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Running Rich/ Negative Trims -20'ish LTFT and STFT

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4.8K views 23 replies 3 participants last post by  Hibikidan333  
#1 ·
Hi All 👋 I've been lurking these forum for several years now and benefited from the experience here which I'm grateful for. I started from no knowledge to being able to make significant repairs to my 2005 Corolla because of this and many other forums. For this, I thank everyone here.

I've made many progressive repairs to the car. The car runs nice and smooth. However, a persistent issue I've had up until now is negative fuel trims. We're talking -20% for LTFT and near -20% for STFT.

MAF readings is about 2.2g at about 700 RPMs. MAF is new and OEM (Denso). Has been cleaned with MAF cleaner.

Oxygen sensor is new (OEM). It functions well when engine is warmed out and I'm driving. It is rich at idle (high voltages).

Fuel injectors had been replaced by second hand ones. I get the feeling my problem may stem from there. The only issue is that I had bad fuel trims before I installed these 2nd hand ones so.. it's hard to know.

I had installed a new fuel pump before but I didn't install a new fuel pump regulator at the time ☹. It was a pain to unplug the assembly so I don't look forward to that if that's the case

I will likely screen dump my OBD stats here tomorrow for reference.

Does anyone know what it could be and how I could diagnose it?
 
#2 ·
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Here's the screenshot. I decided to spray the MAF sensor down thoroughly with MAF cleaner. Drives great but still have no idea why -20 LTFT. STFT goes even more negative throughout the day.

Mileage is about 10-11L/100km or 21-23 mpg.
 
#3 ·
Is yours in Oz land 1.8L? At idle it should be approx 1.8 grams then I believe. That is about 20% difference there from 2.2. Which o2 sensor did you replace? It says in your screen shot MAF = 2.4 now. The upstream is called a wideband O2 sensor aka Air/fuel ratio sensor I believe.
 
#4 ·
Is yours in Oz land 1.8L? At idle it should be approx 1.8 grams then I believe. That is about 20% difference there from 2.2. Which o2 sensor did you replace? It says in your screen shot MAF = 2.4 now. The upstream is called a wideband O2 sensor aka Air/fuel ratio sensor.
I'm in Aus but the car is a Japan build (pre Oct from memory?).

Both the MAF and the O2 are Denso. Yeah I call I O2 to simplify things but you're right it's a wideband sensor. On these Jap builds though they only have one sensor. I'm not sure why but I've confirmed it with a number of people + looked for it myself in the engine bay tracing it out of the engine to the exhaust (including removing the shield at the back).

The weird thing is that I've got a cheap Chinese MAF sensor as something to test and it gives me excellent numbers. The trouble is that it's gives me rattling timing chain noises while the Denso doesn't so I'm trusting the Denso more 🤷‍♂️.
 
#5 ·
I’m willing to bet that you have a leaking fuel injector o ring. In a rich condition, you’re consuming more fuel. Lean condition is the opposite and points to a vacuum leak in front of the maf sensor.

You don’t have a downstream sensor because you don’t have a cat.
 
#10 ·
Use 12v battery and pulse the power. If you use constant power, it will break. The pulse will mimic the actual operation in the engine. You’re looking for all orifices to spray. When it doesn’t spray out, then it’s clogged or leaking.

Here’s the basics video.

 
#15 ·
Here's what my stats look like after the Engine Oil Flush and Oil+Filter Change. The interesting thing about this is in Park - usually my car runs at a significantly higher rev on Park. And yet, MAF is running fine. I'll be working on the fuel injectors next.

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#16 ·
Well, I cleaned the injectors and put new kits in but it still is the same mileage/numbers.

Two things that have improved include smoother driving and less noise (with new timing belt tensioner)

I had found one injector that didn't seem to spray too well - it seems to not be able to stay open when I gave it charge.

Is it worth buying a cheap injector on eBay to see if it improves?

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#23 ·
Yes. In fact, I adjusted it after the fuel injectors were serviced. I made sure that it just had enough slack to not lift the butterfly valve when idle.

The IACV valve may be on its way out. In the past, I would experience RPM surges. It eventually went away when I sprayed carby cleaner. Right now, the RPM sit comfortably at 675 RPM and does not deviate much from that.