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2017 Highlander - No electricity/dead battery for minutes when idling, maybe auto start/stop failure?

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#1 ·
I have a 2017 Highlander with the Auto Start/Stop. Currently, it will sometimes go completely dead while in park or when idling, like at a stop light. Completely dead meaning zero electricity - no lights, no ability to unlock doors, no ability to roll down windows, nothing. This will last 2 seconds to 15 minutes. The only codes it throws is P0116 and P011B, but sometimes it will happen with no codes. My mechanic is stumped. My suspicion is that the start/stop is malfunctioning and, for now, I turn off the Auto Start/Stop every time I get in the vehicle.

More backstory: starting in March I was letting the car sit for weeks at a time due to quarantining. Many times, the battery would be dead when I got in and we would have to jump it. Auto shop tested the battery and found it to be fine. No codes. It got progressively worse until it might only be sitting for 12 hours and need to be jumped, until it eventually became so dead it could not be jumped. The battery was then deemed bad (tested bad and could not be charged) and had to be replaced. So, these new 'dying while idling' issues are happening with a 2 month old battery. The connections have been looked at, the new battery tested.

More specific stories on recent 'deaths': I had driven 2 hours straight and was in park in a parking lot, when the electricity cut out completely for almost 15 minutes. I did nothing to make it come back on other than test the start button every few minutes. It then worked fine the rest of the day. A couple days after that, I was idling in a drive-through when everything cut off for maybe 2 seconds, and then came back on again. After that, the P0116 and P011B codes came up and the dash flashed with "check engine/visit your dealer/Check AWD system" and it was fine the rest of the day. I have been idling at at stop light and it cut out for 2 minutes, which was very unnerving and caused me to hear many people's horns and selective fingers.

I have read about start/stop creating a slow drain on the battery and causing some people to have to repeatedly replace batteries until they installed the aftermarket disable switch. I have also seen that the 2020 start/stop has been recalled. The only common thread to when it dies is that it is a time when the auto start/stop might logically cut the engine. Instead, it cuts EVERYTHING (maybe?). I have not taken it to my local dealership for this, as they are notoriously awful to deal with. Has anyone else experienced this or have any other ideas to chase? Thanks in advance!
 
#2 ·
That's CRAZY, I've never heard of anything like that before.
If you disable the S/S manually does the vehicle still behave this way even when it has been disabled?
This sure does not sound like anything related to S/S especially because S/S will disable itself for any one of like a dozen reasons, Brake pedal not pushed hard enough, stopped on a large hill, steering wheel not centered, battery voltage low, AC or Heat turned up really high, engine coolant temp is too hot or too cold, seat belt is not buckled, etc.....
 
#15 ·
Check this thread, if you tend to leave your key fob within range of the car...
I remove the fob from the car - it is not in range. Unless you count when I'm at a stop light or parked, then yes the fob is in the car.
 
#4 ·
Check this thread, if you tend to leave your key fob within range of the car...
 
#10 ·
That attests to the quality of the battery and not that it's deep cycle battery.

My brother-in-law owns a smallish Cabin Cruiser with an Inboard engine. Before he retired he could only get out on it 4-5 times a year..,.and every time it had to be jumped. Deep-cycle batteries are designed for that. He kept the boat for 6 years and never changed the battery. Bought a new bigger boat when he retired.
 
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#13 ·
FWIW, I had a deep-cycle in my boat and fully discharged it by inadvertently leaving the radio on. It seemed like after that I could never get it to recharge fully on the battery charger, (full-charge light never came on).
 
#22 ·
I have a 2017 Highlander with the Auto Start/Stop. Currently, it will sometimes go completely dead while in park or when idling, like at a stop light. Completely dead meaning zero electricity - no lights, no ability to unlock doors, no ability to roll down windows, nothing. This will last 2 seconds to 15 minutes. The only codes it throws is P0116 and P011B, but sometimes it will happen with no codes. My mechanic is stumped. My suspicion is that the start/stop is malfunctioning and, for now, I turn off the Auto Start/Stop every time I get in the vehicle.

More backstory: starting in March I was letting the car sit for weeks at a time due to quarantining. Many times, the battery would be dead when I got in and we would have to jump it. Auto shop tested the battery and found it to be fine. No codes. It got progressively worse until it might only be sitting for 12 hours and need to be jumped, until it eventually became so dead it could not be jumped. The battery was then deemed bad (tested bad and could not be charged) and had to be replaced. So, these new 'dying while idling' issues are happening with a 2 month old battery. The connections have been looked at, the new battery tested.

