and not supportive enough for my royal ars. :)
 
#50 ·
The interior though, has left a mixed impression: materials are good, much much better vs previous Sonata, but there are a few "cheap" spots and if you press on dash/ door carts/ stereo/HVAC panes flex/move and make a lot of creaking sounds.
I also didn't like "cheap BMW" dash design and audio/hvac looks pretty weird, dated and cheap.
The fabric on the seats is screamingly cheap and seats felt shallow and not supportive enough for my royal ars. :)
I rented a base model 2015 Sonata from Hertz that had only 300 miles on it and put 800 miles on the car in 3 days. I was tremendously impressed. Unlike any other car in its class the base model 2015 Sonata has a truly luxuriously smooth, serene and quiet ride - about like a 2012 Lexus ES350 (toyota ruined the ride of the 2013 on up ES350). The dash gauges and door panels look like they belong on an expensive car. The seat bottoms are larger and more supportive than the 2012 on up Camry so less fatigue on long trips. The air conditioner fan is far more powerful than the Camry's and the air is frigidly cold whereas Camry's air is only about 40 degrees cold. The dash design is refreshingly simple and intuitive - no tonka toy feel to the knobs like on the Camry. Not much dry, hard texture plastic that is so pervasive on the newer Toyotas. No thin cardboard headliner. No felt thin carpeting. The only fairly minor negative was a bit of a cheap look and feel to the fabric on the base model Sonata. The Limited model should fix that. Given the durability problems with the 2012 on up Camry engines and transmissions, I see no compelling advantage to choose a Camry over a Sonata from a mechanical standpoint either.
 
#49 ·
I think Toyota should keep the 2012-2014 body style and just name it something else--Camry Solara (I know not good with naming, but u get the idea) and the 2015+ Camry's will just be Camry.

Bottom line is that I see a market for both body styles. It's not like the 2014 is dated--it's actually very nice, although it took me awhile to get used to.

I know not gonna happen.
 
#53 ·
I never liked 2002-2006 body style, but driven plenty of them and have owned 2000 and 2001 LE. Gen 7 has some pretty cheap interior elements (no questions here), but over all it feels much nicer and much more comfortable than Gen 4 and 5 to me. They sure trying to save here and there (same as any other brand), but in the end Toyota still puts on the market very nice and competitive product.
 
#56 ·
I'm hoping to see the new 2015 Camry at the State Fair of Texas Auto Show. With more than 400,000 square feet of indoor and outdoor exhibit space, the State Fair of Texas Auto Show presents the latest models from the world’s largest manufacturers. Year after year, automotive companies choose the State Fair as one of the top locations to unveil new makes and designs to the public. The State Fair of Texas runs from September 26th through October 19th.
 
#59 ·
I'll tell you guys a secret... One nationally known dealer will offer least 800-1000 less than any other dealer in the nation. The two Toyota dealer Carmax locations. I paid close to 2000 less for my 2012 Camry back in 2012 when other Milwaukee dealers were selling same SE Camrys with I4 for $27-28k.

Whoever is determined to save on a '15 Camry...maybe you should drive out to Maryland or Wisconsin to one of those Carmax locations and buy it through them. I've seen it happen before when I was getting service done few years ago when the Wisconsin location was also selling Chevys- a older couple from Virginia drove in their trade in and bought brand new Tahoe for $5k less then drove it back home
 
#62 ·
The old riddle is - How can you tell when an auto salesman is lying? Answer - His lips are moving!

Only chumps or those who are desperate buy a car in the first month after introduction. Do your homework. The goal is to pay $100 to $200 over INVOICE price. Lots of sites show that number. If you are a Costco member, they will send you to a dealer that will quote that price. Even if you're not a Costco member tell the dealer you visit that you are and ask if they are competitive with dealers who work with Costco. Take a page from the auto salesman's handbook - give them fictitious quotes from other dealers. Even though buying a new car is a seriously large purchase, you have to treat it like a game (liars poker comes to mind) Of course, if you live in a small sales area with one dealer, all bets are off. Consider going a few miles to a larger sales area and buying the car. Your local dealer would be more than happy to service your new car.

That is the essence of 60 years of car buying experience.