https://www.thecarconnection.com/ne...ion.com/news/1114734_toyota-to-debut-apple-carplay-integration-with-2019-avalon



Best for me to wait for 2019s says they won't be retrofitting it to 2018s not sure how much of that is true.

 

We'll see about that. Outside of some hardware change between the Entune 3.0 system in 2018 vs 2019 models, there's no reason it couldn't be added as a software update. Otherwise, there will be a bunch of pissed off 2018 Camry and Sienna owners out there who would have to literally trade their car in for a new one in order to get the new software. This is after Toyota lauded their brand new Entune 3.0 system and said how good it was and told all the new buyers that CarPlay and Android Auto weren't going to be available for the foreseeable future. What are they going to do, introduce Android Auto for the 2020 models, and not let 2018 and 2019 owners get the software update? I don't think Toyota is that stupid. Toyota has already said that they will be retroactively adding Alexa to the 2018 models later this year, so you can't tell me CarPlay isn't too far behind.

 

Sucks :/

I hear you, but from every article posted Toyota is not going to be retroactively fitting CarPlay into the Camry 2018. I'm baffled by that decision as iPhones not only don't work with scout w/ link, they break entune entirely when plugged in...

 

I hear you, but from every article posted Toyota is not going to be retroactively fitting CarPlay into the Camry 2018. I'm baffled by that decision as iPhones not only don't work with scout w/ link, they break entune entirely when plugged in...

I’m not sure what articles you’re reading, but besides the article posted at the start of this thread, every article I’ve read says that Toyota has not officially announced what they’re going to do with the 2018 models that have Entune 3.0 and Enform 2.0. Case in point, see the links below.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/15/.../1/15/16892804/toyota-lexus-apple-carplay-2019-models-avalon-naims-detroit-2018

http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti.../18/01/15/toyota-concedes-reveals-plans-to-launch-first-cars-with-apple-carplay

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/15/toyota-to-support-apple-carplay/

https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/15/toyota-carplay-2019-avalon-entune-3-0/

 

Gee I guess those with Android phones aren't worth considering by Toyota. That might lead to Android users not considering Toyota beginning with the 2019s. Oh well, just another in a very curious series of marketing decisions by the company hierarchy.

 

I feel for the Android users but I have an iPhone, the only Apple product I own.


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My guy at Toyota is saying they are working on the Android Auto software update so it's coming. From what they've been told the Alexa update on Entune 3.0 probably won't come until 4Q.

 

After reading their clarification again, it leads me to think what Toyota is getting at is that the 2018 models with 3.0 wouldn't get a potential software update to get CarPlay for the time being, until the 2019 Avalon comes out. I would assume Toyota doesn't even have the CarPlay software for Entune fully developed right now, since this seemed like a snap decision. As of a few months ago, Toyota was telling everyone that CP/AA were off the table.

Officially not seen Toyota making any statements on AA, but according to SlimJim83 insider information, that tells a different story. I hope that is true, then again I don't think any company a is happy about his employee leaking such info.

 

Same thing happened to me with my GTI from 2015. 3 months after i bought it they released Apple Carplay throughout the entire lineup. Unfortunatley they never gave the option for an update. I'm hoping Toyota has a heart and does the opposite. The upside is, The Entune system on my Camry is not even half as atrocious compared to the infotaiment system I had on my GTI:nerd:

 

It will not happy for the 2018's. the CarPlay licensing will be added into the cost of the 2019's. Toyota will not foot the bill for all of the 2018's to be updated.
Also, the time and costs needed for a development team to back-port CarPlay to the 2018's will be far to high to justify the cost for the very small amount of people that would be willing to pay for an update.

 

I would like to know who has confirmed this info to you. As for the costs with upgrading the system, if the Entune 3.0 system hardware is identical in a 2018 Camry vs a 2019 Camry, they’re going to develop the software anyways, so it would only be a matter of flashing the software in the 2018 Camry. I think it would be more expensive for Toyota to not upgrade the 2018 cars and then they’d have to develop and maintain two sets of software and updates, one for 2018 cars with Entune 3.0 and one for 2019+ cars with Entune 3.0. As for CarPlay licensing fees, I don’t think that would be a big deal for Toyota, or worst case scenario, 2018 owners could be forced to pay a fee for the upgrade. Also too, who is paying Amazon for the Alexa licensing fees when our 2018s get that upgrade later this year? Once again, these issues are small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. The only thing that would really prevent an upgrade would be if there is some hardware change from 2018 to 2019 models, which I really can’t see, seeing how Toyota spent all that time and effort developing it. In addition, if there was some hardware change, would it continue to be called Entune 3.0? Wouldn’t they love to be able to advertise the “New and improved Entune 4.0?”

 

Like all of you, I too am really frustrated by Entune 3.0, and I don't see the reason why Toyota wouldn't extend this to unhappy 2018 Camry owners. Macrumors had this to say about 2018 models (see update 3).

