Personally I havent seen that many toyota owners (especially on this board) with new gen corollas that actually do any performance mods to them.
Few yes, but when you look at the honda crowd, well you see the difference pretty well. Mostly here its exhausts and cold air intakes...

 

theres a vid of one with the hydra ems and some boltons that claims to dyno near 200whp iirc, it sounds pretty sick too. they lowered the vvtli engagement point along with a full tune.

 

doesnt VVTLi operate all the time instead of having an engagement point?

Considering the european corolla has 198hp out of the 2ZZ-GE, getting 200whp isnt impossible.

 

Personally I havent seen that many toyota owners (especially on this board) with new gen corollas that actually do any performance mods to them.

that's prolly coz of warranty issues.


i dunno about "a few mods" on B series but it'll take a lot more to get to 200whp on a B16. maybe the B18C1 w/c is basically a modded engine already. K series is a whole different beast. the RSX Type-s is already 200hp so all you need is intake and exhaust and some other small bolt mod and you'll hit 200whp.

 

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/corolla+xrs/0/cf17c938-3684-4900-94a3-98630172cf8d.htm

finally, thers the video i was thinking of. 180whp NA isnt too shabby.

 

All of the following info is backed by SAE corrected dyno videos and graphs proof so there are no "possibilities" or "maybes" here.

You can even check newcelica.org dyno database to see dyno graphs and the corresponding output.

Yes, 200 WHP is doable. Although, mostly 2ZZ-GE modified and highly tuned engines these days are in the 190 WHP range.

In order to get it to 185 - 190 wheel HP (like the video posted above), the following mods are required:

Cold air intake, exhaust, flywheel, clutch, hydra EMS stand alone tuning with lift and VVT or Apexi PFC tuned from 5500 - 8700 rpm.

Remember, bonestock, Corolla XRS dynos between 150 - 152 whp.

Putting cold air intake and exhaust makes it dyno between 165 - 170 whp mainly because of stock intake box and exhaust being too restrictive for fuel economy and emissions reasons. This is one of the reasons why 2ZZ in Europe made more power in addition to different ECU.

Therefore, getting to 185 - 190 whp will require both VVT and lift tuning. Cheers.:thumbup:

 

I know all that does exist, but have there really been any 2ZZ-GE owners who have actually reached the magic 200whp mark?

Anything out there that is well documented?

 

iirc the supercharged 2zzge in the corolla compressor and exige S are around the 200whp mark.

 

iirc the supercharged 2zzge in the corolla compressor and exige S are around the 200whp mark.

LOL

Read the thread title, I said naturally aspirated setups, not boost :hammer:

 

I know all that does exist, but have there really been any 2ZZ-GE owners who have actually reached the magic 200whp mark?

Anything out there that is well documented?

Currently the most powerful N/A 2ZZ-GEs are in the 190 - 195 whp (230 - 235 crank HP N/A from a 1.8 liter engine with the flattest torque curve imaginable from 4000 rpm - 8700 rpm in 2500 - 2600 lbs car). So, no 200 WHP 2ZZ-GE N/A yet as far as I know.

However, turbocharged 2ZZ-GE are even up to 290 - 350 WHP.

Monkey Wrench Racing has a 505 WHP 2ZZ-GE with only low compression pistons swapped in. Everything else is bone stock down to the fuel rails and intake manifold etc.

 

LOL

Read the thread title, I said naturally aspirated setups, not boost :hammer:

i know, i was just mentioning them as they do make the stated power. FI may be what it takes to safely break 200WHP on the 2ZZ-GE

 

All I want is a 2ZZ that produces a N/A 200WHP that can be daily driven reliably as well as tracked on weekends. I don't want the hassles and headaches that come with turbo kits, superchargers or nitrous setups. I guess the sad reality is that I'm asking for the impossible here...

 

silver04rolla, I'd like to see a dynograph from an independent person, not a company.

 

silver04rolla, I'd like to see a dynograph from an independent person, not a company.

Sure. I am only talking from independent owner dynos stand point and not vendor dynos. I will post a few here tonight.

 

what were those 190-195whp cars running?

 

what were those 190-195whp cars running?

Intake/exhaust/clutch/flywheel/ported & polished header/bored throttle body/dyno tuning lift with Apexi PFC or Hydra EMS stand alone.

 

silver04, cool. I'm tired of seeing dynographs posted by people that are the same ones as the marketing for a certain manufacteurer uses. As most of them are blatant lies.

