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"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> newsdSWe.171798$wr.171123@clgrps12...
>>
>> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns96D3EA5423668tegger@207.14.113.17...
>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:xn0e7bpjct4hha1002@news.readfreenews.net:
>>>
>>>> Charles Pisano, 9/16/2005,
>>>> <12540-432B79BB-105@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>,10:04:43 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I lurk on the Edmunds sienna prices paid and buying experiences DB.
>>>>> And someone there is claiming to be able to enable non-DRL vehicles
>>>>> to have DRL's.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have 'em on my Camry, but would like to have them without having to
>>>>> pay for them on a Sienna. Anyone know if this can be done as claimed
>>>>> and how? And if it can be done on any other toyo models?
>>>>>
>>>>> CP
>>>>
>>>> This topic in reverse was my introduction to this newsgroup. It was a
>>>> ridiculously long thread with so much bickering and name-calling that
>>>> it was worse than these political discussions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, yeah! You wanted to kill them! I did too! I drove a giant oaken
>>> stake through the heart of mine and chanted ancient Runic curses against
>>> their very existence to make sure they'd never come back! Yeah!
>>>
>>> By the way, anyone who wants to kill theirs can either read the relevant
>>> Toyota TSB (EL011-00), or email me and I'll tell you how I did it
>>> (simpler
>>> than the TSB).
>>>
>>> Now watch closely, Grasshopper...as the flames begin!
>>>
>>> --
>>> TeGGeR®
>>>
>>
>> Nope, no flames from me. Darwin's Law will eventually prevail against
>> those who remove their DRL's. Some sight challenged driver won't see your
>> vehicle and BOOM, you are no more.
>>
>
> Have you bothered to tour a late model auto dismantler's yard to count the
> number of DRL equipped cars that found there way there? According to you,
> they shouldn't be there. But of 7 late model Jettas I looked (needed a
> couple of interior parts), 4 were there due to front end collisions.
>
> -Philip

You don't know much about LOGIC, do you? NO doubt there are NON smokers who
get lung cancer. There are smokers who live to be 100, too. There are also
people who emerge from head on collisions in beaters with NO BELTS, no bags
etc unscathed. ON AVERAGE, one is better off in a vehicle with functioning
DRL's, seat belts and air bags. Period. And, frankly, I don't give a flying
fuck what you have to say on the subject.


>
>

 

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"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> newsdSWe.171798$wr.171123@clgrps12...
>>
>> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns96D3EA5423668tegger@207.14.113.17...
>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:xn0e7bpjct4hha1002@news.readfreenews.net:
>>>
>>>> Charles Pisano, 9/16/2005,
>>>> <12540-432B79BB-105@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>,10:04:43 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I lurk on the Edmunds sienna prices paid and buying experiences DB.
>>>>> And someone there is claiming to be able to enable non-DRL vehicles
>>>>> to have DRL's.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have 'em on my Camry, but would like to have them without having to
>>>>> pay for them on a Sienna. Anyone know if this can be done as claimed
>>>>> and how? And if it can be done on any other toyo models?
>>>>>
>>>>> CP
>>>>
>>>> This topic in reverse was my introduction to this newsgroup. It was a
>>>> ridiculously long thread with so much bickering and name-calling that
>>>> it was worse than these political discussions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, yeah! You wanted to kill them! I did too! I drove a giant oaken
>>> stake through the heart of mine and chanted ancient Runic curses against
>>> their very existence to make sure they'd never come back! Yeah!
>>>
>>> By the way, anyone who wants to kill theirs can either read the relevant
>>> Toyota TSB (EL011-00), or email me and I'll tell you how I did it
>>> (simpler
>>> than the TSB).
>>>
>>> Now watch closely, Grasshopper...as the flames begin!
>>>
>>> --
>>> TeGGeR®
>>>
>>
>> Nope, no flames from me. Darwin's Law will eventually prevail against
>> those who remove their DRL's. Some sight challenged driver won't see your
>> vehicle and BOOM, you are no more.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I've been running with headlights on since 1986. In some states, an
> Amateur Radio operator is considered an Emergency vehicle, and Emergency
> Vehicles must run with their headlights on at all times. . . .
>
> It's amazing how many people don't even see you in the daytime even with
> full headlights on . . .

