TC = Transmission & Clutch

But...

Nothing new yet.

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/local_links/links/1

 

Here's another link... Te revised TCM TSB is up as of last week, so you should see TC002-07 soon.

http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Toyota/index-post.html

 

Here's another link... Te revised TCM TSB is up as of last week, so you should see TC002-07 soon.

http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Toyota/index-post.html

Thanks for the link :thumbup:

 

Hey All...

If this TSB fixes the surge problem in the v6 camry... I PROMISEEEEEEEEEE I am going to SLAP the shit out of my little brother when I get home....

Pray that it is a fix.... :slap:

Cheers to ALL if it is TRUE!!

 

My understanding is, TSB TC002-07 just came out on 1/18/07.
I was alerted to it today in another discussion, but so far haven't been able to find out what is says.
I did get this from another discussion earlier today with regard to it:
"...The TSB applies to vehicles in a certain production range. It does specify replacement of the automatic transaxle only if the customer has had prior concerns."

 

Looks like this applies to VIN's prior to mine .. if i am reading this correctly.

 

Looks like this applies to VIN's prior to mine .. if i am reading this correctly.

How'd you conclude that?

 

I think it was on page 2 or 3 it listed the VINS affected .. no?

 

I think it was on page 2 or 3 it listed the VINS affected .. no?

I think you're reading the most recent "revised" TSB that was posted on 1/18/07

TC015R-06 which menas the following...

TC = Transmission/Clutch

015 = the 15th TSB for TC (keep in mind this is all Toyotas, not just the CLAMry)

R = Revised

-06 = 2006

The new TSB being discussed in this thread is = TC002-07

or the second (002) TC related TSB for 2007

 

TSB Content

My understanding is, TSB TC002-07 just came out on 1/18/07.
I was alerted to it today in another discussion, but so far haven't been able to find out what is says.
I did get this from another discussion earlier today with regard to it:
"...The TSB applies to vehicles in a certain production range. It does specify replacement of the automatic transaxle only if the customer has had prior concerns."

I've read the new TSB. It refers specifically to the 07 Camry V6, just like the earlier August TSB. However, this time, they mention actual VIN # ranges that are impacted. As before, they go to great pains to emphasize that only cars for which the dealer can reproduce the flare qualify for the TSB procedure. The big news is that, unlike the previous TSB that specified replacement of the valve body component of the transaxle, this one specifies replacement of the entire transaxle and torque converter. There are two possible reasons for this change: (1) Toyota Corporate learned the hard way that too few dealer mechanics have the skill or attention to detail required to open up and work on a transmission without destroying it, and/or (2) Parts in addition to the valve body are the cause of the flare.

What I would like to know are the following: (1) Whether the transmissions they're installing per the new TSB have improvements over the ones they installed in cars belonging to those of us who got new transmissions before the TSB came out; and, (2) Whether the torque converter has been revised. I mention the second issue because the repair order that accompanied my car when it was returned to me stated the transaxle had been replaced, but did not mention anything about the torque converter.

For the curious, my replacement transmission (installed in December) still exhibits the flare problem - sometimes even when the engine is fully warmed up.

The new TSB applies to vehicles made *before* the following VIN #s:
JTNBK46K#73016015
4T1BK46K#7U025516
4T1BK46K#7U530472

-Doug

 

The new TSB applies to vehicles made *before* the following VIN #s:
JTNBK46K#73016015
4T1BK46K#7U025516
4T1BK46K#7U530472
/quote]

Well then, the real question at hand now is--has anyone driven or owned a vehicle above the noted vins which had the problem? Also, what is the actual date they changed versus what date did somone have a new tranny installed which still has a problem? Replacement of the torque converter is an interesting turn because that gadget isn't cheap, so the problem might be related to fluid pressures??? Or the actual structure of the housing has been modified so that the old TC would not fit the new transaxle??

 

My car falls into the JTN vin number. I only have about 1200 miles on the car so far but I has flare shifted maybe twice so far. What I do find odd is in the morning the car has a different noise coming from the engine sounds a little like a hung up lifter. I konw the car doesn't have lifters but it sounds a little like that from older cars. Once the car warms up the sound goes away.

 

The big news is that, unlike the previous TSB that specified replacement of the valve body component of the transaxle, this one specifies replacement of the entire transaxle and torque converter. There are two possible reasons for this change: (1) Toyota Corporate learned the hard way that too few dealer mechanics have the skill or attention to detail required to open up and work on a transmission without destroying it, and/or (2) Parts in addition to the valve body are the cause of the flare.

Curious as to what the failing condition is for the replacement transaxle?

Mine fell into the VIN range...

I was told less than a month ago that they would not do the valve body TSB, but would instead replace the transaxle because my car was built after 07/06.