 

silver04, cool. I'm tired of seeing dynographs posted by people that are the same ones as the marketing for a certain manufacteurer uses. As most of them are blatant lies.

Totally agree. I will put them up here tonight. Some stocks one's and modded one's.

 

Intake/exhaust/clutch/flywheel/ported & polished header/bored throttle body/dyno tuning lift with Apexi PFC or Hydra EMS stand alone.

so what about cams and/or high comp. pistons?

 

So here are some dynos done by various 05 and 06 Corolla XRS owners with different setups including thread on matrixowners.com for a tuned Corolla XRS putting out 183 whp (video posted above). This should give a good idea of what the numbers are for XRS 2ZZ:


Bonestock Corolla XRS 3 pulls with 2nd at ~150 WHP SAE corrected:

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/3994/toyotaguydynoal3.jpg


XRS with intake only at 163 WHP SAE:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/264/mikes05xrskp4.jpg


Corolla XRS with intake/exhaust dyno at 171 WHP:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4099/potterdynomd5.jpg


Another XRS with intake/exhaust at 172 WHP:

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/94/06xrsdynogb4.gif


Video of XRS with intake/exhaust dyno at 171 WHP:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/b56a6f6c-88a8-4ac2-b9cf-98200134ab7d.htm


Thread at matrixowners.com on Corolla XRS with race header, intake and exhaust at 178 WHP:

http://matrixowners.com/forums/Race-Header-Results-Dyno-Inside-t61614.html


Thread at matrixowners.com for hydra tuned 183 whp XRS by MWR and dyno result picture. Same guy put video of intake/exhaust with 171 WHP above. This XRS I believe now is close to 190 WHP with some additional mods:

http://matrixowners.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=60070


Cheers.:thumbup:

 

Currently the most powerful N/A 2ZZ-GEs are in the 190 - 195 whp (230 - 235 crank HP N/A from a 1.8 liter engine .....

Why do people always talk about crank/flywheel Hp.

And why do you feel the need to exaggerate it so much. There is no way you could loose 40hp through the drive train.

And of course 200hp is possible. If the original poster is actually serious, go talk to an engine builder/performance shop.

 

Why do people always talk about crank/flywheel Hp.

And why do you feel the need to exaggerate it so much. There is no way you could loose 40hp through the drive train.

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For some reason, people understand crank HP much better than WHP at dynos since all cars are rated at crank HP from factory. Dyno WHP requires understanding of what powertrain loss means.

I don't feel it is exaggerated if you consider approx. From what I know, 15% powertrain loss on FWD cars is very typical. It comes out to be 35 HP. I may be wrong.

 

And of course 200hp is possible. If the original poster is actually serious, go talk to an engine builder/performance shop.

I would if I could, but there aren't many local shops here that possess much knowledge regarding Toyota tuning. Since this is already a Toyota board, then common sense tells me that you guys should be more knowledgeable about topics like these.

I'm curious to know of the true full tuning capability of the 2ZZ-GE engine and since it's already a few years old, I'd figure that someone would already have accomplished what myself am contemplating for a 2ZZ-powered car if I ever do buy one.

 

So far I only know of one 2zz that has broken 200 whp n/a but i think there was something fishy about it. It had a i/h/e/tb/cams/tune and maybe more i can't remember, it was a newcelica.org member who was one of the first to try out a set of ragnorak racing stg1 or 2 cams but they went out of business. I'll look for a link for that car, (00-01 GTS) and another close one was another newcelica member with 194whp with i/h/e and one hell of a tune.

 

So far I only know of one 2zz that has broken 200 whp n/a but i think there was something fishy about it. It had a i/h/e/tb/cams/tune and maybe more i can't remember, it was a newcelica.org member who was one of the first to try out a set of ragnorak racing stg1 or 2 cams but they went out of business. I'll look for a link for that car, (00-01 GTS) and another close one was another newcelica member with 194whp with i/h/e and one hell of a tune.

Good to see another 2ZZ-GE owner. Great looking Celica. Any mods on your GT-S yet??

Piper has new cams out for 2ZZ-GE being sold by Monkey Wrench Racing, but so far I have not seen any drastic HP gains from those cams.

BTW, You have the best year for Celica GTS (2000, 2001) since you got the 8400 rpm rev limit, cable throttle so you can easily use Apexi PFC.