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Bitching about Ultimate Racing re 5SFTE project

3.3K views 17 replies 16 participants last post by  SE V6  
#1 ·
As I mentioned in a previous post about my turbo project, Ultimate Racing here in Toronto would the shop of choice. Johnson, the owner of the shop had personally agreed to taking on the project.

My experience with them thus far has been far from satisfactory, and I'd like to share that with you all.

When I had first spoken with Johnson to get an idea of the time frame involved in the project, he assured me "if you give me the head [for port and polish], I can have it back to you in a day, two days tops." This ended up taking 3 weeks - 3 long weeks while my car sat in my mechanic's bay, holding up his business. Thanks to a good rapport with my mechanic, I did not have to pay him any compensation. During this time, my phone calls either went unanswered or messages unreturned. On the rare occasion that I did get a hold of Johnson, the promised date would come and go.

Finally, the head was returned and re-installed, and my car towed back to my garage, where it sits, waiting to be towed to Ultimate.

But since then, my telephone inquiries have been totally ignored, as the person who picks up the phone will automatically tell me Johnson is not in. I've seen them do this call screening at the shop but thought nothing of it, and now I'm the one whose calls are being screened.

My frustrations have reached such a point that I have written the following email to demand some resolution. I'll keep you informed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Shek [mailto:jeffrey.shek@rogers.com]
Sent: May 29, 2003 6:43 PM
To: 'sales@ultimate-racing.com'
Subject: Status of Turbo Project

Johnson,

I’m writing to express my disappointment and frustration with the stalled status of my turbo project, which I have contracted your company to provide services for.

We last spoke on Saturday, May 3, 2003. You had come to my house to test-fit the manifold and turbo. I indicated that my target date for the installation of the turbo and all related hardware and tuning is the end of May. You said that target date is achievable. You agreed to email me during the week of May 4-10th with an estimate for the project. I have received no communication from you since, via email or any other means.

Today is May 29, 2003. It is apparent to me that the target date which you personally agreed to is not going to be met. Moreover, my numerous attempts to contact you at your company’s phone number and your personal pager have gone completely unanswered. I can only interpret this as your attempt to screen and evade my call, as I have seen and heard first hand in your shop.

My poor experience is caused by your inaccessibility and the indefinite postponement of deadlines – this is a repeat of the long overdue port and polish head service you previously performed.

As you are aware, my car has been in-operational due to the modifications in preparation for the turbo and further modifications. Any delay would be burdensome, to say the least.

You should know that my loyalty to your company is not automatic, and unless I receive a satisfactory response from you in 2 business days (on or before Monday, June 2, 2003), I am terminating our contract and demanding the return of my deposit of $400.00.

Jeffrey K. F. Shek
Barrister and Solicitor
2025 Sheppard Ave. E., Suite 2300
Toronto, Ontario
M2J 1V6

Office: 416-496-2562
Mobile: 416-587-4123
Fax: 416-497-2261
 
#11 ·
RedruM said:

i say fuck ultimate racing and do it yourself:D
you really gotta understand the time and knowledge to do these type of mods....it ain't no home work type of job..... you need to know the rite fuel management and ECU diagnosis too.... since the company itself have neva made 5SFTE, its a scratch thing for him. and myself would rather pay someone else to do it then having more headache.





sorry to hear that Jeff....i was really hoping to see that 5SFTE to be running soon..... but im glad you have the patience to wait 3 weeks. hope everything works as planned in the future:cool:
 
#14 ·
sorry to hear about ur disappointment with ultimate....theres very few ppls that i would toss my keys to without any hesitation..he's the only person that i would let work on my car....my situation may be a lil different then yours b/c me n him go way way back....let me see what i can find out for you.....
 
#15 ·
sue his ass

Jeff, you're a lawyer right

sue his ass, and take whatever you can out of his pocket and teach him how ignoring a "minor" project (especially to a lawyer) can screw him up easily

the problem is that he agrees that target date can be met. False promises

see for port and polish, you can actually take the head to L&B and do it there yourself.

I'm sure he brings it there to do his port and polish stuff
 
#16 ·
Sh*t like this happens to everyone that is into modifying cars, at least once in their lifetime IMO...

Jeff, when I hear the word "custom turbo", it automatically means that has to be done by yourself only and no one else (except for going to shops to get piping, IC, etc...). Getting custom work done by a shop (especially at well-known shops) puts you as a customer in a very vulnerable situation. Basically, the shop can do whatever they want, say whatever they want, and most of the time, make you PAY whatever they want. Not good... I only go into shops to tell them what to do on my car(s), and not asking them what they should do instead. If you have the time, I would urge you to work on the car yourself from now on and do all the test fitting and measurements yourself, but get Ultimate Racing to make you the piping and supply you with the parts. I can already see the mechanic's hours adding up when you start to have them "test fitting" things, as a result, there will be a whopping price tag for the turbo setup.

My suggestion to you is to be patient with Ultimate Racing first of all, and try to drop by their shop as often as you can. The fact that you are always in his shop and asking them about your custom turbo setup gives them the idea that you cannot be neglected. If possible, bring 2-3 friends with you to their shop as well and have them "fake" some interest in getting work done there. This will usually spark up some concern from Ultimate Racing. If you start getting angry and spread hate, he will just do a nasty job on your turbo and charge you an arm and a leg.

If you start taking legal action against Ultimate Racing, I can't see any benefits in doing so as well. They are a shop that is "modifying your car" as opposed to repairing it. This means that even if you succeed in a lawsuit, you will barely get any compensation since your Camry is no longer a car that you need everyday or treated as a necessity item.

I don't know, but that's what I think about the situation. Hope all the things turn out ok for your Camry and turbo setup. I am really looking forward to see the beast completed as soon as possible. If you need any help, you can drop me a message anytime :)
 
#17 ·
you've been more than patient in waiting the 3 weeks. i'd get my money back based on what you verbally agreed on. what Tony said makes sense... that you are at their mercy when it comes to things like these since they have no other similar projects to base it on. it pains me to hear of people with the knowledge but no honor and pride in their work.

cahlk this one up as a learning lesson, recoup your losses, and move on to bigger and better things/people.


-rayray
 
#18 ·
I was more than surprised to see this post. After reading some of the replies here, I think it is imperative to understand the FULL situation before shooting off one's mouth. There are a couple of posts here that fall into this category.

Knowing and speaking to both parties involved gives me more incite than most. Understanding the situation and working through it is most important to rectify this problem.

Custom work is just that. Not every shop can do this kind of work and maybe only a handful will do a quality job. In this business, there are many unforseen factors that can dictate and/or delay specifics. I'm speaking in generalities here because it is not my place to get into details as I am just a third party.

I just think it is an unfortunate situation for all and there is always resolve with reason.