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I thought you were talking about this F22 when I read the title

 

Whatever it is, it's barely as strong as the 5sfe pulling the Camry's weight.

 

i've always wondered why there is so much aftermarket support for honda than toyota. the sad thing is that its like this for pretty much all of toyota and honda lineups. i cannot understand why there are more aftermarket parts for an accord than a camry. it really seems like if you drive a honda, you have your own endless choice of mods while we toyota guys are stuck with trd - if the parts we need exist - or some super expensive brand because nobody else makes it but them. its really sad.

 

same for my V6

 

Let me guess, they put that on a 90' honda civic chassis - extreme light weight. It sure took off fast with whatever engine u swap on.

 

It's pretty sad when a stock 98-01 honda accord 4cyl manual can beat a v6 accord and our 5sfe gets left in the dust

 

Its even more sad for the owner of the V6 accord. However this would never happen with the 98-99 V6s. They are a bit quicker than 00-02. Also when swapped with 6speed tranny, the car is a totally different animal. It should have come from the factory like that! I just seems like Honda is a bit more lazy with their V6 drivetrains compared to their I4s:disappoin

BTW lets not even get started on the 95-97 V6 Accords:ugh3:

 

lol i was expecting a top gear like race camry 5s vs f22 raptor... i was ready to just ask why

 

since we are on the topic of limited mods for a camry, i have some questions about the choice of mods for a camry. i've been driving an 97 i-4 camry sedan for about 2 weeks now and i have to say its a pretty solid car. my previous car was an 1987 corolla sedan (ae83) that has been in my family eversince my uncle bought it new. that version of the corolla never had the aftermarket support of the corolla gts (ae86), i thought since i would be driving a fairly new car, the choice of mods would be there. i was wrong since most of the good mods are available for the v6 model.

so far, all the mods i've done are cosmetic like changing my headlights to h4 hid bulbs and changing the green oem dash lights to red ones. i decided i will not go all out in terms of mods since it does get costly and it really is a disease. the next mod i will be doing is changing the exhaust pipes and exhaust. i'm gonna go with 2" piping and i really want to go with a chamber exhaust cause going with a cannister type would look ridiculous since the camry is a family car. i will most likely get a magnaflow xl cause i like how it sounds and how it performs - i had one for my old corolla. however, i haven't decided whether to go with an 2.5" or 3" outlet. i know opening the exhaust will reduce low torque, but allow better flow for higher rpms. i would like suggestions based on experience, nothing theoretical.

after exhaust, i'm thinking about intake and air filter. i know k & n is a highly reputable company, but does anyone have experiences for intakes from other brands?

i will most likely leave springs and wheels/tires as the last things to change. i seen springs from tein that drop the ride quite a bit, but are pretty expensive. wheels/tires will set me back $1,000+ so i'll leave that for later if i do change it.

 

so far, all the mods i've done are cosmetic like changing my headlights to h4 hid bulbs and changing the green oem dash lights to red ones. i decided i will not go all out in terms of mods since it does get costly and it really is a disease. the next mod i will be doing is changing the exhaust pipes and exhaust. i'm gonna go with 2" piping and i really want to go with a chamber exhaust cause going with a cannister type would look ridiculous since the camry is a family car. i will most likely get a magnaflow xl cause i like how it sounds and how it performs - i had one for my old corolla. however, i haven't decided whether to go with an 2.5" or 3" outlet. i know opening the exhaust will reduce low torque, but allow better flow for higher rpms. i would like suggestions based on experience, nothing theoretical.

after exhaust, i'm thinking about intake and air filter. i know k & n is a highly reputable company, but does anyone have experiences for intakes from other brands?

I have an Injen Short Ram Air Intake for my 99 I-4 Camry LE for about 4 months now and it runs really well. And for an exhaust, I would get the 2.5-3" outlet/inlet IMO. I'm going to get a universal magnaflow muffler for christmas, I would install myself, but I'm not allowed too, hehe. GL with mods man...