More specific stories on recent 'deaths': I had driven 2 hours straight and was in park in a parking lot, when the electricity cut out completely for almost 15 minutes. I did nothing to make it come back on other than test the start button every few minutes. It then worked fine the rest of the day. A couple days after that, I was idling in a drive-through when everything cut off for maybe 2 seconds, and then came back on again. After that, the P0116 and P011B codes came up and the dash flashed with "check engine/visit your dealer/Check AWD system" and it was fine the rest of the day. I have been idling at at stop light and it cut out for 2 minutes, which was very unnerving and caused me to hear many people's horns and selective fingers.

I have read about start/stop creating a slow drain on the battery and causing some people to have to repeatedly replace batteries until they installed the aftermarket disable switch. I have also seen that the 2020 start/stop has been recalled. The only common thread to when it dies is that it is a time when the auto start/stop might logically cut the engine. Instead, it cuts EVERYTHING (maybe?). I have not taken it to my local dealership for this, as they are notoriously awful to deal with. Has anyone else experienced this or have any other ideas to chase? Thanks in advance!
This has happened to me to my wife’s 2019 Toyota Highlander. We just bought it certified used less than a year ago and yesterday on my way to work it died at a stop light right when the light turned green. No power. Completely dead. Couldn’t turn on my hazard lights so people were honking and giving me looks while trying to get by me. Gears were stuck. Couldn’t shift gears. Was waiting for a tow truck for 30 minutes but never came. A cop came up beside me and told me to go. I signaled to him with my hand cutting my neck saying it was dead so he pulled in front of me and came to check out my car. I told him what was going on and he was completely baffled. He popped the hood checked the battery. He asked if he could jump in the car and I said ok. This was while cars were wizzing right by us on a busy road. Then all of a sudden everything came back on. The cop was like wow this is weird. He told me to get it checked and I agreed and we both got out of there when the light turned green. This was the 3rd time it happened and the longest time. Another time it happened at a drive thru. My wife and I were stuck for a couple minutes and there was a car behind us but when I jumped out to check the engine my wife said the car powered back on. I scheduled an appointment this morning at the dealer. We will see what they say. I think it has something to do with the auto/stop also. Hopefully they will figure out what’s going on.
 
#26 ·
I have a 2017 Highlander with the Auto Start/Stop. Currently, it will sometimes go completely dead while in park or when idling, like at a stop light. Completely dead meaning zero electricity - no lights, no ability to unlock doors, no ability to roll down windows, nothing. This will last 2 seconds to 15 minutes. The only codes it throws is P0116 and P011B, but sometimes it will happen with no codes. My mechanic is stumped. My suspicion is that the start/stop is malfunctioning and, for now, I turn off the Auto Start/Stop every time I get in the vehicle.

More backstory: starting in March I was letting the car sit for weeks at a time due to quarantining. Many times, the battery would be dead when I got in and we would have to jump it. Auto shop tested the battery and found it to be fine. No codes. It got progressively worse until it might only be sitting for 12 hours and need to be jumped, until it eventually became so dead it could not be jumped. The battery was then deemed bad (tested bad and could not be charged) and had to be replaced. So, these new 'dying while idling' issues are happening with a 2 month old battery. The connections have been looked at, the new battery tested.

More specific stories on recent 'deaths': I had driven 2 hours straight and was in park in a parking lot, when the electricity cut out completely for almost 15 minutes. I did nothing to make it come back on other than test the start button every few minutes. It then worked fine the rest of the day. A couple days after that, I was idling in a drive-through when everything cut off for maybe 2 seconds, and then came back on again. After that, the P0116 and P011B codes came up and the dash flashed with "check engine/visit your dealer/Check AWD system" and it was fine the rest of the day. I have been idling at at stop light and it cut out for 2 minutes, which was very unnerving and caused me to hear many people's horns and selective fingers.

I have read about start/stop creating a slow drain on the battery and causing some people to have to repeatedly replace batteries until they installed the aftermarket disable switch. I have also seen that the 2020 start/stop has been recalled. The only common thread to when it dies is that it is a time when the auto start/stop might logically cut the engine. Instead, it cuts EVERYTHING (maybe?). I have not taken it to my local dealership for this, as they are notoriously awful to deal with. Has anyone else experienced this or have any other ideas to chase? Thanks in advance!
Did you ever find the problem. This is what I found recently on a 2018 highlander
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