well it would help if you first clarify what you want to know....

your post isn't clear at all, it first starts with swapping a six speed on to a 4age? then later comes in a 7th gen corolla and putting a 5 speed with that. I have no idea what the hell you are going for.

 

I have a 91 corolla with the old boring 4age 5 speed. I noticed there is a thread for putting a c160 tranmission into a 4age. Is there a thread for a ae101? I was curious what all mods would need to be done. I've changed engines before, just never tried to put one into the other. I'm aware it will fit, I just didn't know what kind of mods I'd be facing. Lets also say I would go with the 5 speed manuel transmission on the ae101.

I think you have codes all messed up.

all 1988-1992 toyota corollas in North America are ae92's

All 1993-1997 corollas in North America and 1992-199? are either an ae101 or ae102

A C160 refers to a 6 speed transmission. The 5 speeds are C50, C52, C56. AE101's came with C56's. AE111's with a blacktop came with a C160 6 speed OPTION, they were not standard.

If you have a 1991 corolla with an At, then you don't have a 4age.

 

AE101's came with C56's.

the first 2 years of AE101s had C52s (and a different throttle linkage), the last 2 years had the blacktop's C56 and the blacktop throttle linkage (better).

but yeah, +1, I didn't contribute to this thread because the original post was confusing and I wasn't sure what you were asking.

 

I'm still lost on what he wants to do... :yikes: more clarification please.

 

+1

 

Ok, lets try this again. I have a 1991 toyota corolla. I have a 1.6 4 cylinder with a 5 speed manuel transmission.(third gear scyncro is gone out) I may be wrong but I don't believe this is a 4age.I'm also aware of it being an ae92. If not, someone correct me. I was wondering if there was anywhere one could go to see what kind of mods or anything it would take to put an ae101 into it. I mentioned the c160 tranmission cause i noticed it has its own thread on this site. I didn't know if maybe the ae101 did or not and I'm just not seeing it. I did mention in the first post that it was a 5 speed but I suppose by not saying (manuel) everyone believed it to be an automatic...

 

an ae101 is the chassis not the engine. yo will not be able to fit another car inside yours no matter how hard you try.

if you want to swap in a different engine look at the swap sticky.

 

the ae101 is the model code for a 7th generation corolla with a 4afe engine. the ae102 being the corolla with the 7afe. IIRC you had the sedan with a body kit in the pictures section so unless its been swapped its a 4afe engine.

there were only a 3 speed auto and 4 speed(overdrive) so we knew it was a manual but the codes were all jumbled.


btw unless theres a guy that changes gears for you its manual not manuel lol


edit: j2b4osan beat me to it

 

I still don't quite get the way your asking it but will try. you have a 4afe engine in your corolla.

The ae101 swap of choice is the 20v silvertop(4age) 5speed factory transmission(c52)

The ae111 swap would be the 20v blacktop(4age) with standard 5 speed transmission(c56) or optional 6 speed transmission(c160)

both of the above swaps will bolt right into the ae92, you have to modify wiring harness, and for the 6 speed trans you need to modify drivers side, side mount.

Of course there will be other small things like throttle cable length, intake piping, power steering if you want to keep it, vacuum lines, etc..

But overall its a simple swap and there is tons of information on it, just have to dig around this and other sites, ask questions. Listing every single thing would be impossible cause everyones is slightly different but the big things I have listed and for the rest once your there post pictures and ask more questions.

And you would love either the silvertop or blacktop compared to the 4afe.

 

Whats the differencen between the ae101 and 111? Just that one is silver and one is black? And how much better are they?

 

Yes... you can put any engine from an AE101 into your AE92... no you can't put an AE101 in your engine. :yikes: this is all basic info available in the forum on stickies and everywhere on the net.

I have Manuel but he wont change gears from me... Orale!

 

I am aware I could get a used transmission. It would be easier than ripping the transmission apart to get to the syncro. Wasn't fun doing that on my old s-10....! I wanted to do something fun, like get a c160. The way I see it, if I'm gonna do that I might as well get a better engine while I'm at it. So the only difference between what I have in my engine bay and the black and silver top engines is I have a 16v(valve) and they have 20 v. Is that all? Or is 4 more valves gonna make much difference?

 

The way I see it, if I'm gonna do that I might as well get a better engine while I'm at it. So the only difference between what I have in my engine bay and the black and silver top engines is I have a 16v(valve) and they have 20 v. Is that all? Or is 4 more valves gonna make much difference?

No.
Apart from having more valves, they produce more horse power.
Your engine puts out about 97hp. The 20v ranges between 160 and 165hp.
The 6 speeed was designed to work with a high revving engine (20v)
If you do a 20v swap, the 6speed gearbox would be my choice, but it costs a lot more.