 

i dislike honda's for various reasions but if you put a 1mz into a civic you would have a hell of a beast... :/...

so as to not cause an uprise of "your lame" 's and "get off the forum" 's i hesitantly mention

GSR or K20 swap into a 3rd gen that had the 5s (you complain about aftermarket support i bring up ideas that should be forsaken, and really are :/...)

though the ultimate would be building a new subframe for the cam cutting a drive line and going 2jz or 1jz :/... *daydreams of drifting around in a RWD camry*

wheres the AWD info at? didnt someone take the all-track and attempt at putting it in a sedan 3rd gen?...

if anyone knows i really wanna talk to them or have an update to see whats up with it, i know one specific person was going to do it or pondering it btw you know who you are and i say to change it up when you do install a rav4 hoodscoop it will look sick *top mount* *nuff said*

 

it is a real shame. honda and toyota are so similar in their aproach to cars but honda discovered that little VTEC thing and until the VVTL-I, toyota hasnt had anything like it so why would anyone bother when VTEC is what makes honda cars stand out and good for modding...even the ones without VTEC:lol:.

 

lol vtec?? what's that

 

then there is the 5SFE vs the F22C

5sfe (2.2L I4) - 135hp 145 ft/lbs

F22C (2.2L I4) - 237hp 162ft/ lbs

 

then there is the 5SFE vs the F22C

5sfe (2.2L I4) - 135hp 145 ft/lbs

F22C (2.2L I4) - 237hp 162ft/ lbs

:slap:

 

both have economy heads that dont flow great, but that can be fixed with machining ... both have similar blocks and make EXTREMELY similar numbers ... also have similar applications

but of course, the F22 is a Honda engine - which means an aftermarket ... so thats why people have F22 cars running 9sec 1/4 miles and we have 5S cars running 18sec 1/4 miles

:thumbsdow :sosad: :ugh3: ... was just talkin it over with some local car guys, its sad really

How many people are running F22A4 SOHC Hondas at 9 sec 1/4 mi? I bet most have the DOHC H22, or DOHC b series engines.

 

its not about how many, its the fact that there is at least one - i watched the video ... i know the difference between an F-series, B-series and H-series noobcake, and my friend and i were discussing the F22

b-series is even worse, so dont get me started on that ... its comparable to something like a 3S-FE at best :lol:

how many 5S-FE's have hit 250hp? probably enough to count on two hands ... not the same with F22s :disappoin

 

o was goofing off last night after work and a friend of mine was driving next to me revving so i was like "ok ill make you feel ashamed" and after pulling 2-3 car lengths and them not gaining any ground i let off the gas as to avoid a ticket... :/ after words we went and bs'ed the car was down shifted into 3rd from a 40 mph start and all i did was put it in second and turn off O/D :/...

AKA Honda cant touch the 1MZ *dont quote me on that i realize there are acceptations*

 

this a pointless argument. as far as modding goes; honda > toyota....

 

there is no argument...

 

in terms of moddability, honda = win
in terms of reliability, its about dead even

 

well theres more to life than the B-series, and a lot of the honda guys know that ...

here's a 12-sec f22 turbo vs a b-20 turbo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFG1n69j4qQ
here's the 9.6 that my friend showed me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3EPuc9nI8A

 

k20 turbo in your camry venom like corcam said honda=win in modibility and even in reliability so do a swap f22 has nothing on the k20 *the new SI's are FAST from the factory, and if you turbo it id assume they are REALLY FAST...

and then you could be on honda and toyota forums

 

^ Depends on which F22 man. F22C > K20A/K20Z3 Blanket Statments FTL.

F22C 2.2L 237hp 162lb/ft ---------K20Z3 2.0L 197hp 139lb/ft

F20C 2.0L 237hp 153lb/ft

 

Well everyone knows honda is the aftermarket parts slut. Yet anyone can build one becuase they're so forgivable, But to build a toyota( other than the supra). Its all custom all the time. plus its a more respectable build becuase of difficulty of parts.

