I get 40mpg all summer long. Its dropped to 36-37 now that it is cold. I do a 320 mile trip 5 days a week.

 

Welcome to the site!

As many have stated, there are numerous variables. You will always get poorer performance in the city, but you have that history with your previous car. The Camry is a heavy car, and this model has a different transmission than your prior one. I have not been in the new Gen Camry's: is there an Eco mode you can shift into? Are you in performance/power/sport mode?

I presume this is a very new car, as in the first few tanks. It is still breaking in. The vehicle needs to learn and adjust to your driving, and the fuel you are getting may have higher ethanol now due to winter. Your mileage sounds about normal to me for a Camry - maybe a few mpg lower than some but again, so many things can make that 2-3 mpg delta. Take a long road trip, put on cruise control, and keep it in the 70 or so mph range and see how you do on a tank. Remember that the computer is averaging the history of mileage so do the simple calcs with how many gallons you think you put in (do not keep filling after it clicks off) against the odo reading, and do that for a few tanks.


In a Camry? City driving? I drove my '09 I4 for a decade, most all of it highway speeds at 100 miles a day (granted there were serious grade changes), and never, ever got anywhere close to that mileage. Even on my 1,000 mile road trips with cruise control on straight flat highways I never got that kind of mileage.

 

Seems low for an I4. My V6 gets those numbers…

Hard to tell from just the snapshot, but what kind of terrain are you driving? What is your driving style? How much of that is city driving percentage wise? These all factor in to the average MPG you’re seeing.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

Thank you for your reply, I am driving normal terrain in Virginia nothing crazy honestly I am in Northern Virginia close to DC. I would say I drive 75% city and remaining highway.

I'm getting that driving around town in our '18 LE. Unless you can get up to speed on the highway and stay there, you won't see those numbers up in the 40s.

thank you for your reply, so you think this is normal ? but I am thinking to bring this up to my dealership to see if there is anything they can do. I really can not accept this low MPG on a new car as my previous 2012 Camry gave me much better MPG honestly.

There are too many factors to determine your unique case: ambient temperature, tire inflation pressure, speed driven on highway, amount of stop and go, time spent idling, are you a lead foot, are you maxing out the payload rating, is a winter blend gas being used, . . .

How does the current mileage compare to the last few tanks? This may be the better indicator if something is wrong.

Thank you for your reply, no I have not put any special gas I use regular gas. Tire pressure was checked and it is around 35 across all tires as for payload it is me alone who drive the car 99% percent the car is empty as I have other cars to drive around with my family this is only for me to drive alone.

Yes stop is go is alot for the most part since the drive is is 75% in the city and remaining highway but still based on the the numbers regardless shouldn't it give me 28 MPG in the city? I am mean let alone my city and highway combined is lower than 28.

I just took this picture, this time it will barely hit 400 miles after full tank. I think this is unacceptable based on IF all the conditions are true which you listed above right?

For a car which is 0 extra payload driven like a turtle yet won't meet 400 miles after full tank lol

And welcome to the forum.

Thank you.

 

I'm getting that driving around town in our '18 LE. Unless you can get up to speed on the highway and stay there, you won't see those numbers up in the 40s.

 

There are too many factors to determine your unique case: ambient temperature, tire inflation pressure, speed driven on highway, amount of stop and go, time spent idling, are you a lead foot, are you maxing out the payload rating, is a winter blend gas being used, . . .

How does the current mileage compare to the last few tanks? This may be the better indicator if something is wrong.

And welcome to the forum.

 

I was getting about 30 combination driving when I got my 2022 SE AWD in October. Now I get 24.5 mpg. It is completely the cold weather to blame. My F150 also drops off significantly in the winter. The shorter your trips, the worse the mileage. Wait until spring and see what you get.

 

thank you for your reply, so you think this is normal ? but I am thinking to bring this up to my dealership to see if there is anything they can do. I really can not accept this low MPG on a new car as my previous 2012 Camry gave me much better MPG honestly.