 

Mine falls after the VIN range (sorry I celebrated prematurely before). I have not noticed any flare issues, but i only have 790 miles on my Camry (she is still a virgin).

I have a 11/06 Build.

 

If this really fixes the flare... which I assume is the purpose of the TSB... then this will be a joyous day for not only Camry owners, but ES owners as well. I mean this will also be a joyous day for those that are planning to purchase the camry since the flare issue would be resolved. But until someone actually applies or can verify this TSB's validity, I can only hope. Thanks. Cheers to all.

 

I just got a copy of the TSB over at Yahoo Toyotas Only.
This definitely includes my car.
Finally feel like I'm beginning to get some answers.

 

I just got a copy of the TSB over at Yahoo Toyotas Only.
This definitely includes my car.
Finally feel like I'm beginning to get some answers.

do you think you could post it...

if you could that would be great... thanks....

 

i have a 5pd se, but when i ask the serivce advisor about the transmission problem there quick to say, its because people are not use to driving with drive-by-wire. I dont kno if that is true, but why are they so quick to make an excuse. just like the jetta burns oil because the rings were put in opposite, they say that is normal, even my camry, they said steering wheel shrudering is normal, kinda went away here in dallas since its not that cold

 

i have a 5pd se, but when i ask the serivce advisor about the transmission problem there quick to say, its because people are not use to driving with drive-by-wire. I dont kno if that is true, but why are they so quick to make an excuse. just like the jetta burns oil because the rings were put in opposite, they say that is normal, even my camry, they said steering wheel shrudering is normal, kinda went away here in dallas since its not that cold

they do this to not admit that there is a problem or because they are just idiots and don't know of the problem. and when someone doesn't know something.... you guessed it... they give you a BS answer or an answer that would make you happy...

what you mention is real and IS A PROBLEM... continue searching on this forum for suggestions and answers to your questions. hopefully this helps.... thanks..

 

do you think you could post it...

if you could that would be great... thanks....

The copy I got over there is in .pdf format, and I don't know how to attach it here.
But here's a copy and paste of the text info to give you an idea of what it says.

---------------
. Page 1 of 2
TC002-07
Title:
3RD - 4TH GEAR SHIFT FLARE
Models:
’07 Camry (V6)
Technical Service
BULLETIN
January 19, 2007
TSB UPDATE NOTICE:
The information contained in this TSB supercedes TSB No. TC008–06.
TSB No. TC008–06 is now obsolete and should be discarded.
Some customers may experience a shift flare of up to 1000 RPM between the 3rd and
4th gear shift point during the first ten minutes of operation after a cold start. Follow the
repair procedure in this bulletin to address customer concerns.
NOTE:
This TSB ONLY applies to vehicles that have been confirmed to have the customer
concern listed above. Follow the drive pattern specified in the Repair Procedure to
determine if this TSB applies.
? 2007 model year Camry vehicles equipped with the V6 engine and produced
BEFORE the Production Change Effective VINs shown below.
MODEL PLANT PRODUCTION CHANGE EFFECTIVE VIN
Tsutsumi JTNBK46K#73016015
Camry TMMK Line 1 4T1BK46K#7U025516
TMMK Line 2 4T1BK46K#7U530472
PREVIOUS
PART NUMBER
CURRENT
PART NUMBER
PART NAME QTY
30510–33530 Same Automatic Transaxle Assembly
w/Torque Converter
1
00289–ATFWS Same ATF WS 5.6 qts (5.3 liters,
4.7 Imp. qts)
OP CODE DESCRIPTION ENGINE TIME OFP T1 T2
TC5005 R & R Transaxle Assembly 2GR–FE 7.3 30510–33530 26 99
Applicable Warranty*:
This repair is covered under the Toyota Powertrain Warranty. This warranty is in
effect for 60 months or 60,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the vehicle’s
in-service date.
* Warranty application is limited to correction of a problem based upon a customer’s specific complaint.
TRANSMISSION & CLUTCH
Introduction
Applicable
Vehicles
Production
Change
Information
Parts
Information
Warranty
Information
3RD – 4TH GEAR SHIFT FLARE – TC002-07 January 19, 2007
Page 2 of 2
TOOLS & MATERIAL QUANTITY
Toyota Genuine Adhesive 1344, Three Bond 1344, or equivalent As Needed
ITEM
NO.
SPECIAL SERVICE TOOLS (SSTs) PART NUMBER QTY DRW**
1
Toyota Diagnostic Tester Kit*
NOTE:
? All components from this kit/set
are required.
? 12 Megabyte Diagnostic Tester
Program Card (P/N 01002593–005) with
version 14.0a Software (or later) is required.
TOY220036 1 9
2
CAN Interface Module Kit*
NOTE:
? All components from this kit/set
are required.
01002744 1 9
* Essential SSTs.
** Drawer number in SST Storage System.
NOTE:
Additional Diagnostic Tester Kits, CAN Interface Modules, Program Cards, or other
SSTs may be ordered by calling SPX/OTC at 1-800-933-8335.
1. Allow the vehicle to cold soak for a minimum of 4 hours.
2. Connect the Diagnostic Tester to DLC3.
3. Turn the engine switch ON.
4. Turn the Diagnostic Tester ON.
5. Enter the following menus on the tester:
DIAGNOSIS / OBD–MOBD / ECT / DATA LIST.
6. Start the engine.
7. Monitor SHIFT position and ENGINE SPD while driving the vehicle with light throttle
application (under 25% throttle angle).
8. If shift flare is up to 1000 RPM when shifting from 3rd to 4th gear, remove and replace
the transaxle assembly w/torque converter.
NOTE:
When the automatic transaxle is replaced, the transaxle compensation code MUST be
input into the TCM. After the automatic transaxle is reinstalled, the QR code label will
be positioned where the code cannot be read. Therefore, before reinstalling the
automatic transaxle, record the transaxle compensation code.
9. After replacement of the transaxle assembly w/torque converter enter the new
transaxle compensation code.
Refer to TSB No. TC003–06, “U660E Automatic Transaxle Compensation Code
Input Process”.
Required
Tools &
Material
Required
SSTs
Repair
Procedure