Agreed, but the ODDS are, that MORE drivers will see an ILLUMINATED vehicle
than one with NO lights on. No perfect answer, though.

..
>
> Charles of Kankakee
>
>

 

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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Don Fearn, 9/18/2005,
> <v9rri1h50t0nl4js339iclbd46kpao8c31@4ax.com>,6:45:36 PM, wrote:
>
>> I coulda sworn "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> typ'd:
>>
>>
>> > In addition there is a marked increase in the danger to operators
>> > of motorcycles whose headlamps seem to disappear among a sea of
>> > vehicle operated with DRLs.
>>
>> That's my main objection to DRLs. But to up the ante, I have installed
>> a modulated headlight on my motorcycle that I run during the bright
>> daylight hours. It shouts "MOTORCYCLE" to oncoming traffic and helps
>> make sure I'm seen in the sea of other vehicles. I still ride as if
>> I'm invisible, though, and it must be working 'cause I've ridden over
>> 25 years and a few hundreds of thousands of miles without a crash on
>> my motorcycle.
>>
>> -Don
>
> Motorcycle lights are even more annoying than DRLs. Their intensity is
> so high that I am truly blinded when they approach from the front. My
> opinion is motorcycles would be more visible if they had better
> lighting systems on their side and backs.
>
> -- Dave Hill

Motorcycle DRL have the OPTION of running either High or Low beam at full
intensity only. You might stop to consider that ... most motorcycle
FATALITIES are due to the dimwitted car driver make a LEFT TURN ACROSS the
path of the oncoming motorcyclist. So putting more visibility on the sides
and rear of the motorcycle speaks to a deficiency in your vision.

-Philip

-Philip

 

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"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:jcXWe.13785$FW1.10869@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> newsdSWe.171798$wr.171123@clgrps12...
>>>
>>> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns96D3EA5423668tegger@207.14.113.17...
>>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:xn0e7bpjct4hha1002@news.readfreenews.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Charles Pisano, 9/16/2005,
>>>>> <12540-432B79BB-105@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>,10:04:43 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I lurk on the Edmunds sienna prices paid and buying experiences DB.
>>>>>> And someone there is claiming to be able to enable non-DRL vehicles
>>>>>> to have DRL's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have 'em on my Camry, but would like to have them without having to
>>>>>> pay for them on a Sienna. Anyone know if this can be done as
>>>>>> claimed
>>>>>> and how? And if it can be done on any other toyo models?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CP
>>>>>
>>>>> This topic in reverse was my introduction to this newsgroup. It was a
>>>>> ridiculously long thread with so much bickering and name-calling that
>>>>> it was worse than these political discussions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, yeah! You wanted to kill them! I did too! I drove a giant oaken
>>>> stake through the heart of mine and chanted ancient Runic curses
>>>> against
>>>> their very existence to make sure they'd never come back! Yeah!
>>>>
>>>> By the way, anyone who wants to kill theirs can either read the
>>>> relevant
>>>> Toyota TSB (EL011-00), or email me and I'll tell you how I did it
>>>> (simpler
>>>> than the TSB).
>>>>
>>>> Now watch closely, Grasshopper...as the flames begin!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> TeGGeR®
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, no flames from me. Darwin's Law will eventually prevail against
>>> those who remove their DRL's. Some sight challenged driver won't see
>>> your vehicle and BOOM, you are no more.
>>>
>>
>> Have you bothered to tour a late model auto dismantler's yard to count
>> the number of DRL equipped cars that found there way there? According to
>> you, they shouldn't be there. But of 7 late model Jettas I looked
>> (needed a couple of interior parts), 4 were there due to front end
>> collisions.
>>
>> -Philip
>
> You don't know much about LOGIC, do you?

YOU are NOT the one to teach anybody about logic. Frankly, Werner Von Braun
(father of The Bomb) stated "Logic is a thought process the leads to wrong
conclusions with confidence."


> NO doubt there are NON smokers who get lung cancer. There are smokers who
> live to be 100, too. There are also people who emerge from head on
> collisions in beaters with NO BELTS, no bags etc unscathed. ON AVERAGE,
> one is better off in a vehicle with functioning DRL's, seat belts and air
> bags. Period. And, frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what you have to
> say on the subject.