Yes, I would think it's normal. Also, if you're using your older Camry as your benchmark, the fuel tank in the newer Camry is a few (possibly several) gallons smaller.

We had a '92 DLX manual for 22 years. It got about 22-25 mpg driving around town and 31-33 on the highway. We got just over 600 miles on a tank once while driving through Texas, but we were on fumes when we pulled into the gas station.

Our gen 8 Camry could get right at 700 miles out of a tank thanks to its 45+ highway mileage. If you haven't gotten yours on the open road yet, just wait. You'll be amazed at how efficient these cars are on the highway.

Stopping, starting, slowing, and accelerating all take their toll on gas mileage. Once you get out of town and can keep moving, that's when you can get the most out of these engines.

 

In a Camry? City driving? I drove my '09 I4 for a decade, most all of it highway speeds at 100 miles a day (granted there were serious grade changes), and never, ever got anywhere close to that mileage. Even on my 1,000 mile road trips with cruise control on straight flat highways I never got that kind of mileage.

40mpg is normal with extended highway driving in the gen 8 Camry with the new I4 engine (A25A-FKS). It is much more efficient than the 2AZ-FE in the ‘09.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

I would be getting horrible mileage if I drove 100% city. Where I'm at it all hills with stops signs and lights at every other intersection. I'm getting about 34-35 overall but if I was solely driving in my city I'd be getting much worse than what you're getting, probably low 20's is my guess. I notice that if I drive one day only in the city my mileage will drop significantly.

 

Normal. If you want better city mpg get the hybrid instead.

 

Yes, that is what the plan is once the market settles down I will trade this in as I totally hate the 8-speed shift too much hesitation and hunting for gears it's no fun.

Unfortunately and honestly I simply hate this generation, I just can't wait to trade it in.

 

City driving is your answer. It just blows away gas mileage period. For the life of me I can’t see how anyone is getting 40 on the road. Maby downhill both ways. I have gotten 35 but that’s it and it dropped right back the minute we got off the highway. I’d never call it representative.
With today’s synthetic oils it just might be that yours isn’t fully worn in. You likely will get slightly better mileage in a while. I wouldn’t count on a huge improvement though .
The big overlooked problem is often a dragging brake. It’s not likely at your mileage as it’s more likely as a 50-60k issue but like anything else it’s always a possibility. When you park the car get out and quickly feel the brake caliper housing. They all should be a bit warm or even hot but they shouldn’t brand [emoji91]your finger instantly. They all should be about the same temperature to the touch. If ones dragging the difference should be noticeable without buying a touch less thermometer.
My daughter once bought a Chevy Cavalier used. When it started eating wheel bearings I soon discovered they never put any seals on at the plant[emoji50]‍[emoji100]. Not likely at Toyota but something like a guy failing to lube a slide pin on a brake caliper could happen.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

As you talk about total miles per tank as opposed to MPG, please consider the following:

I do believe that the gas tank on this generation is smaller than previous generations.

 

In a Camry? City driving? I drove my '09 I4 for a decade, most all of it highway speeds at 100 miles a day (granted there were serious grade changes), and never, ever got anywhere close to that mileage. Even on my 1,000 mile road trips with cruise control on straight flat highways I never got that kind of mileage.

Yep, 36.9 mpg as I pulled into home today. But It was 18F last night while I was driving.

 

Once the engine is fully warmed up the mileage doesn't suffer so much in the cold weather, for example on a longer trip. The typical 10 mile commute will kill mileage in cold weather however.

 

26mpg = 9L/100KM (Canada here), that's pretty good if it's 75% city driving.
I get 10 or 11L/100 KM if crawling in traffic.

you want good MPG, you'll have to do long drives without traffic lights. It's stop and go that kills it. Certainly not something worth brining up to the dealer. They will tell you it's normal. I know you are comparing with you other car, but it's still a different car. You'd have to compare with the same engine to have a case with the dealership.