 

Here is a low quality version of the files... Hope this helps everyone.... AND hope this solves the problem.... LETs PRAY it does....

 

My VIN definitely qualifies by a mile. I had the valve body done and only experienced a flare on day 1 that was worse than anything I had seen before that. Since then, it is like it was before with very minor 100-200 rpm flares firt thing in the morning every 3-5 days. Maybe I'll see about getting this one done as well.

 

Well this settles it for me fellas!!!

While I was povided information that was a little more protective of Toyota's bottom line, it appears to have been (based on this TSB) truthfull.

The TFS rep had early information about the "revision" to TC008-06 (which is now OBSOLETE rather than revised), so they told me about the 07/06 cutoff date before TC002-07 was "approved."

Whatever the case it seems the VIN range on TC002-07 goes deeper into 2006 builds then 07/06.

Transmissions replacements and a flood of OVERHAULED/REBUILT 2007 Camrys on the used market... CAVEAT EMPTOR!

 

Well this settles it for me fellas!!!

While I was povided information that was a little more protective of Toyota's bottom line, it appears to have been (based on this TSB) truthfull.

The TFS rep had early information about the "revision" to TC008-06 (which is now OBSOLETE rather than revised), so they told me about the 07/06 cutoff date before TC002-07 was "approved."

Whatever the case it seems the VIN range on TC002-07 goes deeper into 2006 builds then 07/06.

Transmissions replacements and a flood of OVERHAULED/REBUILT 2007 Camrys on the used market... CAVEAT EMPTOR!

I would be interested in seeing hard numbers before stating a 'flood'

BTW: It seems the majority of those experiencing this issue are far from major driveability problems.

I like how you increase your font for effect, like a newspaper headline "THE SKY IS FALLING"

 

I would be interested in seeing hard numbers before stating a 'flood'

BTW: It seems the majority of those experiencing this issue are far from major driveability problems.

I like how you increase your font for effect, like a newspaper headline "THE SKY IS FALLING"

Agreed no "major drivability issues."

Flood as in, it would appear there's a lot of folks who needed the TC008-06 TSB but were waiting for the "real solution." Well you now have it, you need a new transaxle, are you going to get it or put up with the problem?

Who's to say the crappy gas mileage I got while owning wasn't partly my lead foot and partly a slipping "inefficient" transmission?

The font change was because I did want to highlight the fact there is a resolution, I'm satisfied at this point Toyota has the "fix" now and that requires a replacement transaxle... Unfortunately, I have no idea what the default font size is as I selected too much text and changed more than the bolded "headline." I selected 1 and it looked too small, so I ran with 2 which is too big, I guess the default is like 1.5?

Whatever... No falling sky, just stating the facts. You now have a fix, the same one presented to me almost a month ago to the day, regardless of whether I chose to accept the fix or not isn't important... You now know where you stand... You can either live with a transmission that is going to eat itself apart eventually or get it fixed and decrease the value of your car, unless you want to give it up under a "certified" program. In this event you lose the priviledge of driving it past a certain mileage.

Further, I suspect there's a great percentage of people who have no clue about the issue with their car and as such will not be reflected in the "replacement numbers." This will also have a detrimental effect on the used 2007 V6 Camry market because used buyers will be aware of getting one that's been fixed over one that hasn't been fixed... Whether the problem is displayed is unimportant, the car has a dark cloud over it and the fact the 2008 MY cars more than likely won't exhibit any issues, the 2007 MY cars depreciate even further.