if ya just stopping for lights, dont bother (i handbrake like every good driver though still)

 

to save gass....but that is soooo minute a savings though...

the other reason would be to look ricey as you roll up to a stop and put into neutral to let it roll back a bit like a 5 speed, making people think you are driving a manual


acutally i'm guilty of it sometimes...to roll over the sensors placed in the road to try to make the lights change faster

 

the other reason would be to look ricey as you roll up to a stop and put into neutral to let it roll back a bit like a 5 speed, making people think you are driving a manual

Interesting how people actually THINK of these things!

 

i dont think you need to shift down to neutral. but if you do its better for long term. as i have found out with my car.

 

Other than saving gas, you save the life of your transmission too.

When the car is at a stop in "D", the transmission torque converter is building up heat (it's constantly slipping). During long hour traffic jams in summer heatwave, it would be a good idea to occasionally shift to neutral during a long stop light to prevent heat build-up.

If you have an auxiliary transmission cooler however, you can ignore what I just said.

 

the other reason would be to look ricey as you roll up to a stop and put into neutral to let it roll back a bit like a 5 speed, making people think you are driving a manual

If N shouldn't be shift to, why there is N anyway. IMO, we're not being rice by just shift our automatic tran. be what we are. Auto is cool! I like it better than manual, maybe that because i'm lazy.. But I don't know if we damage transmission or not by just shift too many times, and I shift according to the stop light time...

 

okay, haven't we already see too many people posting threads like this asking the same damn question? And at the end of the day, even after hearing all the reasons (valid or whatever) the person that asked usually wouldn't listen, and will continue to carry on their own driving habits (usually not shifting to neutral at red lights, because mostly the people that DON'T shift to neutral will ask this question time after time, based on what I've observed the whole time as part of the TN community).

Bottom-line is: do whatever the heck you like, or feel comfortable. If you believe that shifting to neutral at red lights is unnecessary, then go on your merry ways and continue doing what you're doing (or not doing).

No offense but honestly this so-called "argument" is getting very very old. I apologize for this "semi-rant" because I get that question in real life too, usually from the passengers that know dick-all about cars, who don't really give a damn anyways, while still asking "why shift to neutral" and then "what's the point?" I usually make a disclaimer when generously giving people a lift that, if they ask stupid questions like this, they'd have to take the bus. It's good now that I drive a manual, so people usually STFU and stay that way


DISCLAIMER (so people especially noob won't think I'm a bad person ): this response isn't directed toward the author of this thread, just to people in general, but doesn't apply to all people, obviously.



PLUS: Just listen to Tony the Tiger, because he knows his shit!!!

 

if a car is shaking at a stop sign with transmission engaged in "D", which bothers you, shifting to "N" can mitigate the shaking symptom alot.

Actually, that was the reason i used to do. But with a newer car with almost not detectable shaking, i just forget about that :whatwhat: .

 

if a car is shaking at a stop sign with transmission engaged in "D", which bothers you, shifting to "N" can mitigate the shaking symptom alot.

Actually, that was the reason i used to do. But with a newer car with almost not detectable shaking, i just forget about that :whatwhat: .

My Corolla does that, but only when it's cold outside..the cars running temperature doesn't matter, but ym car vibrates ALOT when I'm at a stop in drive in the winter.

 

After going through 1 transmission on my '90 anything helps to extend the trans. life

 

There are millions and millions of cars in junkyards whose transmissions are still good, that idled in D for thousands of hours.

Also, how does it save gas if the RPMs actually go UP when you shift OUT of D into N?

mpg ~ Revolutions per Mile. Faster idle=more revolutions while you're sitting still=more gas wasted

If it saved gas to unload the car at lights, don't you think the auto manufacturers would have done that already?

SHEESH.

 

Also, how does it save gas if the RPMs actually go UP when you shift OUT of D into N?

 

There are millions and millions of cars in junkyards whose transmissions are still good, that idled in D for thousands of hours.

Also, how does it save gas if the RPMs actually go UP when you shift OUT of D into N?

mpg ~ Revolutions per Mile. Faster idle=more revolutions while you're sitting still=more gas wasted

If it saved gas to unload the car at lights, don't you think the auto manufacturers would have done that already?

SHEESH.

Bingo !!! Personally, I think that shifting a tranny that's meant to shift on it's own is adding wear, and not saving anything...but, to each his own. (My S stays in D at redlights)

 

Holy jeez with these questions already.. is there a meaning to life?? is there a god?? :lol: :disappoin

 

There are millions and millions of cars in junkyards whose transmissions are still good, that idled in D for thousands of hours.

Also, how does it save gas if the RPMs actually go UP when you shift OUT of D into N?

mpg ~ Revolutions per Mile. Faster idle=more revolutions while you're sitting still=more gas wasted

If it saved gas to unload the car at lights, don't you think the auto manufacturers would have done that already?

SHEESH.

:werd: Cars are MADE to stay in D at stoplights, the wear and tear on the tranny keeping it in D is nothing. Actually, my ex-ex-ex-girlfriend's dad shifted to N everytime, his tranny blew at 130K...and mechanic said it was attributed to all that shifting between D and N.

 

I leave it in D whenever I am stopped.. works for me

 

i have a confession to make, i still use N while stopping to be "rice" looking, LOL!

i mostly use N when im waiting for the train to pass...

other confession i have to make, when i had my Tercel, i always drive it like im driving a manual, LOL! for example, when im in first gear, i shift into "1", then on second gear, i shift into "2", then on the third gear, i shift into "D". my Tercel was a 3-speed auto...i miss how loud my Tercel sounds like...the sound of the engine about to blow up... :lol: :disappoin

 

I did that with my cam, but the only difference is that my trans had no oil, BURN BABY BURN, in 8,000 miles the tranny quit!