Now where's the 'logic' in these closing sentences? Expressed by Sharx is
only a juvenile, knee jerk, emotion. You remind me of those pedantic
Christians who say "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it."
Whooey.

-Philip

 

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Philip, 9/19/2005, 9:49:54 AM,
<6mzXe.621$vw6.76@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0e7ei95bw4qq002@news.readfreenews.net...
> > Don Fearn, 9/18/2005,
> > <v9rri1h50t0nl4js339iclbd46kpao8c31@4ax.com>,6:45:36 PM, wrote:
> >
> >>I coulda sworn "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> typ'd:
> > >
> > >
> >>> In addition there is a marked increase in the danger to operators
> >>> of motorcycles whose headlamps seem to disappear among a sea of
> >>> vehicle operated with DRLs.
> > >
> > > That's my main objection to DRLs. But to up the ante, I have
> > > installed a modulated headlight on my motorcycle that I run
> > > during the bright daylight hours. It shouts "MOTORCYCLE" to
> > > oncoming traffic and helps make sure I'm seen in the sea of other
> > > vehicles. I still ride as if I'm invisible, though, and it must
> > > be working 'cause I've ridden over 25 years and a few hundreds of
> > > thousands of miles without a crash on my motorcycle.
> > >
> > > -Don
> >
> > Motorcycle lights are even more annoying than DRLs. Their
> > intensity is so high that I am truly blinded when they approach
> > from the front. My opinion is motorcycles would be more visible if
> > they had better lighting systems on their side and backs.
> >
> > -- Dave Hill
>
> Motorcycle DRL have the OPTION of running either High or Low beam at
> full intensity only. You might stop to consider that ... most
> motorcycle FATALITIES are due to the dimwitted car driver make a LEFT
> TURN ACROSS the path of the oncoming motorcyclist. So putting more
> visibility on the sides and rear of the motorcycle speaks to a
> deficiency in your vision.
>
> -Philip
>
> -Philip

Philip-Philip,

Nice to see you back. I guess you are the old Philip, judging from
your sarcastic response.

Anyway, whether motorcycle fatalities are primarily a result of someone
turning in front of them or other reasons is not what I was inferring.
Motorcycles have more than enough lighting on the front. I have been
with people in the car where they haven't noticed motorcycles in
adjacent lanes or misjudged their spacing because they are used to
larger vehicles. Better lighting systems (I am not an engineer) on the
side and back will help make these smaller vehicles noticeable to the
drivers who have their head up their ass or a cell phone growing out of
their ear.

--
"Hockey is a sport for white men. Basketball is a sport for black men.
Golf is a sport for white men dressed like black pimps." -- Tiger Woods

 

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Not the one I hit, nearly cut him in half

mike hunt


"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:CdidnS0DepuwYrDeUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>I knwo what you mean, I always added extra lighting to my bikes, front
>>and back. I rode motorcycles from right after the war until I was 73. I
>>stopped riding in 1999 after I ran into 4 deer on the road. I hit one of
>>them and one hit me. Promised my wife after 8 days in the ICU I would not
>>ride again.
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>
> Did the deer survive?
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Don Fearn" <pooder@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:v9rri1h50t0nl4js339iclbd46kpao8c31@4ax.com...
>>>I coulda sworn "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> typ'd:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In addition there is a marked increase in the danger to operators of
>>>>motorcycles whose headlamps seem to disappear among a sea of vehicle
>>>>operated with DRLs.
>>>
>>> That's my main objection to DRLs. But to up the ante, I have installed
>>> a modulated headlight on my motorcycle that I run during the bright
>>> daylight hours. It shouts "MOTORCYCLE" to oncoming traffic and helps
>>> make sure I'm seen in the sea of other vehicles. I still ride as if
>>> I'm invisible, though, and it must be working 'cause I've ridden over
>>> 25 years and a few hundreds of thousands of miles without a crash on
>>> my motorcycle.
>>>
>>> -Don
>>> --
>>> "Ladies and gentlemen take my advice.
>>> Pull down your pants and slide on the ice."
>>>
>>> -- Sidney Freedman
>>
>>
>
>

 

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There are reams of evidence that clearly shows that SRS and seat bets will
save many more lives in frontal collisions than if one is not belted. One
of my tasks as a design engineer was to develop safer vehicles for properly
belted passengers, I know the benefits far outweigh and risks from being
belted. I will not move my vehicle unless every one is belted. I also know
enough to never ride in a small FWD vehicle to save a relative few dollars
on fuel.



