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MPG Comparison (9 Months) for Bridgestone Ecopia vs. Michelin Cross Climate 2

16K views 37 replies 15 participants last post by  MI-Toyotas  
#1 · (Edited)
I see this question from time-to-time: "How much will it affect mileage if I switch from OEM to [a better tire]?" Well here's 9 months worth of data for your review.

I drove on my OEM tires (Bridgestone Ecopia) for about 15 months before replacing them with Michelin Cross Climate 2. Now after driving on the CC-2s for 9 months, I'm posting my mileage results >> comparing the same 9 month period for both tires. Assuming all other variables unchanged, the CC-2s lowered my MPG by about 4.5%.

No real surprise here, I was expecting a slight mileage drop since the CC-2s are about 3 lbs heavier and have better traction than the Ecopia. Since I spend about $1,200/year on fuel, the 4.5% mileage drop only costs me about $54/year (less than the annual cost of Toyota's Remote Connect service).

My Opinion: The additional fuel cost (~$54/year) due to the mileage drop is WELL worth it for the smoother, quieter ride, and improved handling on wet roads. (And I'm likely to make up the difference with the longer life of the CC-2 tires.)

Anyway, here's the summary data and charts.
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Each data point below is a tank fill, regardless of the number of days, but data points are plotted to fall on the week when refill occurred.
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A little easier to see trend change on the moving-average chart:
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Additional information:
  • Ecopia data was primarily 2021 and CC-2 data primarily during 2022.
  • From Apr-July 2022 (CC-2), the average air temperature was 6°F hotter than the same period in 2021 (Ecopia).
  • I was still working from home half the week during Jan-Feb 2021 and during 2021, I tended to let DTE get closer to zero before refueling (fewer fill-ups).
  • My daily route was unchanged during these time periods.
  • In my opinion, the amount of construction and delays on this route varied more in 2022 (less predictable).
  • In my opinion, my average speed was higher in 2022 (when not delayed) because of the smoother ride of the CC-2s (less white knuckle steering).
  • My daily drive goes N-S through Dallas, TX.
 
#7 ·
I serioursly considered another Michelin tire that was available, but I don't remember the model. The CC2 had about the best rating on Tirerack from what was available at that time (I purchased at Costco).

I had Michelins SUV tires on my Honda Pilot for ten years. The ride was nice and tread typically lasted 10k-15k past the warranty.
 
#8 ·
Very meaningful and informative post.

I, too, have Michelin CCs on my ‘21 Venza, but from mile 1. Had them changed out before delivery. The OEMs were just unacceptable, imo.

Tire Rack and Discount Tire rated the Michelin CC’s as the best for the categories I wanted. I think the CCs each weighed 32# vs the 27# of the OEMs - that’s a lot! The OEM Bridgestones were rated the worst except in rolling resistance. The heavier the tire, the more the inertia to overcome. The trade-off is worth it unless you’re drag racing, etc. I didn’t get the Venza to drag race, nor did I get it to listen to noisy and very rough riding OEM Bridgestones which were obviously manufacturer selected for EPA mileage results.

Very nice documentation of your comparison! Thanks for sharing.
 
#11 ·
Can you give us any updates on your Michelin CC2 tyres? Has your mileage improved since your last post in September? How has the tread wear been since new?
Tread wear has been fine, I really don't see much wear at all.

I do have mileage data since original post, but it probably wouldn't be a fair comparison. >> TXDOT opened express lanes on my daily commute shortly after my original post and my average highway speed increased by 10-15mph (65-75mph increased to 80-85mph).
 
#12 · (Edited)
So now you’ve piqued my curiosity Tim, since you’re availing yourself of the higher speed limits I’d like to know what kind of mpg you’re actually getting. You see I typically drive 40 miles round trip to work 5 days, approx 30 miles is just hwy, the balance are back roads 30-40 mph posted. My speed limits are 55 on the Hwy and most everyone does an avg 65+, me I do higher, closer to 75/80 with occasional bursts. So I’m almost down to the wear indicators and I have just about 37K miles on the eccopias. I’ll need tires b4 my Nov inspection if I’m to pass it.
Doubtful the ‘24 Venza’s will be stateside then. So I’ll have to swap the tires I buy when the ‘24 arrives. I still haven’t decided on a tire. But that’s why you and Sewdds can offer first hand experience on their performance. They’re highly regarded in snow and are quiet too, so do I care if I’m going to have a mpg drop bc of a 5 lb difference ? Probably not bc the way I drive isn’t about getting the highest mpg on a tank. I want a quiet tire that handles well in the rain and snow of course but longevity is also a nicety when I’m dropping $1K for tires.
I would like to know if they still sound as quiet at higher speeds, assuming the acceleration of engine noise isn’t a factor ?
A co worker has them on her RAV4, but she doesn’t drive on hwys much but they do look interesting as far as tread block patterns go !
TY again.
 
#14 ·
‘21 Venza Limited, 26,566 miles on the ‘CCs. They measure just over 7/32s”. Excellent in every way except economy, but I do think their weight (32#) and reported greater than average rolling resistance affects performance and gas milage (a guess - likely 1-2 mpg).
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Same with me, 27,500 miles on CC2s and measure right at 7/32. Visually, my treads look like your photo, all sharp edges and completely flat across the width of the tread.
 
#18 ·
Michelin's website offers the CC's in both sizes...my selling dealership advised me that there is adequate clearance for a 235 width tire...and I assume that includes clearance to accommodate snow cable chains...what's good for the RAV4 ought to be good on the Venza...someone on this bulletin board must have mounted 235s on one of these things...
 
#20 ·
I kept the OEM size.

If anything, I would have liked to go with smaller wheel and increase the sidewall. The 19" rims are also contributing to a rougher ride.
I haven’t ruled out going to 18” rims when my CCs eventually wear out. By the looks of these tires, that will be a long time from now. On my 1992 Acura Legend LS, I put 110,000 miles on a set of H, not V, rated Michelin MVX4s and replaced due to a borderline sidewall puncture.
 
#36 ·
Tire manufacturers simply show ON THE TIRE SIDEWALL the MAXIMUM pressure a tire can handle. The RECOMMENDED pressure for each vehicle is what is stamped on the THAT vehicle's door plate!

Per the Michelin website (What is the right tire pressure for my car? | Michelin):

The tire pressure recommended by your manufacturer
The pressure has been optimally defined by the manufacturer for the vehicle/tire combination. All performances have been checked by the manufacturer with a clear objective: your safety.

This is why it is imperative to consult the pressure recommended by your manufacturer for your vehicle.

It is generally indicated:

  • on a sticker on your driver's side door,
  • in the fuel filler flap,
  • or in the vehicle manual.
The recommended pressure for your front and rear tires may not be the same.

You will also see that two types of pressure are indicated:

  • Normalized pressure: this is the standard pressure
  • Loaded pressure: to be adopted when the vehicle is particularly loaded, for example when going on holiday.