 

i have a confession to make, i still use N while stopping to be "rice" looking, LOL!

i mostly use N when im waiting for the train to pass...

other confession i have to make, when i had my Tercel, i always drive it like im driving a manual, LOL! for example, when im in first gear, i shift into "1", then on second gear, i shift into "2", then on the third gear, i shift into "D". my Tercel was a 3-speed auto...i miss how loud my Tercel sounds like...the sound of the engine about to blow up... :lol: :disappoin

Why are you ashamed of your Automatic? Automatic transmissions equipped vehicles sell for 1000 more minimum... so you're driving a more expensive car if you look at it that way .

I leave my Camry in D whenever I'm driving... unless I'm sitting in a parking lot eating with my a/c on.. in which case I put the car in park and pull the parking brake before I let off the brake.

In my Honda I put it in neutral whenver I'm not moving so I can take my foot off that third pedal... what's it called again?

 

BORING......once again, threads like this one are gay

Time after time someone posted a stupid argument (or sorry I meant "question") like this and you'll always get people split on those TWO choices (to shift or not to shift). One side always says things like longer-lasting transmission life and fuel saving if shifting to N, the other side says it doesn't do dick-all.

This is getting REALLY FUCKING OLD!!!



PLEASE LOCK THIS GAY THREAD :locked: FOR CRYING OUT LOUD



PS: I said it and I'll say it again: to each his own, so do whatever the fuck you want. Automatic transmission is not for REAL drivers anyway :lol:

 

Stupid noobs with stupid questions...

check my signature's quote.

 

If N shouldn't be shift to, why there is N anyway.

How would you tow a car with an automatic tranny, push it down the street if there were no gas in it, or let it run through an automatic car was without neutral on an automatic transmission? Even if there were a good answer to my questions, I promise you that no car manufacture put the neutral on automatic transmissions to put it in neutral at stoplights.

I don't know why anyone would think you're saving gas, you aren't. Revs are still up, car is still idling. If you really want to save gas, maybe you should shut down the engines at every idle for more than a minute. But that'll give you some wear and tear on some other parts of your car.

EchoHoLiK: Regardless of doing whatever the hell you want, I think people have the right to ask questions about the things around them. I would like to think that people are naturally curious and something doesn't make sense, they'll ask about it to learn about it. Don't tell me you've never asked a question before about something someone else did.

Lumberg: You're right about the no change in gas milage, but it's not about revs in miles (that's what we have different gears for, so we aren't always running in first and burning off too many gallons for so few miles), at a stop, your car is going to be using the same amount of gas, the only reason the revs are higher in neutral is because there is no longer a load and the engine is spinning freely just to keep idling. Doesn't burn more, doesn't burn less.

Honestly, the reason most people do it is because they wish they had something to do with their right hand (IE: shift a gear in a manual car). Humble idea, but a wasted effort in an automatic transmission. There will never be a valid excuse to or and reason why it should be done, but simple fact that you do it is the reason why it's done, and you won't ever be able to explain it to anyone with any other reason other than that.

 

^^^ hey I understand and I agree with your point, but honestly I'm just getting really sick over the argument part of such a "debate," which shouldn't even be a debate to begin with. And yes this question has been asked before MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY times, and every time it ends up the same (NOWHERE), where it just turns into a big argument about who's right. Well there really is no right or wrong answer here, just do whatever you feel like, since it's your car and you paid for it. But please (directed to other people) don't criticize and question what other people do, and act as if they're weirdos if they DO shift to N at red lights.


Better yet, be a man and drive a manual (<---it ain't that difficult, it's not rocket-freakin-science, and it's fun, and other people can finally STFU about that stupid question!!!)


Have fun with shifting or not shifting, cuz I don't give a shit...

 

it is a bad idea. becouse some of the time you are going to be at a light and when it terns green you are going to take your foot off the brake and give it gas. but when you relize you are in N you put it in D and you might be at a high rpm and rev drop the trans. and that is worse than the heat coused by sitting there, and cost to rebiuld is more than the gas you will save

 

EchoHoLiK: You seem like a cool guy about everyone doing whatever they like and I respect that and that opinion. But it just seems that there are upsides and downsides to everything, including a matter like this and it's something to discuss so that people can make the right decision. Just like burning out, sure you can do it if you want, put it's rather pointless if you're doing it for yourself and at every stoplight, but if you like doing it, cool, but in the end, you're going to have to wonder what the downside to you liking to do it is.

PERSONALLY, I think it can endanger people, just like warlock just posted. It does happen. And I also think it does induce some extra wear to the tranny, not enough to make a big deal out of it since Toyota trannies are one of the best. I just find the whole concept to be rather pointless. And just as everyone has the right to do it, I would like to think I have the right to tell them what I think about this.

I loved driving manual, but sometimes the option arises and you have to turn it down. I had an '81 RX7 which was a manual which I sold to get an 05 Corolla automatic due to a commute. But I do know people who drive automatics just because they can't afford a better, reliable car, than what was passed down to them. And it makes sense that they want to make the best of it.

BOTTOM LINE: We know for sure that putting your car in drive won't damage your car more than the manufacturer intended it to. Shifting from drive to neutral would have to take a big ass group of testers to finally decide, so the answer will always be unknown since it's a pointless topic to research. You can do it, but bear the consequences of your tranny and your peers.