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When is the new 4Runner arriving?

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When is the new 4Runner arriving?
I thought it was 2023 but I have not seen any pics or any news related to it

As much time as they have spent between updates, it has to be good.

I wonder if a hybrid will be available. The mileage has to get better.
 
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I read that the C-HR has the lowest appreciation rate among owners. Only 15 or 20 percent would consider buying another, one versus the much higher satisfaction rates among the other Toyotas.

The Prius is being reduced because you can buy a Corolla, a Camry or an intro RAV4, for basically the same price, get more car, and a greater value. The Prius was popular several years ago when it was the first successful hybrid, and it got 40 mpg, but a lot of cars do that now. Sedans are losing popularity.
 
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I to am waiting to see the new 4 runner. My GF is planning on getting one but we wanna see the new model first. If we don't like the looks we will try to get one of the last 22's
 
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No new 4Runner for 2023. But we do get a limited edition built off of the SR5 Premium. Toyota 4Runner Celebrates Historic Run with 40th Anniversary Special Edition - Toyota USA Newsroom
So, they are going to charge an extra 5K ( probably) just because the 'special edition' has a few stripes down the side and standard features that you can get on any other 4Runner?

Why are they stalling? When are they going to come out with a new model?
One that is more efficient, hybrid, upgraded interior, more ergonomic.
 
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4Runner is based on the same platform as Land Cruiser Prado ("baby" Land Cruiser sold in Europe and some other places) and Lexus GX. Pretty sure that Toyota will launch an updated platform for these vehicles. But just like Toyota "killed" the full size Land Cruiser in the US for the sake of Lexus LX, they could do the same with the 4Runner. The new platform will be pretty expensive, maybe too expensive for the 4Runner. Current 4Runner sells pretty well because it is "old school" and (relatively) cheap because all the design costs have been fully recouped by now.
 
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The next gen 4runner will share the same chassis as the tundra and tacoma on the new global architecture chassis. We ordered a 22 Trail 4 runner like 2.5 months ago from P.E.I and still no word if we can get one yet...We wanted the last of this bullet proof 4runner for my partner and I will prob get the 24 tacoma when it comes out
 
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Toyota has two hybrid system:

- the Synergy drive, like the one originally developed for Prius and currently used in most Toyota hybrid vehicles except the new Tundra and Sequoia. The Synergy drive uses two electric motors (one being actually motor-generator) and a ICE engine interconnected through a single planetary gearset. It's called eCVT becuase it behaves like a CVT (no gear shifting), but relies on the combination of the relative rotation speed of the three motors to deliver the right speed and torque to the wheels. The design is optimized for fuel economy, but at some expense of performance (acceleration and towing capacity). Another advantage of the Synergy eCVT is outstanding reliability and longevity thanks to its simplicity - there are very few moving parts, no solenoid valves, clutches, brakes, etc. like in an automatic transmission. The Synergy eCVT is the simplest gearbox you can have, even simpler than a manual transmission, and about as complicated as a typical differential.

- The hybrid system originally develop for some Lexus vehicle, and currently used in the new Tundra and Sequoia. It is basically a conventional drive system (ICE coupled to an automatic transmission), with an electric motor-generator integrated into the ICE flywheel. The main objective of this system is to deliver superior torque performance compared to the ICE only, with some improvement in fuel economy. This is why the hybrid Tundra has significantly better towing capacity of the non-hybrid version. It allows Toyota to use a smaller ICE engine with less power, while still delivering V8 performance when needed (measured in seconds or minutes). This is basically the same hybrid arrangement that most other manufacturers have been using.

Similarly to the Tundra and Sequoia, the objective of the hybrid Tacoma / 4Runner is not (much) better fuel economy, but more power / torque / towing capacity from a small ICE engine. Assuming that the new Tacoma and 4Runner will come with a 4-cyl turbo (the same ~270 hp engine as the 2023 Highlander), the hybrid will offer more power, torque and towing capacity that the ICE-only version. I suspect that the Tacoma / 4Runner 4-cyl turbo will be actually de-rated compared to the Highlander engine to improve longevity under heavier load, so I would expect 250-260 hp range for the ICE version, with modest towing capacity. The hybrid will offer ~300 hp, with better acceleration and significantly better towing (I would expect ~7k lb from the Tacoma and ~6k lb from the 4Runner), while still offering slightly better fuel economy that the "basic" powertrain. 15-20% more horsepower with 2-4 mpg better mileage is a pretty good deal.