 

OK, that's a Honda Insight race car that ran 9.6 seconds....now I'm not saying it was easy.....but it ain't an Accord though. Honda Insight from the factory weighed less that 1,900 lbs! Now ditch the hybrid system, batteries, airbags, ABS etc, even adding the weight of a roll cage and other safety eqpt, I bet that car is still under 2k lbs.

Oh well, I guess I don't understand this thread.

 

i never said the word accord, did i? i promise that if you remove your doors, trunk, hood, carpet, and trunk junk you will still not be running 9 second 1/4-miles in your Camry

my point is that there are two identical engines - and one can be built to for high hp with ease, while the other is constantly labeled as weak with no potential

yes, the aftermarkets are vastly different and thats why i hate honda ... but even still, there have been people that have built the 5S-FE custom, which doesnt require an aftermarket, and they still cant get the 5S to do what the F22A does

 

Well smarty pants, I am going to turn this thing full circle, buckle up.

i never said the word accord, did i? i promise that if you remove your doors, trunk, hood, carpet, and trunk junk you will still not be running 9 second 1/4-miles in your Camry

How could the Accord NOT be mentioned? You drive a Camry, it has a 5sfe....the "competing" F22 sits in the engine bay of....you guessed it, an Accord. If I removed the hood, doors, and trunk; that wouldn't save over 1,000 lbs plus the aerodynamics would suck. So yeah, you're right at no chance at 9 sec 1/4 mi.

my point is that there are two identical engines - and one can be built to for high hp with ease, while the other is constantly labeled as weak with no potential

I wouldn't say the Honda engine in this case is built with "ease". Can you buy a header for the F22? Yes, but you also buy one for the 5sfe. Can you buy an intake for the F22? Yes, but you can get one for the 5sfe too. Can you buy a bolt on turbo kit for an F22 Honda? Yes. There is one for the 5sfe too (Burien Toyota)...or at least used to be.

As far as the Toyota 5sfe being "weak" that is usually more of a word we TN'ers use for the power, but not necessarily the engines durability. We say "weak" because in comparison to the fairly potent V6 engines that were optional, it is weak. It's also weak compared to the potent 3sgte..........and oh yes. That brings me to my next point; the fact Toyota makes a 3sgte probably makes it just as easy to turbo your Camry as it would be for a Honda guy to turbo his accord. Many parts are interchangeable requiring some modification, but easier than starting full custom.

But ultimately a lot of people swap in the "better" motor anyway instead of all the work required to make a 5sfe awesome, just drop in the 3sgte altogether.

yes, the aftermarkets are vastly different and thats why i hate honda ... but even still, there have been people that have built the 5S-FE custom, which doesnt require an aftermarket, and they still cant get the 5S to do what the F22A does

Hating Honda is stupid, there I said it. Honda owners should hate Toyota because they made turbocharged engines from the factory for years and years. One thing I DO agree with you on is Honda's popularity, I don't know why, with modifiers. Here's the thing, there are SO many hooked up Hondas, that they are almost a dime-a-dozen. Amongst the Honda crowd, there is actually big bragging rights to have a the quickest/fastest/best SOHC engine, because it was/is so easy and common to utilize the H and B series (and now K) engines. This is how a lot of the potential performance came about for the F22 engines. But I stress, it's not as easy as you make it seem.....especially 9 seconds.

 

It all comes to technology and efficency of the engine running that create power. The engine of Evo Lancer is only 2.0 and yet people still crank out nearly 300HP out of it ...

 

thats a performance engine - irrelevant to the discussion

 

So...... Chris's random noob question of the day!!!!!!!

How extreme and/or difficult would it be to swap a k20 or atleast a b16 into a gen 3? :naughty:


Oh geez done flame me plz just curious

:clap:

Chris