v6 only get like what was it 150-160 to the wheels? and the extra weight its really not quick.

 

^right, the 1mz in the solara is 195 hp at the crank... its no slouch, but I think the advantage lies in the aftermarket.

spending $2k on a civic to make it faster>spending $2k on a camry to make it faster

 

I'm guessing the weight?

 

^ Bingo. The V6 Camry weighs around 3,250lbs for a third generation. Similar year Civic's weigh over 1,000lbs less than that. That and the fact that they're automatic only which kills a lot of the power being put to the ground. Camry's are NOT fast car, and they aren't very good tuning cars either. Why? Because there is a tiny aftermarket for them. The 1MZFE isn't the best engine in the world for modding either. Obviously there are people out there making pretty good power out of them but it's not going to be as cheap as making a Civic fast.

Would I rather have a Civic then my Camry though? HELL NO!

 

But if thought in terms of fast and cheap we'd all be rice burners and no one wants that.

 

I'm just guessing here but I thought it was lack of tuner parts/compatability with the Toyota/Camry engines. That is in stock condition the Camry is no slower than other similar cars but it's too expensive to boost performance compared to some of the others.

 

srt4's are cheap and pretty fast and not necessarily ricers, i would love a nice fast and cheap setup but in the car i want. but like the prices for a simple turbo on a camry is absurd comparatively

 

The only other car I'd take over the Camry(for the price) is an eclipse. There small, and damn cheap. I don't know about turboing them though, that might cost just as much as a gen3.

 

Just to put this out there you apparently don't know that you could get a 4wd GSX Eclipse with the 4G63 that is already turbo'ed. As in the 4G63 in the Lancer Evo. As in a lot of power in a small package.:clap: You can also replace the internals on the stock T-25 turbo with the T-28 internals and have about 70more HP, providing you upgrade fuel, etc. etc.

 

My friends don't consider my Camry to be a slow car

 

But what do you friend drive?

 

A Civic, Two 94 V6 Accords, One i4 Accord, Three 4cyl Camrys, and a Tundra. The guy that has some old V8 Thunderbird and the other guy that has an old V8 Ford pickup think that the Camry is slow.

 

Exactly. The Camry is usually driven by folks who value quality and reliability over the absolute over the edge performance of a nervous high end car. Why would you trash a wonderfully designed piece of engineering?

The driver of the "other" brand... he/she will trash their vehicle and two years later, they're trading it in.

Matt

1972 Gran Prix
1975 Trans Am
1975 Torino
1975 Dart
... and blah, blah, blah

1983 Accord
1988 626
1996 Camry

 

Toyota, I love what you do for me.

 

the gen3 and 4 camry was pretty fast in its day, but now it has to keep up with cars that stock have almost twice the power.

 

camry are not made to be performance car but hey if you can beat a ricer then thats fast enough for me... took a 00 civic si (and s bunch of other riced out hondas) with ease. took an altama/maxima (not sure which one but it has the 3.5 badgaing) while car was loaded with 4 people including me and my subs. he was on me but couldnt pass me.. about 3-4 cars behind. oh yeah this on was on freeway.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36_bNDRiUio&feature=related


Not that Im an Altima Fan, but they can burn Gen3-3.5 V6 Camrys pretty easy......
I had a 2001 5 speed Altima for a brief moment and that thing blew the doors off of most other Japanese cars as well as alot American ones!!
........the car is a POS though:lol: , Id much rather have a slower Camry!!

 

The 5sfe Camry is slow. Period. The V6 Camry was actually VERY respectable for its day.............and can hold its own today too, as long as there is no sludge! Oooooh I went there!

p.s. There is no way a 3.5 Altima (or Maxima for that matter) couldn't pass a gen 3 V6 Camry carrying 4 peeps and subs.........if they were really trying. I want to say a gen 3 V6 is capable of 8 sec 0-60. A V6 Altima is low 6's......plus is has a 5-speed AT, and at freeways speeds it is fast as heck.