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/15/toyota-to-support-apple-carplay/

"Update 3: Toyota told us that it doesn't have any plans to support CarPlay in pre-2019 vehicles at this time, even though models like the 2018 Camry and 2018 Sienna have its Entune 3.0 system."

I think by the end of this week or month, it'll become clear what Toyota's position on their 2018 cars is.

 

Apple Car Play

I don't really care one way or the other. After spending 45mins to an hour reconnecting my iphone to entune early today. I got into my car after work (5 hours total sitting time) and was told the phone was not connected and to contact Toyota. Several hard resets of entune and still nothing. Finally got the piece of crap audio to let me choose FM and turned on XM.
I have hated XM from the day I got it in 2007. But compared to entune its heaven. I was planning to cancel XM finally. I just renewed for another year.
As far as Toyota they can take Toyota&Camry&Entune and push them into the Pacific Ocean. If Toyota think they will charge me for this abortion their genius's created their NUTS. In 35 months when the lease is up I will lease again BUT NEVER ANOTHER TOYOTA. I will also spend the next 35 months convincing everyone who will listen NOT TOYOTA, anything but this crap.

 

I don't really care one way or the other. After spending 45mins to an hour reconnecting my iphone to entune early today. I got into my car after work (5 hours total sitting time) and was told the phone was not connected and to contact Toyota. Several hard resets of entune and still nothing. Finally got the piece of crap audio to let me choose FM and turned on XM.
I have hated XM from the day I got it in 2007. But compared to entune its heaven. I was planning to cancel XM finally. I just renewed for another year.
As far as Toyota they can take Toyota&Camry&Entune and push them into the Pacific Ocean. If Toyota think they will charge me for this abortion their genius's created their NUTS. In 35 months when the lease is up I will lease again BUT NEVER ANOTHER TOYOTA. I will also spend the next 35 months convincing everyone who will listen NOT TOYOTA, anything but this crap.

Have you tried any Carplay enable HUs?
there is no messing around with BT pairing process, no Apps to download, no account to setup.

The only thing you need to mess around is get a Apple Cable and insert into the USB port (maybe hard to find) and your iPhone. generally you will see a popup and make the right selection to enable Carplay. From that point on your phone calls works, music Apps works etc. No pairing of Bluetooth required.

Apple hope getting a cable is easier than messing around with the HU and phone settings/setup.

 

Announcing this now, right after the 2018 Camrys are realized, people will tough it out and buy the 2019 Camry instead. No one will buy 2018 anymore unless they don't use smartphone.


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You’re right. All they’re going to do is hurt sales if they’re saying pre-2019 won’t be supported “at this time.” Is that a yes or no, and are they talking about Entune 1.0 cars only? It’s not like the 2019 Camry is coming out next month, it’s about 7-8 months away. Toyota needs to come out soon and say what they’re going to do. Like I said, what happens if Android Auto comes out in 2020, are they going to tell 2018 and 2019 owners they’re SOL, and have to buy a new car? You would think an almost $40K car with all the options would have at least some support from the manufacturer. It’s not like going out and getting a new iPhone every year for a couple hundred bucks, and even that is stupid. Also too, if you read the Update 3 from MacRumors, nowhere does Toyota admit that the hardware is not capable of supporting CarPlay.

 

I have a 2017 camry with entune premium and I say they should even update those head units with carplay/auto.

The thing is, after having driven toyotas for long enough, you realize toyota isn't gonna do a thing. I wouldn't even be surprised when these new avalons come out, if the carplay doesn't work half the time. I've said many times before and I'll keep saying it, when my lease is up in 2019, I'm switching to Honda (unless Toyota makes some major improvements). Are you reading toyota? You are losing a customer

 

Yeah, I think that's why Toyota is adding CarPlay, they finally realized it was affecting sales. Also too, I wonder if the 2018 Camry had CP/AA if it would've won 2018 North American Car of the Year instead of the Accord?

 

The thing toyota doesn't seem to understand, which is baffling to me, is how much of a safety feature acp/aa are. I see younger people driving around in Carollas all the time. Lots of people in their 20s. Not having acp/aa in these cars forces people to use their cell phones while driving. Yes, their is Bluetooth, but at some point people are gonna pick up the phone while driving. I'm 37, and I'm guilty of it. While I'm happy toyota is adding carplay to the avalon, not a whole lot of young buyers are driving avalons. I could even see toyota saying something like "we tested out carplay in the avalon and it wasn't very successful", but what's the average age of an avalon buyer? 55? Toyota dropped the ball hard here. They should've added acp/aa to the Carolla and camry line before the avalon. I'm hopeful they get their heads on straight before my lease is up. I really love the new camry, but I'm not settling when I sign my new lease agreement in 2019

 

As someone who has CarPlay in another car I don’t see the draw. You have to plug your phone in every single time to use it. Entune reads me my texts over Bluetooth and I can respond via Siri. All without taking my phone out of my pocket. Yes it would be wonderful if the USB connection would be fixed so scout could work better.