"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:totXe.262448$tt5.74526@edtnps90...
>
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns96D5DCC5BE92Dtegger@207.14.113.17...
>> "\"Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote in
>> news:nttspam-2F49B5.16130118092005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com:
>>
>>> In article <H62dnQdxRbMtTLDeUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is questionable. Tests by the engineering department of two
>>>> universities in the US says otherwise. The results of those studies
>>>> shows DRLs can cause as many accidents as they may prevent. That was
>>>> the main reason they were not made mandatory in the US by the
>>>> Congress several years ago when GM made that request.
>>>>
>>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>> I've been in a couple of situations where if I did not have the DRL
>>> the driver may not have seen me for a brief second. This is
>>> subjective. Just my observation of the moment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Problem is, up here people tend to look for the lights, not for the car.
>>
>> DRLs make you more careless/less careful.
>
> The same can be said about seat belts or air bags--totally anecdotal
> evidence that some people believe that belts and bags make them immortal,
> even in head on collisions. However, I, for one, still USE my belts and
> keep the bags activated but drive with the assumption that I'll have the
> protection of an eggshell in any collision.
>
>
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>
>

 

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In article <6mzXe.621$vw6.76@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0e7ei95bw4qq002@news.readfreenews.net...
> > Don Fearn, 9/18/2005,
> > <v9rri1h50t0nl4js339iclbd46kpao8c31@4ax.com>,6:45:36 PM, wrote:
> >
> >> I coulda sworn "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> typ'd:
> >>
> >>
> >> > In addition there is a marked increase in the danger to operators
> >> > of motorcycles whose headlamps seem to disappear among a sea of
> >> > vehicle operated with DRLs.
> >>
> >> That's my main objection to DRLs. But to up the ante, I have installed
> >> a modulated headlight on my motorcycle that I run during the bright
> >> daylight hours. It shouts "MOTORCYCLE" to oncoming traffic and helps
> >> make sure I'm seen in the sea of other vehicles. I still ride as if
> >> I'm invisible, though, and it must be working 'cause I've ridden over
> >> 25 years and a few hundreds of thousands of miles without a crash on
> >> my motorcycle.
> >>
> >> -Don
> >
> > Motorcycle lights are even more annoying than DRLs. Their intensity is
> > so high that I am truly blinded when they approach from the front. My
> > opinion is motorcycles would be more visible if they had better
> > lighting systems on their side and backs.
> >
> > -- Dave Hill
>
> Motorcycle DRL have the OPTION of running either High or Low beam at full
> intensity only. You might stop to consider that ... most motorcycle
> FATALITIES are due to the dimwitted car driver make a LEFT TURN ACROSS the
> path of the oncoming motorcyclist. So putting more visibility on the sides
> and rear of the motorcycle speaks to a deficiency in your vision.
>
> -Philip
>
> -Philip

Something I found invaluable on my motorcycle was a air horn, they
thought it was a 18 wheeler coming.
--

 