 

I talked to the son in law with the 19 SXE I mentioned before. His got poor mileage about like the OP. His had the slip jerk tranny issue very bad as well as the fuel pump recall. He said he never dared pull out with someone coming as it sometimes jerked so bad it almost stalled then finally slammed in , ( sounds like fuel pump to me).[emoji848]
When they did the recall and pump for some reason his( identical car ) was getting around 30 +- from his prior 25-26 he’d gotten for a year over the same route. What the dealer actually did beyond fuel pump tranny flash I dont know as nothing was noted on the paperwork. Your 21 model shouldn’t have the fuel pump issue though IIRC [emoji848].

 

I talked to the son in law with the 19 SXE I mentioned before. His got poor mileage about like the OP. His had the slip jerk tranny issue very bad as well as the fuel pump recall. He said he never dared pull out with someone coming as it sometimes jerked so bad it almost stalled then finally slammed in , ( sounds like fuel pump to me).[emoji848]

That is the transmission programming and has nothing to do with the fuel pump. He needs to have TSB-0152-19 applied.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10173797-9999.pdf

 

Maybe the fuel where you are is a winter blend.Here in Canada they change over mid October and gas mileage drops at least 10-20 percent vs summer fuel.Not sure where you live but from your dic display I see 17 F.

 

Hi I got the same problem I just buy a 2022 Toyota Camry LE and this in insane for the full tank i oy get it 300miles my car is new like i show in the picture,only have 1260 miles but the mpg is 11mpg ,Any help for this problem

 

First visit to the dealership they did a diagnostic and found nothing wrong but said I have to come back for a calibration because the person who does it was out.. On my second visit, my adviser said another toyota hybrid different make had the same mpg issues as my 21 LE and she found a software update which maybe got me two more mpg. I called back and they connected me with the shop manager instead of her and he gave me the blow off speech claiming that epa mpg is over exaggerated and there is nothing wrong with my car because there is no engine light on! Then he claimed it was because different variables etc but I have tested it with different variables eco mode, lower altitudes, cruise control etc and not really and difference. 40 to 43 mpg is what I'm getting and the estimated mpg is 51 to 53. People claim to get 50 to 59 on their LE.

 

I get around 33-35 average in the winter and 38-40 in the summer (I even average way over 40 sometimes).
A few things that can really affect your mpg is tires. Quality tires will get better MPG.
Another thing is understanding the throttle. I notice that if I drive even 5% more aggressively I go from 40MPG to 20. This engine requires you to really feel the limit of the throttle and find the most efficient position for your foot at all times.
Try driving with cruise control everywhere and see if the car does a better job than your foot.

But if you are doing 25% city or more, you aren't going to get over 30. That is just a fact. Its only efficient when you do mostly highway like me (90%+).

 

Thanks for answer i will test driven with the cruise control,also the car only give 280 miles for a full tank,you think this is normal.

 

Forgot one thing. Disconnect your battery when you are done with the car for the day, let it sit over night and then plug the battery back up (don't worry you won't get shocked or anything, if you are worried wear some gloves). The car is going to be a bit wonky once you turn it on and you might need to reset your power windows, but this should completely wipe the ECU and reset all fuel and timing trims and start you from zero.

 

Thank i will do it tonight, the car only have 1808 miles

 

I have a 2021 Camry LE, 2.5L, 8-Speed Automatic.

I get roughly close to 400 miles with full tank, I feel like this is not right as my previous generation Camrys were much fuel efficient than this one. This car has almost 8k miles and I am getting less than 28 miles combined city and highway.

I just wanted to check with you guys to see if this is normal or is something wrong with the car? I find it odd that these numbers don't impress me.

As for my driving I don't drive crazy so that should not be a factor.

View attachment 366802
View attachment 366803

Unless you do a lot of idling you should be getting good milage. I get 35-40 in my '21 SE. If you drove that same trip in a Camry older than 2018 those numbers would be even lower.