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It all depends. I'm an android user and can't use Siri, and toyota doesnt offer the Google assistant. Also I can/could access many other apps through Android auto that I can't through entune (Spotify, Google maps, Google play, Google assistant etc). All of this required me to pick up my phone to access these things. Android auto does offer the stand alone app, which is useful because essentially my phone becomes android auto, but I still have to pick up my phone to do anything.

 

Had to experience everyones devotion to this ACP thing. Test drove new accord and they hooked me up to try it out and yes it was nice and convenient. To me though its not a deal breaker if it comes great if not no worries. It would be nice if we get a software bump but it doesnt take away from my decision to purchase the Camry over the accord. It appears though I am in the minority in this thread.

 

Again, it depends on what you'd use carplay/android auto for. For me personally, I use Spotify all the time. I have no way to access it unless I pick up my phone. Entune has given us stupid apps like iheart radio and slacker as opposed to apps that people actually use like spotify(and many others). Also, for what I paid to have navigation from toyota, id rather use Google maps. It's light years better than the factory navigation. Also as I stated earlier, while camrys have Siri eyes free, they leave Android users completely in the dark.

 

if the 2019 Camry have carplay I am trading in my 2018.....

 

I am curious if we can swap out HU and get CarPlay on 2018 cars if we cannot do SW update.

 

It could always be worse…

https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/16/bmw-carplay-subscription-based-pricing/

 

I also read that 2018 Sienna and Camry will not be receiving Car Play/Android Auto

 

Can you provide the source where you read that?

 

If Toyota chooses not to add CarPlay to the 2018 Lexus models that support Enform 2.0 (NX, RC, LS and LC) there will be several really pissed off people out there who paid north of $100K for their cars (LS and LC). Just imagine trying to trade one of those in to get a 2019 model. I’m sure they’ll be sure to make their opinions known to Toyota corporate. Interesting side note, I was talking to the GM of a Lexus dealership near me. He told me that no one is allowed to test drive a LC until they are intent on buying it and they sign all the purchase papers.

 

I’ve been getting so many conflicting answers. I asked a internet specialist at one dealership and he assured me Toyota would issue a software update to give 2018 owners the update if they had Entune 3.0. However, I also asked another dealership and their manager said that 2018’s would not be getting the update and it would only be rolling out on 2019 models. I don’t really know who to trust and Toyota corporate isn’t saying anything. Although I see absolutely no reason to deprive 2018 buyers because I’m sure a software update would do. I’m in the market for a 2018 Camry and I do not have time to wait for 2019 models and I’d really like a Camry. It’s ridiculous they can’t give a straight answer.

 

I wouldn’t trust anybody who is in the business of selling you something. They’ll tell you what you want to hear to try to sell you a car. I’d try to find something conclusive from Toyota or wait for them to say something conclusive. Wouldn’t listen to anything a dealer has to say.

 

It seems pretty definite at this point that 2018 and prior model years won't get the update. Both Macrumors and The Car Connection report that Toyota itself said, "Toyota won't be retrofitting Apple CarPlay compatibility to 2018-model year vehicles." That was from an interview with Brian Inouye, Toyota's Chief Product Owner for App-based & Connected Services.

Of course, Toyota could always change its mind but I bet it's more complicated than just sending out an update for Entune 3.0 systems. Wouldn't you think there would be royalties or licensing fees that Toyota would owe to Apple for every car with CarPlay installed? If Toyota didn't charge customers for that functionality when they bought the car then I doubt Toyota would be willing to just eat that cost themselves.

Here's an interesting question: What if Toyota offered to update 2018 models for a fee? How much would you be willing to pay? I know that CarPlay is a $300 option on new BMWs.

 

there's an easy fix that toyota doesn't want you to have screen mirroring....its so easy to implement its ridiculous. you dont even need a carplay enable HU.

 

I'm not tech geek but there has to be some company working on a hack or something to add screen mirroring or AA/CP into this head unit. There would be a market for it. If not I'd add an aftermarket unit when or if they become available.

 

Because the Camry HU is so proprietary I wonder if its getting too hard for the aftermarket to bring one to market since everything including the HVAC and kitchen sink are controlled by it, and if it can come at a reasonable cost as well.

 

http://www.beatsonicusa.com/if02ep.html

straight from japan give it a few months they'll certify for the 2018 camry

 

What other changes do you guys think will be on the 2019 Camry other than ACP?


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Disagree... People may not want a car that looks aggressive or is a head turner but they definitely don't want a car that's ugly. The new Accord is flat out ugly... Honda would have been better off with a boring Accord than an ugly one. The new Accord is painful to look at.

Totally agree. Camry looks way better IMO

 

Disagree... People may not want a car that looks aggressive or is a head turner but they definitely don't want a car that's ugly. The new Accord is flat out ugly... Honda would have been better off with a boring Accord than an ugly one. The new Accord is painful to look at.


Totally agree. Camry looks way better IMO

I think the camry looks better than the accord hands down. Last night I saw a new sport model accord. And it looks way better in person. I actually stopped to look at it. It kinda reminded me of the audi rs7 at first glance.