Hello toyota fans i was just wondering what upgrades would be good for a 22r engine i dont have a truck but i got a celica with that engine and yes ve heard of swaping the heads but is there anything else that can be done to push more
Skippy1988
So far the best simple improvement I've done is a header and cat back exhaust. I used to have an '80 Celica ST and that also did real well with a header.
You can also take the carb apart and enlarge the jets a bit. Don't go crazy, just bump them up a size. And don't forget to do the power jet as well.
I don't know what kind of air intake might be available for those but if you do something like that make sure you are feeding fresh outside air to the carb and not engine compartment air.
The truck I have now, I was able to remove 7lbs from the flywheel which definately helped response.
You can also take the carb apart and enlarge the jets a bit. Don't go crazy, just bump them up a size. And don't forget to do the power jet as well.
I don't know what kind of air intake might be available for those but if you do something like that make sure you are feeding fresh outside air to the carb and not engine compartment air.
The truck I have now, I was able to remove 7lbs from the flywheel which definately helped response.
its not how fast you want to go but how fast can you afford
personally I would go with the supercharger.:lol:
lcengineering site
http://www.toyotacatalog.net/M1WebGear/
personally I would go with the supercharger.:lol:
lcengineering site
http://www.toyotacatalog.net/M1WebGear/
Lc are waaaaayy too pricy.
If you want a street Celica that will blow the door of 99.99% of the car around check that tread: http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5788&hl=
I have a Crane 704-0012 in my 1985 Celica with custom 2.25" exhaust system, Supra AFM 3" open K&N air filter, timing bumped to 10 deg BTDC. With a MKII LSD and the factory ratio I was able to get 16.645 at 82.5 MPH. It's not fast, but it's a strong runner.
BTW if you don't want to blow one diff each month try to find a MKI Supra complete axel (brake, hose, cable and half of the drive shaft).
If you want a street Celica that will blow the door of 99.99% of the car around check that tread: http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5788&hl=
I have a Crane 704-0012 in my 1985 Celica with custom 2.25" exhaust system, Supra AFM 3" open K&N air filter, timing bumped to 10 deg BTDC. With a MKII LSD and the factory ratio I was able to get 16.645 at 82.5 MPH. It's not fast, but it's a strong runner.
BTW if you don't want to blow one diff each month try to find a MKI Supra complete axel (brake, hose, cable and half of the drive shaft).
Hey Vicoor, if you find a mid 70's 20R-powered car, the flywheel is already a good 5 lbs lighter the a stock 22R flywheel. I discovered this by accident after I machined a 22R flywheel and compared it to the 20R one.
The AFM won't do Skippy1988 any good because he runs a carb, but I agree with a bigger cam to pull out some of the engine's potential. Running 16 seconds is pretty respectable for a fairly heavy car.
The AFM won't do Skippy1988 any good because he runs a carb, but I agree with a bigger cam to pull out some of the engine's potential. Running 16 seconds is pretty respectable for a fairly heavy car.
Heavy???
My Celica with everything in it probably weight around 2700 pounds. There was a guy with similar setup as mine that corner weighted it.
I know that he has a carb, that's why I've recommand him to look at the tread I posted.
BTW I'm assuming this Celica is a 3rd gen (1982-1985) and that it's either a GT or an ST with the early engine.
The Cam modification is worthless if he don't get a bigger carb to supply the fuel and air.
About the exhaust, if you have a 2nd gen, most of the header for any 22r will work, but if it's a 3rd gen there's only doug torley 502y and Pacetter that has been succesfully instaled. The damn steering column hit with basicaly all the other headers made for Pick-up and 4runner. Be sure to selct the right year since the stud are not at the same place between a LARSE 22r and an early one.
My Celica with everything in it probably weight around 2700 pounds. There was a guy with similar setup as mine that corner weighted it.
I know that he has a carb, that's why I've recommand him to look at the tread I posted.