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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0e7fenwa1nva7001@news.readfreenews.net...
> Philip, 9/19/2005, 9:49:54 AM,
> <6mzXe.621$vw6.76@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:xn0e7ei95bw4qq002@news.readfreenews.net...
>> > Don Fearn, 9/18/2005,
>> > <v9rri1h50t0nl4js339iclbd46kpao8c31@4ax.com>,6:45:36 PM, wrote:
>> >
>> >>I coulda sworn "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> typ'd:
>> > >
>> > >
>> >>> In addition there is a marked increase in the danger to operators
>> >>> of motorcycles whose headlamps seem to disappear among a sea of
>> >>> vehicle operated with DRLs.
>> > >
>> > > That's my main objection to DRLs. But to up the ante, I have
>> > > installed a modulated headlight on my motorcycle that I run
>> > > during the bright daylight hours. It shouts "MOTORCYCLE" to
>> > > oncoming traffic and helps make sure I'm seen in the sea of other
>> > > vehicles. I still ride as if I'm invisible, though, and it must
>> > > be working 'cause I've ridden over 25 years and a few hundreds of
>> > > thousands of miles without a crash on my motorcycle.
>> > >
>> > > -Don
>> >
>> > Motorcycle lights are even more annoying than DRLs. Their
>> > intensity is so high that I am truly blinded when they approach
>> > from the front. My opinion is motorcycles would be more visible if
>> > they had better lighting systems on their side and backs.
>> >
>> > -- Dave Hill
>>
>> Motorcycle DRL have the OPTION of running either High or Low beam at
>> full intensity only. You might stop to consider that ... most
>> motorcycle FATALITIES are due to the dimwitted car driver make a LEFT
>> TURN ACROSS the path of the oncoming motorcyclist. So putting more
>> visibility on the sides and rear of the motorcycle speaks to a
>> deficiency in your vision.
>>
>> -Philip
>>
>> -Philip
>
> Philip-Philip,
>
> Nice to see you back. I guess you are the old Philip, judging from
> your sarcastic response.
>
> Anyway, whether motorcycle fatalities are primarily a result of someone
> turning in front of them or other reasons is not what I was inferring.
> Motorcycles have more than enough lighting on the front. I have been
> with people in the car where they haven't noticed motorcycles in
> adjacent lanes or misjudged their spacing because they are used to
> larger vehicles. Better lighting systems (I am not an engineer) on the
> side and back will help make these smaller vehicles noticeable to the
> drivers who have their head up their ass or a cell phone growing out of
> their ear.
>
> --

That's your opinion. The Hurt Report says otherwise.

-Philip

 

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Are you also including never riding in RWD Crown Victorias? You know how
those things catch fire when rear ended. ;^)


"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:jVmdnSL3mIH9frPeUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> There are reams of evidence that clearly shows that SRS and seat bets will
> save many more lives in frontal collisions than if one is not belted. One
> of my tasks as a design engineer was to develop safer vehicles for
> properly belted passengers, I know the benefits far outweigh and risks
> from being belted. I will not move my vehicle unless every one is belted.
> I also know enough to never ride in a small FWD vehicle to save a relative
> few dollars on fuel.
>
>
>
> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:totXe.262448$tt5.74526@edtnps90...
>>
>> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns96D5DCC5BE92Dtegger@207.14.113.17...
>>> "\"Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote in
>>> news:nttspam-2F49B5.16130118092005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <H62dnQdxRbMtTLDeUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That is questionable. Tests by the engineering department of two
>>>>> universities in the US says otherwise. The results of those studies
>>>>> shows DRLs can cause as many accidents as they may prevent. That was
>>>>> the main reason they were not made mandatory in the US by the
>>>>> Congress several years ago when GM made that request.
>>>>>
>>>>> mike hunt
>>>>
>>>> I've been in a couple of situations where if I did not have the DRL
>>>> the driver may not have seen me for a brief second. This is
>>>> subjective. Just my observation of the moment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Problem is, up here people tend to look for the lights, not for the car.
>>>
>>> DRLs make you more careless/less careful.
>>
>> The same can be said about seat belts or air bags--totally anecdotal
>> evidence that some people believe that belts and bags make them immortal,
>> even in head on collisions. However, I, for one, still USE my belts and
>> keep the bags activated but drive with the assumption that I'll have the
>> protection of an eggshell in any collision.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> TeGGeR®
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