 

swapping a transmission takes about 3 or 4 hours...... you can get a used one a local junkards for probably around $100.

swapping a newer motor & trans can cost easily 10 to 20 (or more) times that price, and can take anywhere from a weekend (someone who knows that they're doing) to years (someone who doesn't understand time and cost requirements and has low knowledge of swaps).

 

Just swapping the same engine out I could have that done in a full day if I had everything right there. It only takes about 3 and hours to get an engine out. It really only takes maybe 2 and a half but the hardest part is actually getting the engine out and getting the new one in. The the rest of the day would be for getting it in and putting the new things on With modifications. I'm pretty good at modifying, I just like to have an idea of what kind of mods would be involved. I spend as much time reading up on things and studying what I'm going to do as I do actually doing it.

No.
Apart from having more valves, they produce more horse power.
Your engine puts out about 97hp. The 20v ranges between 160 and 165hp.
The 6 speeed was designed to work with a high revving engine (20v)
If you do a 20v swap, the 6speed gearbox would be my choice, but it costs a lot more.

That much more? Wow. I'm rather interested. Id really rather go with a 6 speed myself but that would be the biggest challenge I've come across. So the only difference between the black top and silver top is that one has a black top and the other has a silver top?

 

5 more hp.
S/T 160hp
B/T 165hp

A complete B/T swap with 6spd gearbox and all the wiring and ECU will run you about $1800 - $2400 + shipping.
A complete S/T is usually about $900 $1200 with a 5spd.

 

Is there anywhere else one can go other than ebay to find a black top?

 

japanese engine importers.

 

I did some research. According to what I read, the blacktop only gets up to 5800rpm? Wtf? I thought someone on here just said it was good for high rpms. My little dinky 1.6 I have now gets up to atleast 6800 rpms.

 

I might be off a little bit, but I think the blacktop produces max power (165hp) at 7800 RPM, max torque (120lb/ft) at 5600.

 

Even a 4age from a gt-s would make a good difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_A_engine#4A-GE_.2820-valve.29

Blacktop makes its horsepower at 7800 rpm.

 

I was wrong. That is for the Silvertop. The blacktop produces 170.

Look at the link below for 4A-GE DOHC 5+VVTi

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/9975/dataBySubject/GasolineEngines.html

 

these are all BHP figures.... no whp figures.

in realistic SAE settings.... the silvertop puts down around 120whp and the blacktops put down around 140-145..... when all stock. They both suck in torque.

 

That's it? That's stock B16A territory.

I expected much more.... guess they are really overrated from the factory.

 

If you are just looking for an engine swap the blacktop would be my choice, they came in different variations of the corolla overseas from 1996-2000 so better chances of getting one with lower km's and a little more power. but the biggest advantage the blacktop has is that it uses a map based system so using open velocity stacks is simple and sounds so sexy.

 

Ive heard many bad reveiws on the black top, thats its not suited for turbo charging and stuff, whereas the slightly weaker silver top is.

 

its not really bad reviews, its just that engines with rather high compression ratios dont take to boost very well. The silvertop would be slightly better, lower compression and is apparently built a little stronger, but again neither are high boost engines.

 

Is the transmission that is on the sliver top the same transmission as on a regular 91 corolla? Since they are both five speeds? Or do they have different gear ratios?

 

B16 gives about 130whp to the wheels, which is comparable to a Silvertop/blacktop...

Why not go all out and put a 2ZZ-GE?

 

I always thought that a 22rte would be very cool those things are quite torquey.

 

You are right, but I think the block might be too long for going crossway in a Corolla.
The 3S / 5S from the Celica would be a better choice in my opinion, but I still haven't heard what the solution is for adapting axles for that engine into a Corolla.

 

truck engine

 

Is the transmission that is on the sliver top the same transmission as on a regular 91 corolla? Since they are both five speeds? Or do they have different gear ratios?

 

I believe they are the same, but the differential ratio is lower, like all the other ones attached to 4G-GEs. So you turn higher RPMs at any given road speed, but that is necessary to match the engine power band.

 

I don't think I can find the 6 speed transmission seperete from a blacktop.

 

There was one on ebay a few weeks ago for $500.

 

Why?

Just set up an email notification and let it come to you.

 

I didnt know i could do that.

in all honesty the 6 gear box isnt going to make a drastic difference, as far as I remember the 6th gear is close to the 5th in the 5 gear box.

If its an LSD you want, get a quaife, costs about £600 from UK and its better than the stock LSD.

I'm not doing it to get a difference. I just think it would be fun to have a 6 speed. I just wish I could find just the transmission somewhere. I want a silver top with the c160.

 

in all honesty the 6 gear box isnt going to make a drastic difference, as far as I remember the 6th gear is close to the 5th in the 5 gear box.

If its an LSD you want, get a quaife, costs about £600 from UK and its better than the stock LSD.