BTW I'm assuming this Celica is a 3rd gen (1982-1985) and that it's either a GT or an ST with the early engine.
The Cam modification is worthless if he don't get a bigger carb to supply the fuel and air.
About the exhaust, if you have a 2nd gen, most of the header for any 22r will work, but if it's a 3rd gen there's only doug torley 502y and Pacetter that has been succesfully instaled. The damn steering column hit with basicaly all the other headers made for Pick-up and 4runner. Be sure to selct the right year since the stud are not at the same place between a LARSE 22r and an early one.
Hey, have you weighed your car? Just wondering if that was an estimate or if you've run it over the scales. I ageed with a bigger cam as a good mod because I've done it to a few engines with great results, and using the stock carb.
Pg power brute if it's a 3rd gen with SRA or pre-85 IRS or 1985 GT-S with Automatic trans. or 1985 Convetible. In one word the only Celica that use an other diff. is a 1985 GT-S with Manual transmision.
No I didn't put my car on scale yet, but all the data I've seen so far all point toward something close to 2700 pound with 52-48 balance for a complete GT-S with power everything.
ITB's are useless with stock Cam and Exhaust. Engine isn't a big melting pot of parts. Everything work as a group and as a group you always get screwed by the weakest link. If the head and the exhaust doesn't flow, you won't gain anything. I think ITB's will be hard to play with and won't necesseraly put out more power then a Mikuni or a Holley "conventional" carb.
A lot of gain can be made by porting the head, but again you need Cam, exhaust and Intake. If you go radicaly with it you'll need higher compression piston as well.
No I didn't put my car on scale yet, but all the data I've seen so far all point toward something close to 2700 pound with 52-48 balance for a complete GT-S with power everything.
ITB's are useless with stock Cam and Exhaust. Engine isn't a big melting pot of parts. Everything work as a group and as a group you always get screwed by the weakest link. If the head and the exhaust doesn't flow, you won't gain anything. I think ITB's will be hard to play with and won't necesseraly put out more power then a Mikuni or a Holley "conventional" carb.
A lot of gain can be made by porting the head, but again you need Cam, exhaust and Intake. If you go radicaly with it you'll need higher compression piston as well.
what will help achive higher rpms like instead of redlining at 5500 i would like to redline at 6500 to 7000
More air flow, cams and a major rework on the head and engine block.
To get higgher rpm rate you need to blueprint the entire engine. Balance every rotating components and change them for lighter one. Roller lifter, lightweight con-rod and piston, port and polish the head, lightweight retainer lightweight valves (not easy with only 2 per cylinder), stronger valve spring, knife edging the crank, ect.
With the mods I already have I can get to the rev limiter easely (6250 rpm), but I loose time as power decrease if I shift past 5200-5400 rpm.
22re engine are torquey engine. Keep it that way or swap an other engine.
To get higgher rpm rate you need to blueprint the entire engine. Balance every rotating components and change them for lighter one. Roller lifter, lightweight con-rod and piston, port and polish the head, lightweight retainer lightweight valves (not easy with only 2 per cylinder), stronger valve spring, knife edging the crank, ect.
With the mods I already have I can get to the rev limiter easely (6250 rpm), but I loose time as power decrease if I shift past 5200-5400 rpm.
22re engine are torquey engine. Keep it that way or swap an other engine.
i do want to keep that engine belive me i love that engine lol
im just wondering whati can do to push and easy 150 to 180 horse power and thats it
im just wondering whati can do to push and easy 150 to 180 horse power and thats it
Then you should get rid of the 22R and swap in a 7M- series engine. A 12:1 CR engine will not run on 91 octane.Skippy1988 said:
yeah ok its only been done a bigilion times. all it takes is a big cam and some timing work, aluminum radiator, 2 electric fans and and electronic ignition like msd. we do it on v8's so why wouldnt it work on a 4 cyl? new motor cycles run at about 12:1 on pump. my honda trx450r did 
Compression Comprehension
You can run 11:1 or even 12:1 compression on your pump-gas street motor, but you'll need this simple advie to make it happen.
heres a link to a little read up. might make things either simpler, or more confusing. you be the judge!
