MXV 215-55-17. you will have a quieter ride and better mpg.

 

You consider Michelin Defender? They are a 90K mile rated tire and cheaper. Winter traction not as good as the 2 you mentioned but may not be an issue in your area. Speed rating is less at 118MPH.
I paid $138 each at BJ's for my Camry.

 

They don't have it for the 17 rims for costco

 

For the same money you can get a set of Pirelli P7+. I had both and IMO considering the dry, wet and snow traction, quietness and wear the Primacy MXV4 are just some average overpriced and greatly over rated tires compared to the P'7's.

 

My 4 yr. old SE's MXV4 tires finally reached 30k miles last week after the trip to Vegas, a quick check show I may need new tires at 40k. This is not the first time I heard Michelin is overpriced & over-rated tires, I'll look into the P7 and other equivalent tires in the next 12 months.

 

I just bought some Michelin premiers for my 2000 Camry. The first thing I noticed as how quiet the car is and the steering feel became super light compared to the old cheap discount brand tires. So far they have been great tires in wet and dry. I get to test them in the snow Monday so we will see how they do in that.

 

Happy so far w/Premiers

I went from Primarcy to Premiers 15 mons and ~18k miles ago on my 2012 XLE.
So far happy with the Premiers, very little wear (I was concerned they started @8.5/32s but their siping goes all the way to the base, other tires did not). They are quiet, good dry/wet traction & cornering. Snow traction maybe a B- but no worse than the Primacy - I also own a Jeep so days like this where we got our first real snow of the season the Camry stays home. In my XLE 17" size Defenders were >$20/tire MORE than Premiers. I got mine @ the Toyo dealer that price matched Discount Tire, they were OK with Pirellis but would have had to special order them. Interesting that they said Primacy was no longer available 15 mons ago but I saw them on a new Camry couple mons back and you are pricing them, go figure!

BTW there are other threads on this Camry forum with similar discussions, suggest you do a search.

 

Tire wear has a lot to do with your driving. My factory Bridgestone's lasted almost 50K. My BJ's Michelin's on my previous car had 100K and were about 50% worn. 75% of my driving is highway. A person doing a lot city driving will get no where near this mileage.

 

Finally got to drive in the snow/ice the last two days here with my Michelin Premiers. Best tire I have owned so far for snow/wet traction. Well worth the money!

 

When and where did you find snow and ice in DFW? I was in F.Worth, Irving, Addison, Dallas and McKinney yesterday and today and haven't seen any snow. As far as I know we barely went below freezing point last night and got back into high 40's by noon...

 

My small contribution:

Out of eight Michelin tires all made in Mexico, five were out of round with obvious tread defects. They were all Defenders. Then my tire dealer ordered Premiers, made in Canada, which had much better roundness, nearly perfect on three of them.

I have a new set of Energy Savers on another car, which also have good roundness but can't remember where they were made right now, except I know they weren't made in Mexico.

I've seen complaints in other forums about Michelin's Mexico plant.

Tire Rack won't let you specify a country of origin for tires.

YMMV

 

Also Energy Saver tires are TERRIBLE in ice and snow. Fine in dry, OK but not great in wet.

 

I had 2 identical LE's, one on Primacy MXV4 and other one on Energy Saver A/S and IMO the Saver A/S was as quiet as Primacy, but had better wet and much better snow and patched ice traction.

 

I have a 2012 XLE that came with MXV4. I replaced them 15 months ago with Premier. I am also very sensitive to ride variations and can easily notice different quality of ride on any car. I have purchased many sets of Michelin tires in the past for various vehicles and have always like Michelin . I have also had other various brands, some good, some bad. My goal was always the best quality ride and performance.


I will give you an unbiased review of both tires on my 2012. My 2012 is in mint condition with only 40K. Completely Toyota services and no issues. Perfect alignment. Tires were road balanced.


MXV4 Tires: Came on car. Replaced at 28K. Worn when replaced. Never had to be balanced the entire life. Rotated at 5K
* Very quiet entire life
* very smooth ride entire life.
* Only average in rain and snow when new. Slippery in dry, when worn.
* Great MPG.


Premier: Had to have 1st set replaced at 1K, because they would not balance out. I have 11K on these now, and they required 3 balancing's to get acceptable. Still look new. Rotate at 5K.
* Noticeably noisier tire pattern when new, a little quieter now, but still not as quiet as MXV4.
* An unsettled ride when new. A little better now, but still not up to MXV4 spec.
* Excellent in rain and snow ( for all season). Excellent stopping, never slip. A great performance tire.
* Lost 2-3 mpg from day 1. Have never been able too reach my past mpg, under any condition, from 1st day.