 

Fuel mileage will vary based on your driving habits. I manage nearly 38mpg average out of my 2019 xse 2.5 but I have 75% highway driving and I keep the car in eco mode 24/7.
1) Make sure your tires are up to pressure, your COLD inflation pressure should be 35 PSI on all 4 wheels UNLESS your tire has a higher max PSI limit (most tires are around 50PSI max, but if you have a 60PSI max tire you can easily inflate it to 40PSI cold). For every drop in PSI you lose about 0.5 MPG, especially in the winter.
2) Make sure you run the correct oil (toyota or mobile 1 0w16/0w20).
3) I guess don't mash the throttle? I mean, I use the little fuel usage indicator all the time to correct my foot to save gas.

 

These cars really can get insane MPG this new gen Camry is great im getting almost 35 average in my 21 XSE V6 30 miles highway and about 25 miles off highway driving one way for work its great. And this was at 26 degrees outside

 

Do you realize that Toyota and all other automotive manufacturers determine MPG while running the engine in a controlled environment and at a regulated speed? It is not even placed inside the vehicle's engine bay. The temperature is constant, the engine is level to the ground with no incline or decline, and the mph is controlled. They run the engine(s) for hours with a known amount of fuel. They do not drive a vehicle in Real-World conditions for MPG. This is why people are obtaining good or bad MPG in their vehicles because of their driving habits plus How the Engine is assembled. Then again, like humans, they can be identical but both will never be constant, or perform, the same way.
You can get a vehicle with above, equal to, or below MPG as no 2 engines are alike and no 2 people drive exactly the same.

The window sticker on my 2023 Toyota Camry XSE V6 indicates 22 City/ 32 Highway with 26 MPG average. It is a LIE, I estimate the best I can for the percentage of driving City and Highway.
City is between 16.8 to 18.1 and Highway is between 25.4 to 28.9, my average is between 22 to 24.7 mpg. The instrument cluster Gas Nozzle symbol has 20.9 mpg next to it.
So the computer indicates I get 20.9 mpg average. That means I can travel 332 miles per 15.8-gallon tank of gas. Today, Jan. 3, 2024, regular is $3.309 times 15.8 gal = $52.28. To drive 332 miles is $0.0635 "6" cents per mile. When the price of gasoline increases, it will cost me more.
I have never once Reset the A or B Trip meters.
Therefore, I am getting less in City and Highway and that makes the Average less. I am not getting 22 City/32 Highway nor 26mpg average.
I have driven the Highway completely a few times traveling 106 miles (212 miles round trip) and did manage to get a high of 30.4 mpg.

As of January 2024, Allstate Auto Insurance Rates have gone up 18 Percent in New York State.

"This issue goes back to 2021 when inflation started out of being over 9% Allstate and other companies filed for rate increases there were over the 5% rate increase that New York State allows without any state approval in the beginning of 2022. The New York State Insurance Department declined any insurance company to take a rating increase of more than the 5% that the state allows without approval. In the fourth quarter of 2022, Allstate filed for an 18% rate increase due to the rapid increase of auto repairs and medical costs and the state only approved a 9% for Allstate and most of the large companies that are doing business in New York for example State Farm, GEICO, and progressive while some of the smaller companies were able to take larger rate increases. In the middle of the first quarter of 2023, Allstate showed they took a half of a billion dollars loss in the state of New York and after they made this announcement Allstate restricted their new business guidelines to try to help offset these losses such as zero claims in three years to having prior insurance to be two years continuous and no longer writing anybody that has a Kia or Hyundai from 2011 to 2021. Since then, Allstate has continued to restrict more of its underwriting to now clients have to have five years of continuous coverage with a preferred company and as of late November Allstate we were told as agents that New York State makes up 8% of the premium that Allstate collects countrywide but the percentage of money being paid out on claims is 35% of revenue for Allstate countrywide. Allstate is not the only company that has been dealing with this and they are trying not to be like other companies like Kemper that are pulling out of the state of New York. Just two weeks ago the state approved a rate increase that you see at your current renewal."