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/0606phr_understanding_compression_ratio/
Compression Comprehension
You can run 11:1 or even 12:1 compression on your pump-gas street motor, but you'll need this simple advie to make it happen.
heres a link to a little read up. might make things either simpler, or more confusing. you be the judge!
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/0606phr_understanding_compression_ratio/
so what if i put a power stroke crankshaft will that do me any good and i would like to keep that engine the 22r is will known all over the world lol so i wana keep it simple
Yes, I know about Vizard; he's well respected when it comes to building engines. I machined a 12.8:1 Mini engine last year, using Vizard's tech info, and the engine is amazing, but requires a tear-down every year.wayfastwhitie said:yeah ok its only been done a bigilion times. all it takes is a big cam and some timing work, aluminum radiator, 2 electric fans and and electronic ignition like msd. we do it on v8's so why wouldnt it work on a 4 cyl? new motor cycles run at about 12:1 on pump. my honda trx450r did
Compression Comprehension
You can run 11:1 or even 12:1 compression on your pump-gas street motor, but you'll need this simple advie to make it happen.
heres a link to a little read up. might make things either simpler, or more confusing. you be the judge!
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/0606phr_understanding_compression_ratio/
But building a 12:1 22R for a daily driver is not a great idea for several reasons, such as it just won't last as long as a near stock one, it uses expensive fuel (and who can afford that) and it is pricey to build for the average person. A stock 22RE has fairly high CR stock (around 9 1/2), so it gives you something to work with.
Bikes are different, the overlap of the cam allows it to run without detonating in the low to mid range.
If anyone wants to read up on cams 101, here's a link. http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:6nOoRzzAFiYJ:users.spec.net/home/emxjc/cam_shaft_power.html+cam+overlap+bleeding+off+compression&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=ca&client=firefox-a
What year is your Celica???
The 3S-GTE is an easy swap if:
- You know some guys in Australia or close to the Japan to pick you a 2S bellhousing to mate a w5? manual trasmision.
- You know how to program a megaskirt or an other standalone system or you KNOW how to make it run distributorless (since the 3S has the distributor on the firewall side when it's mated on a RWD car).
- You know how to custom made Exhaust and Intake runner.
- You know exactly how to make the oil pan an oiling system work in vertical position when the engine was built to run at angle.
- You can built custom engine mount.
As for the 3S-GE I'm assuming you're talking about the engine found in the Altezza (AKA IS200). The hardess part will be to find that engine. I don't know much about that engine and I don't know many people who does.
There's a lot of possible swap to consider:
4A-GE or GZE: 1.6 L (about 170hp) if you like to rev to get horse and like to have no torque your in business.
2RZ : 2.4 L (145hp stock but can easely go to 250hp) found in later tacoma and Scion XA those engine are similar to what a 22re with 16 valve performance head would have been. Hardess part is engine mount and transmision fitting.
18R-GEU: 2 L (145hp twin cam engine, was the engine found in Gr5 Racing Celica's and produced up to 560hp with a KKK Turbo) Some Celica in Japan had that engine. It's a free reving engine but it's hard to find.
3T-GTE: 1.8 L (twin cam engine twin spark single turbo and was the engine found in Rally Celica's producing 370hp with the 2 Litters version (4T-GTE)) Some Celica in Japan had that engine. It's a free reving engine but it's hard to find.
1G-GTEU: 2 L (twin cam, twin turbo straight 6 engine 210hp). Slowly getting easier to find. Kinda heavy and hard to modified.
1UZ: 4L V8 (250-300hp) Need lot of custom work, but it's a strong engine that doesn't weight much more than a 22re
5M-6M and 7M-GE or GTE: (160-230hp but can easely get 300hp with minor mods): It's an heavy engine, but cheap and doesn't need a lot of custom work. Engine mount can be adapt using the 22re's lower portion and 5M higher part. Bellhousing are easy to find
American Small block: can be fitted but need custom exhaust, bell housing and motor mount. Except the LS1 engine they are generaly heavy.