My next set will be Pirelli.

 

I agree on the Pirelli.

Michelin quality control has taken a huge dive in the past few years and I'm tired of the hit-or-miss game.

I haven't had a set of Pirellis in 20 years. They were great tires then and i only switched to Michelin because Pirellis then were SO LOUD. They seem to have the noise issue under control now, so I'll give Pirelli another try for my next set of tires on my Sienna this spring.

 

I'm rolling on Pirelli P7 Plus and absolutely love them. They haven't seen any snow yet, but they are very quiet and damn good on dry and wet. Heavy rain and flooded highways are no issue for them.

 

My experience did not mirror the premise that the MXV's were quieter. They do provide an almost imperceptible "handling" edge. I replaced my OEM MXV's at 36K ( a bit prematurely) as I found a super deal on the premiers on a trip to Florida. I can not detect any difference in ride comfort or road noise. On blacktop both were essentially silent. On concrete, not so much. The main advantages of the Premier's are, in addition to cost, tread life, ( I have now exceeded what I had on the MXV's with plenty of tread remaining), the fact that as the tread wears the "gap" or space between the treads continues to get slightly larger, (which enhances the tires ability to perform on wet roads ), and the ride comfort, (read ability to absorb impacts) tend to be a bit better. I am 100% happy with the Premiers and would not go back to the MXV's unless THEY were $20 a tire cheaper. (and perhaps not even then). My 2 cents..
In regards to balancing, my Premiers have not been rebalanced since installation, at 36k, odometer now reads 73++K.
One last thing to be fair, I did see a 1.5-2 MPG drop with the Premiers. At todays gas prices, I don't believe that with my average of 20K+ miles per year, that that offsets the initial price and reduced life span of the MXV's... Guess that's now my 3 cents..LOL

 

I didn't put a lot of miles on my 2015SE, but can say that I was not very happy with Michelin MXV tires. They were pretty nice on dry surface, a bit loud imo, but on wet and during heavy rain they were slipping very often and my TC light came to life countless times. Can't say anything about wear. I'm driving a 2015 Passat equipped with Continental tires and despite the fact that they are rated lower than the Primacy MXV, Continentals are quieter and have better wet traction.

 

On my previous car, a 2003 Acura TL, I had both the Primacy and later Premiers on it.

Both are excellent tires. Capable in rain and snow.

The Primacy's lasted for 40K and there were never any balance, or uneven wear issues. This was the first tire that really tamed my TL in the snow. The large V6 coupled with traction control that was minimal at best, caused this car to be one of the worst I have ever personally owned in the snow (you folks with the 270hp V6 in your Camry have my sympathies, if you have to drive in the snow). With the Primacys, I could finally venture out in snow with some confidence.

The Premiers seemed to be noisier the first 3K, but quieted down to the Primacy levels. A smidge better in deep snow and stayed extremely capable in the rain, even with 40K on them. Had the transmission not died in it, I fully planned on driving that car with those tires through this winter, even though the tires would have had nearly 45K on them by now. I live in Wisconsin and we get real snow up here.

My Camry, a 2014.5 LE, came with the Michelin Energy tires and I got my first experience with them in snow this past week and they are extremely average. Not as bad as I feared, but I cannot see using them for more than just this one winter. They currently have 12k on them. Performance in the turns is abysmal, as expected. Considering this is a tire centered on efficiency and not performance.

IMHO: Premiers are the better tire over the Primacy, especially in the long term.

My experience with Pirelli in the past has always been they produce great, but short lived, tires. Similar to Yokohama. Absolutely great performance, for about 20K, after that your results may very. Some of the reviews on Tire Rack bear that out on the P7, but there are many that are reporting exceptional tire life. I would be open to buying a set of P7's, but considering I can get Premiers from Costco much cheaper, that is the route I plan on taking, when the Energys work my last nerve.

 

Michelin Premier tires here and could not be any happier.

 

I got Michelin Primacy tires on my Camry and can't say anything exceptional about them. They are neither good ob bad on dry, very average on wet and pretty bad on light snow and black ice and at $160 per tire they are very overpriced. I had a few Michelins before and none of them lived to my expectations and worn out prematurely.

 

What the hell is wrong with some of the people here? Very odd, very weird, very strange...

Never mind - don't answer. It's not worth debating... ...

 

Maybe you should look in the mirror as you started the argument in the first place.

 

Got the Premieres today. Tech at Costco said these are the MXV4 successors. Costed me about $719 for all 4 tires.

 

Looks good! Paid $652 for my defenders yesterday so far I've put around 150 miles on them and have no complaints at all!