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""Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote in message
news:nttspam-04AC89.11344819092005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> In article <6mzXe.621$vw6.76@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:xn0e7ei95bw4qq002@news.readfreenews.net...
>> > Don Fearn, 9/18/2005,
>> > <v9rri1h50t0nl4js339iclbd46kpao8c31@4ax.com>,6:45:36 PM, wrote:
>> >
>> >> I coulda sworn "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> typ'd:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > In addition there is a marked increase in the danger to operators
>> >> > of motorcycles whose headlamps seem to disappear among a sea of
>> >> > vehicle operated with DRLs.
>> >>
>> >> That's my main objection to DRLs. But to up the ante, I have installed
>> >> a modulated headlight on my motorcycle that I run during the bright
>> >> daylight hours. It shouts "MOTORCYCLE" to oncoming traffic and helps
>> >> make sure I'm seen in the sea of other vehicles. I still ride as if
>> >> I'm invisible, though, and it must be working 'cause I've ridden over
>> >> 25 years and a few hundreds of thousands of miles without a crash on
>> >> my motorcycle.
>> >>
>> >> -Don
>> >
>> > Motorcycle lights are even more annoying than DRLs. Their intensity is
>> > so high that I am truly blinded when they approach from the front. My
>> > opinion is motorcycles would be more visible if they had better
>> > lighting systems on their side and backs.
>> >
>> > -- Dave Hill
>>
>> Motorcycle DRL have the OPTION of running either High or Low beam at full
>> intensity only. You might stop to consider that ... most motorcycle
>> FATALITIES are due to the dimwitted car driver make a LEFT TURN ACROSS
>> the
>> path of the oncoming motorcyclist. So putting more visibility on the
>> sides
>> and rear of the motorcycle speaks to a deficiency in your vision.
>>
>> -Philip
>>
>> -Philip
>
> Something I found invaluable on my motorcycle was a air horn, they
> thought it was a 18 wheeler coming.
> --

Being a retired OTR (18wheeler driver), I ASSURE you there is NOTHING you
can put on your 2 wheeler that equals a semi truck's air horn for decibels
nor tone.

--

- Philip

 

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In article <4cDXe.539$QE1.28@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:

> ""Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote in message
> news:nttspam-04AC89.11344819092005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > In article <6mzXe.621$vw6.76@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:xn0e7ei95bw4qq002@news.readfreenews.net...
> >> > Don Fearn, 9/18/2005,
> >> > <v9rri1h50t0nl4js339iclbd46kpao8c31@4ax.com>,6:45:36 PM, wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I coulda sworn "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> typ'd:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > In addition there is a marked increase in the danger to operators
> >> >> > of motorcycles whose headlamps seem to disappear among a sea of
> >> >> > vehicle operated with DRLs.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's my main objection to DRLs. But to up the ante, I have installed
> >> >> a modulated headlight on my motorcycle that I run during the bright
> >> >> daylight hours. It shouts "MOTORCYCLE" to oncoming traffic and helps
> >> >> make sure I'm seen in the sea of other vehicles. I still ride as if
> >> >> I'm invisible, though, and it must be working 'cause I've ridden over
> >> >> 25 years and a few hundreds of thousands of miles without a crash on
> >> >> my motorcycle.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Don
> >> >
> >> > Motorcycle lights are even more annoying than DRLs. Their intensity is
> >> > so high that I am truly blinded when they approach from the front. My
> >> > opinion is motorcycles would be more visible if they had better
> >> > lighting systems on their side and backs.
> >> >
> >> > -- Dave Hill
> >>
> >> Motorcycle DRL have the OPTION of running either High or Low beam at full
> >> intensity only. You might stop to consider that ... most motorcycle
> >> FATALITIES are due to the dimwitted car driver make a LEFT TURN ACROSS
> >> the
> >> path of the oncoming motorcyclist. So putting more visibility on the
> >> sides
> >> and rear of the motorcycle speaks to a deficiency in your vision.
> >>
> >> -Philip
> >>
> >> -Philip
> >
> > Something I found invaluable on my motorcycle was a air horn, they
> > thought it was a 18 wheeler coming.
> > --
>
> Being a retired OTR (18wheeler driver), I ASSURE you there is NOTHING you
> can put on your 2 wheeler that equals a semi truck's air horn for decibels
> nor tone.

How about a 140 db train horn. Seriously you are probably right, but
mine had a motor which drove a small air compressor. It was very loud.
--

 

