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2012 Camry - 6.1" Lower End Navigation VS. 7" Premium HDD Navigation

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#1 ·
Hey everyone. This is my first post here. Here it goes:

I'll start with a little background. I live in New York and I currently own a 2010 Toyota Prius which I'm itching to get out of. It's a great car, but I have a few gripes (which I won't get into now unless someone responds that they are curious) that have made me regret the purchase pretty much since I bought it back in March of 2010.

I have always liked the Camry and have been waiting a while for the 2012 to be released. Now that it has I'd really like to trade in my Prius and get a 2012 Camry. Because my Prius is fully loaded (leather, heated seats, navigation, backup camera, push button start, etc.) I'm really only interested in a Camry XLE with all the options. Here's where my decision gets a bit difficult.

Originally I was only interested in the Camry XLE 4-cylinder model, as I feel the V6 is both unnecessary and a bit more of a gas guzzler (I am coming out of a hybrid after all). However, when I went to the dealer a few days ago I sat in the XLE V6 (they had no 4-cylinder models on the lot at the time) and I was in awe of the Premium HDD Navigation System. It was at a much much much higher resolution than my 2010 Prius' nav screen and it looked absolutely gorgeous, and its speed and responsiveness, due to it being hard drive-based rather than DVD-based, was unbelievable. My enthusiasm was short-lived as the sales person then told me that only the XLE V6 model comes with the option for the premium HDD unit.

This may sound like a stupid question but does it make sense to consider paying more and getting the XLE V6 model (having no real interest in the increased horsepower) just so that I can get the Premium HDD unit? I've been scouring the internet and I'm finding a surprising lack of information concerning the differences between the two navigation setups that are offered. If someone could break down the differences between the 6.1" low end nav unit and the 7" premium HDD unit I'd really appreciate it. The sales person was of no help as she didn't seem very knowledgable and the dealership had no Camry's equipped with the 6.1" units for me to see in person. I have a pretty poor sense of direction and I take a lot of road trips; this is why I consider the navigation system so important, and the prospect of getting one with a larger screen, sharper resolution, and more responsiveness is very appealing to me. I truly do use it all the time.

Also on a side note, I was pretty surprised at how flexible the dealership was with the pricing of the 2012 Camry. With very little negotiation on my part they came down $3,000 on both the XLE and XLE V6. I'm able to get the XLE V6 with the Premium HDD package (MSRP: $33,300) for $30,000. I've bought and sold 6 cars in the last 10 years and I find this a little odd, though I'm certainly not complaining. It's just strange that they would be so negotiable on such a new model. I'm curious to know if anyone else has had similar experience with purchasing the 2012 Camry.

Thanks!
 
#3 ·
A Camry XLE Hybrid is also available with the Premium HDD if you want to go that route.

Display Audio:

  • Flash-based
  • smaller and lower resolution screen
  • non-Toyota interface (with regards to nav. It also looks Garmin-ish)
  • traffic based on RDS-TMC (so no subscription needed)
  • Album art display

Premium HDD:

  • HDD-based (probably more detailed maps and more POIs)
  • 7" high resolution screen w/ split-screen capability (e.g. audio + nav)
  • Familiar Toyota interface (Denso-built)
  • XM Data Services including traffic, weather, sports, stocks. 3-year free trial
  • Tire pressure monitoring display (4 wheels only, no spare tire pressure)
  • DVD playback capabililty
  • No music storage

Personally, I felt that the Display Audio had quicker responses to the my touch but the graphics are a step down. The high res screen w/ split screen is great but I don't like the fact that when I pay to get the "premium" nav system, I also have to pay for XM services after the trial (while it's free for those that stuck with the DA unit). It makes no sense.
 
#4 · (Edited)
Hmm that's interesting. I didn't realize the DA unit is flash-based. That would actually make it quicker and more durable/reliable than the premium HDD unit due to a lack of moving parts. I was under the impression the DA option was DVD-based. Are you certain that it is flash-based?

Also, if you're familiar with the DVD-based 7" navigation system on the 2010 Prius (pretty much the same system as all 2010 Toyotas with nav), would you say that the Display Audio unit is a step up in terms of graphics, features, usability, etc., or is it a step down?
 
#5 ·
I have the 6.1" nav and I have no regrets. Sure it isn't a huge screen and sure it doesn't play DVDs. But, it does not look cheap by any stretch of the imagination (unless in 3D mode) and it functions perfectly. The display and interface is intuitive and works very well. The graphics are top notch in my opinion, except again in 3D mode.

My only gripe with the unit is the 3D mode which looks very "garmin ish" as it was referred to earlier, and the fact that I can't enter a destination on the move. You have to be under 5 MPH which is incredibly annoying. I think it is standard for most every factory nav unit though.

Finally, I think you have to take into account the fact that both are "app based" which means that it's most likely upgradeable and will have updates available over time. I would even say that people may be able to develop "hacks" to get video playback on your iPod. Anything is possible these days gentlemen...

Nick
 
#6 ·
The "3D" mode is actually 2.5D like all other PNDs use. Just switch it to 2D, looks better. You can enter destinations using the voice commands on both systems.

Adding some additional items:

DA:
- Traffic (Inrix), Gas Prices, Weather, Stocks, Sports are all through ENTUNE.
- Has some added VR controls over the HDD, i.e. you can tune to a radio station.
- Can enter a destination in VR with one big phrase.

HDD:
- Can enter a destination in VR in steps (State, City...).
- No need to plug in iPhone for ENTUNE.
- More natural sounding voice for guidance, text message read back, etc.
- JBL speaker system combination.