 

p.s. There is no way a 3.5 Altima (or Maxima for that matter) couldn't pass a gen 3 V6 Camry carrying 4 peeps and subs.........if they were really trying. I want to say a gen 3 V6 is capable of 8 sec 0-60. A V6 Altima is low 6's......plus is has a 5-speed AT, and at freeways speeds it is fast as heck.

it was he was fuking with me or some sh!t. i was in and out of traffic and he did the same. most of time he could of passed me. he had the bling bling rims on it too.. but whatever, i had fun... win or lose, to me its about having fun with friends...

 

ya arent maximas supposed to be pretty quick?

 

maximas are very quick when compared to the camry, throw in a manual and u havnt got a chance. especially with 4 people and subs, ur lookin at a car that weighs at or slightly over 4000lbs and has 150whp...ut not beating a 3.5 anything. but iguess u cant really call passing u in traffic racing. my buddy used to do that and all he did was keep teh faster car behind him by closing gaps the other car could have made. which is easy when ur in front.:lol:

 

idk...i've taken a few ricers on with my AT 5SFE..pulled up to a stoplight and this civic wit a fartcan pulls up and revs..i go into N andstart revvin...pushin 6k rpm...light turns green...we bopth get goin but im freewheelin for a good 3 seconds...once i get my grip i pass his ass up and laugh as he keeps tryin...i kno he was prolly rnnin stock but made mfeel goo that i smoked a kitted-ricer-looking civic..

 

ahmen. thoes wheels prolly weigh as much as ur friends anyways:lol:

i beat a shool bus once, didnt know waht hit them :thumbup:

 

i wouldnt called it racing.. just a little speed contest.. i know they are faster then my camry but whatever.. like i said.. my friends and i had fun.. hope the other driver and his passenger had fun. (if he as passenger)

 

ya i even kick a maximas ass before with a 5sfe auto it's the driver then the car that fool almost ran in to my ass slid sideways jumped the curb and was a foot away from the light pole at the end :whatwhat:

 

5SFE automatic < V6 Maxima :disappoin


The third gen V6 coupes cant even keep up with modern day cars. I raced a Z24 Cavalier with a 5 speed and I barely beat him in my V6 coupe. Slowness.

To answer your question about why Camry's are considered "slow", it's because 16+ second 1/4 mile times are SLOW.

 

When you said that Camry's were fast when they came out, are you talking about the 4cyl. as well? Anyways, I don't think there's anything that my car can beat. Although, it did keep up with some 04 accord at higher speeds and slowly out-accelerated a corolla from the same year.

 

Well to be blunt, Camry is basic transportation for families, the proverbial family car, there is no other way to put it really. They were not meant to be fast from the factory. If a person wanted a fast Toyota then they had to buy a Supra Turbo, MR2 Turbo or Celica GT-S.

The 5SFE Camrys are slower than molasses in January, no doubt about it. (Sure that the 18 inch chrome wheels on mine don't help at all.) In fact the only car I have owned that was slower was my 1995 Geo Metro 3 cylinder.

There are guys that put tons of money into a Camry and get 300 WHP and my hat is off to them for the effort. But I'd rather start off with a cheap car already fast from the factory like an LS1 Camaro or 4G63 Eclipse (or anything with boost) and make it even faster.

 

well because the camry isn't a fast car. for its time its not fast, not even quick but respectable. besides the aftermarket support its the design and layout of the car itself

 

Because it's 4 doors, automatic, FWD and heavy as hell. Those combined makes it a family sedan. Family Sedan =/= Fast car. The Coupe V6 has a tiny more respect but it's spawned from a 4dr 4cyl, (the norm for a 3rd gen camry.)
That's just my area (Bay Area/San Jose) when you see a camry you know the guys is either at least over 39 and has family, or one dumb ass wannabe-ricer.

 

So if you wanted a faster/sportier version you could get the Solara? But I think Toyota discontinued the Solara so that's no longer an option.

 

tC or Celica is the current Toyota sport line up, but the Celica has recently/also been pulled off/discontinued. I miss the days where Toyota's whole line up was Sport Inspired. Supra, Celica, and Corolla. :disappoin

 

Yes, yes it does. Took me a while to realize that my car couldn't even run a high 15 second 1/4 mile time, but I eventually realized my car is the slowness.

 

Now I'm depressed again.