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"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> newsqtXe.262449$tt5.162967@edtnps90...
>>
>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:jcXWe.13785$FW1.10869@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> newsdSWe.171798$wr.171123@clgrps12...
>>>>
>>>> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>>>> news:Xns96D3EA5423668tegger@207.14.113.17...
>>>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:xn0e7bpjct4hha1002@news.readfreenews.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Charles Pisano, 9/16/2005,
>>>>>> <12540-432B79BB-105@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>,10:04:43 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I lurk on the Edmunds sienna prices paid and buying experiences DB.
>>>>>>> And someone there is claiming to be able to enable non-DRL vehicles
>>>>>>> to have DRL's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have 'em on my Camry, but would like to have them without having
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> pay for them on a Sienna. Anyone know if this can be done as
>>>>>>> claimed
>>>>>>> and how? And if it can be done on any other toyo models?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This topic in reverse was my introduction to this newsgroup. It was
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> ridiculously long thread with so much bickering and name-calling that
>>>>>> it was worse than these political discussions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, yeah! You wanted to kill them! I did too! I drove a giant oaken
>>>>> stake through the heart of mine and chanted ancient Runic curses
>>>>> against
>>>>> their very existence to make sure they'd never come back! Yeah!
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, anyone who wants to kill theirs can either read the
>>>>> relevant
>>>>> Toyota TSB (EL011-00), or email me and I'll tell you how I did it
>>>>> (simpler
>>>>> than the TSB).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now watch closely, Grasshopper...as the flames begin!
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> TeGGeR®
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope, no flames from me. Darwin's Law will eventually prevail against
>>>> those who remove their DRL's. Some sight challenged driver won't see
>>>> your vehicle and BOOM, you are no more.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Have you bothered to tour a late model auto dismantler's yard to count
>>> the number of DRL equipped cars that found there way there? According
>>> to you, they shouldn't be there. But of 7 late model Jettas I looked
>>> (needed a couple of interior parts), 4 were there due to front end
>>> collisions.
>>>
>>> -Philip
>>
>> You don't know much about LOGIC, do you?
>
> YOU are NOT the one to teach anybody about logic. Frankly, Werner Von
> Braun (father of The Bomb) stated "Logic is a thought process the leads to
> wrong conclusions with confidence."
>
>
>> NO doubt there are NON smokers who get lung cancer. There are smokers who
>> live to be 100, too. There are also people who emerge from head on
>> collisions in beaters with NO BELTS, no bags etc unscathed. ON AVERAGE,
>> one is better off in a vehicle with functioning DRL's, seat belts and air
>> bags. Period. And, frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what you have to
>> say on the subject.
>
> Now where's the 'logic' in these closing sentences? Expressed by Sharx is
> only a juvenile, knee jerk, emotion. You remind me of those pedantic
> Christians who say "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it."
> Whooey.
>
> -Philip

You just do NOT get it. FOr THEM, that DOES settle it. Admit it, that is
THEIR belief and YOU are not going to change it, so MOVE ON.


>
>

 

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"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0e7ei95bw4qq002@news.readfreenews.net...
>> Don Fearn, 9/18/2005,
>> <v9rri1h50t0nl4js339iclbd46kpao8c31@4ax.com>,6:45:36 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> I coulda sworn "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> typ'd:
>>>
>>>
>>> > In addition there is a marked increase in the danger to operators
>>> > of motorcycles whose headlamps seem to disappear among a sea of
>>> > vehicle operated with DRLs.
>>>
>>> That's my main objection to DRLs. But to up the ante, I have installed
>>> a modulated headlight on my motorcycle that I run during the bright
>>> daylight hours. It shouts "MOTORCYCLE" to oncoming traffic and helps
>>> make sure I'm seen in the sea of other vehicles. I still ride as if
>>> I'm invisible, though, and it must be working 'cause I've ridden over
>>> 25 years and a few hundreds of thousands of miles without a crash on
>>> my motorcycle.
>>>
>>> -Don
>>
>> Motorcycle lights are even more annoying than DRLs. Their intensity is
>> so high that I am truly blinded when they approach from the front. My
>> opinion is motorcycles would be more visible if they had better
>> lighting systems on their side and backs.
>>
>> -- Dave Hill
>
> Motorcycle DRL have the OPTION of running either High or Low beam at full
> intensity only. You might stop to consider that ... most motorcycle
> FATALITIES are due to the dimwitted car driver make a LEFT TURN ACROSS the
> path of the oncoming motorcyclist. So putting more visibility on the
> sides and rear of the motorcycle speaks to a deficiency in your vision.
>
> -Philip
>
> -Philip

IT's precisely THAT attitude that kills people on the road. Have you ever
heard about DEFENSIVE driving? Hell, if I was operating a smaller vehicle,
such as a motorcycle, I would ASSUME the butthead wsas GOING to turn left in
front of me and adjust my speed according, leaving myself options on what I
could safely do, should he make the illegal turn.