The 3S-GTE is an easy swap if:
- You know some guys in Australia or close to the Japan to pick you a 2S bellhousing to mate a w5? manual trasmision.
- You know how to program a megaskirt or an other standalone system or you KNOW how to make it run distributorless (since the 3S has the distributor on the firewall side when it's mated on a RWD car).
- You know how to custom made Exhaust and Intake runner.
- You know exactly how to make the oil pan an oiling system work in vertical position when the engine was built to run at angle.
- You can built custom engine mount.
As for the 3S-GE I'm assuming you're talking about the engine found in the Altezza (AKA IS200). The hardess part will be to find that engine. I don't know much about that engine and I don't know many people who does.
There's a lot of possible swap to consider:
4A-GE or GZE: 1.6 L (about 170hp) if you like to rev to get horse and like to have no torque your in business.
2RZ : 2.4 L (145hp stock but can easely go to 250hp) found in later tacoma and Scion XA those engine are similar to what a 22re with 16 valve performance head would have been. Hardess part is engine mount and transmision fitting.
18R-GEU: 2 L (145hp twin cam engine, was the engine found in Gr5 Racing Celica's and produced up to 560hp with a KKK Turbo) Some Celica in Japan had that engine. It's a free reving engine but it's hard to find.
3T-GTE: 1.8 L (twin cam engine twin spark single turbo and was the engine found in Rally Celica's producing 370hp with the 2 Litters version (4T-GTE)) Some Celica in Japan had that engine. It's a free reving engine but it's hard to find.
1G-GTEU: 2 L (twin cam, twin turbo straight 6 engine 210hp). Slowly getting easier to find. Kinda heavy and hard to modified.
1UZ: 4L V8 (250-300hp) Need lot of custom work, but it's a strong engine that doesn't weight much more than a 22re
5M-6M and 7M-GE or GTE: (160-230hp but can easely get 300hp with minor mods): It's an heavy engine, but cheap and doesn't need a lot of custom work. Engine mount can be adapt using the 22re's lower portion and 5M higher part. Bellhousing are easy to find
American Small block: can be fitted but need custom exhaust, bell housing and motor mount. Except the LS1 engine they are generaly heavy.
if were to put one of the m series engine which one you reccomen cause the 7m i practically hat that engine lol any more advice will be helpful appreciate it
If I would put a 7M in my Celica I would take a 1989-1992 7M-GTE. I would probably consider a Turbo A if I could find one. I won't swap a 7M in my car though. It's good for everyday and drag strip but seem to trow the car off balance if your auto-x with it. The 7M are good engine, but they are not as bullet proof as the 22re is. The head gasket and head bolts are their weak points and they are hard to service (Oil change is a pain on a MKIII Supra). You will need to get the engine out for any major part replacement. But As far as I know it's the best bang for the buck you can have. 3 inch exhaust sytem, good intecooler and piping and 10 PSI will make the engine produce about 260whp.
There's one for sale that allready have to convertion done. The car is a low 13's and with drag tires a potential mid to high 12's: http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10348&hl=
This swap is getting more popularity. There's a couple of guys with 5M's and 3 guys are doing the 7M-GTE swap in there Celica and should finish soon.
Here's some related tread about it: http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9197&st=0
http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10790&st=0
http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10139&hl=
http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11611&hl=
http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8270&hl=
There's one for sale that allready have to convertion done. The car is a low 13's and with drag tires a potential mid to high 12's: http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10348&hl=
This swap is getting more popularity. There's a couple of guys with 5M's and 3 guys are doing the 7M-GTE swap in there Celica and should finish soon.
Here's some related tread about it: http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9197&st=0
http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10790&st=0
http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10139&hl=
http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11611&hl=
http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8270&hl=
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