 

Do you realize that Toyota and all other automotive manufacturers determine MPG while running the engine in a controlled environment and at a regulated speed? It is not even placed inside the vehicle's engine bay. The temperature is constant, the engine is level to the ground with no incline or decline, and the mph is controlled. They run the engine(s) for hours with a known amount of fuel. They do not drive a vehicle in Real-World conditions for MPG. This is why people are obtaining good or bad MPG in their vehicles because of their driving habits plus How the Engine is assembled. Then again, like humans, they can be identical but both will never be constant, or perform, the same way.
You can get a vehicle with above, equal to, or below MPG as no 2 engines are alike and no 2 people drive exactly the same.

The window sticker on my 2023 Toyota Camry XSE V6 indicates 22 City/ 32 Highway with 26 MPG average. It is a LIE, I estimate the best I can for the percentage of driving City and Highway.
City is between 16.8 to 18.1 and Highway is between 25.4 to 28.9, my average is between 22 to 24.7 mpg. The instrument cluster Gas Nozzle symbol has 20.9 mpg next to it.
So the computer indicates I get 20.9 mpg average. That means I can travel 332 miles per 15.8-gallon tank of gas. Today, Jan. 3, 2024, regular is $3.309 times 15.8 gal = $52.28. To drive 332 miles is $0.0635 "6" cents per mile. When the price of gasoline increases, it will cost me more.
I have never once Reset the A or B Trip meters.
Therefore, I am getting less in City and Highway and that makes the Average less. I am not getting 22 City/32 Highway nor 26mpg average.
I have driven the Highway completely a few times traveling 106 miles (212 miles round trip) and did manage to get a high of 30.4 mpg.

As of January 2024, Allstate Auto Insurance Rates have gone up 18 Percent in New York State.

"This issue goes back to 2021 when inflation started out of being over 9% Allstate and other companies filed for rate increases there were over the 5% rate increase that New York State allows without any state approval in the beginning of 2022. The New York State Insurance Department declined any insurance company to take a rating increase of more than the 5% that the state allows without approval. In the fourth quarter of 2022, Allstate filed for an 18% rate increase due to the rapid increase of auto repairs and medical costs and the state only approved a 9% for Allstate and most of the large companies that are doing business in New York for example State Farm, GEICO, and progressive while some of the smaller companies were able to take larger rate increases. In the middle of the first quarter of 2023, Allstate showed they took a half of a billion dollars loss in the state of New York and after they made this announcement Allstate restricted their new business guidelines to try to help offset these losses such as zero claims in three years to having prior insurance to be two years continuous and no longer writing anybody that has a Kia or Hyundai from 2011 to 2021. Since then, Allstate has continued to restrict more of its underwriting to now clients have to have five years of continuous coverage with a preferred company and as of late November Allstate we were told as agents that New York State makes up 8% of the premium that Allstate collects countrywide but the percentage of money being paid out on claims is 35% of revenue for Allstate countrywide. Allstate is not the only company that has been dealing with this and they are trying not to be like other companies like Kemper that are pulling out of the state of New York. Just two weeks ago the state approved a rate increase that you see at your current renewal."

Absolutely false. The engines are tested in the vehicle on a dynamometer, but yes it's in a lab with controlled conditions that simulate real world driving. But just because you can't achieve those advertised numbers has nothing to do with the car not being able to get those numbers of it being a lie. It means, like you said, your driving habits are not condusive to achieving that mpg. I have absolutely no problem getting the advertised mpg.

What's your point? Insurance rates have absolutely nothing to do with MPG. That's called being in an insurance loss market, just like in Las Vegas. They are businesses, and that's how it works when costs rise and you want to stay in business. Insurance companies were further hurt by the pandemic and loss of drivers due to work from home and other changes we now live with. And just like you say the state insurance board had to approve the requested rate hikes. Furthermore I can almost bet you that 18% was mostly confined to NYC and the surrounding Five Burroughs, where most the claims occur, and that other areas were less effected. At the same time Allstate recorded a record $14b in earnings. Costs of repairing everything has risen.