>
>

 

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"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4cDXe.537$QE1.468@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0e7fenwa1nva7001@news.readfreenews.net...
>> Philip, 9/19/2005, 9:49:54 AM,
>> <6mzXe.621$vw6.76@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:xn0e7ei95bw4qq002@news.readfreenews.net...
>>> > Don Fearn, 9/18/2005,
>>> > <v9rri1h50t0nl4js339iclbd46kpao8c31@4ax.com>,6:45:36 PM, wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>I coulda sworn "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> typ'd:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >>> In addition there is a marked increase in the danger to operators
>>> >>> of motorcycles whose headlamps seem to disappear among a sea of
>>> >>> vehicle operated with DRLs.
>>> > >
>>> > > That's my main objection to DRLs. But to up the ante, I have
>>> > > installed a modulated headlight on my motorcycle that I run
>>> > > during the bright daylight hours. It shouts "MOTORCYCLE" to
>>> > > oncoming traffic and helps make sure I'm seen in the sea of other
>>> > > vehicles. I still ride as if I'm invisible, though, and it must
>>> > > be working 'cause I've ridden over 25 years and a few hundreds of
>>> > > thousands of miles without a crash on my motorcycle.
>>> > >
>>> > > -Don
>>> >
>>> > Motorcycle lights are even more annoying than DRLs. Their
>>> > intensity is so high that I am truly blinded when they approach
>>> > from the front. My opinion is motorcycles would be more visible if
>>> > they had better lighting systems on their side and backs.
>>> >
>>> > -- Dave Hill
>>>
>>> Motorcycle DRL have the OPTION of running either High or Low beam at
>>> full intensity only. You might stop to consider that ... most
>>> motorcycle FATALITIES are due to the dimwitted car driver make a LEFT
>>> TURN ACROSS the path of the oncoming motorcyclist. So putting more
>>> visibility on the sides and rear of the motorcycle speaks to a
>>> deficiency in your vision.
>>>
>>> -Philip
>>>
>>> -Philip
>>
>> Philip-Philip,
>>
>> Nice to see you back. I guess you are the old Philip, judging from
>> your sarcastic response.
>>
>> Anyway, whether motorcycle fatalities are primarily a result of someone
>> turning in front of them or other reasons is not what I was inferring.
>> Motorcycles have more than enough lighting on the front. I have been
>> with people in the car where they haven't noticed motorcycles in
>> adjacent lanes or misjudged their spacing because they are used to
>> larger vehicles. Better lighting systems (I am not an engineer) on the
>> side and back will help make these smaller vehicles noticeable to the
>> drivers who have their head up their ass or a cell phone growing out of
>> their ear.
>>
>> --
>
> That's your opinion. The Hurt Report says otherwise.
>
> -Philip

The Hurt Report is generally discredited.


>
>

 

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"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Are you also including never riding in RWD Crown Victorias? You know how
> those things catch fire when rear ended. ;^)

Your ass probably catches fire when you get rear ended without previously
applying lubricant.


>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:jVmdnSL3mIH9frPeUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> There are reams of evidence that clearly shows that SRS and seat bets
>> will save many more lives in frontal collisions than if one is not
>> belted. One of my tasks as a design engineer was to develop safer
>> vehicles for properly belted passengers, I know the benefits far outweigh
>> and risks from being belted. I will not move my vehicle unless every one
>> is belted. I also know enough to never ride in a small FWD vehicle to
>> save a relative few dollars on fuel.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:totXe.262448$tt5.74526@edtnps90...
>>>
>>> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns96D5DCC5BE92Dtegger@207.14.113.17...
>>>> "\"Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote in
>>>> news:nttspam-2F49B5.16130118092005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <H62dnQdxRbMtTLDeUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
>>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That is questionable. Tests by the engineering department of two
>>>>>> universities in the US says otherwise. The results of those studies
>>>>>> shows DRLs can cause as many accidents as they may prevent. That was
>>>>>> the main reason they were not made mandatory in the US by the
>>>>>> Congress several years ago when GM made that request.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mike hunt
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been in a couple of situations where if I did not have the DRL
>>>>> the driver may not have seen me for a brief second. This is
>>>>> subjective. Just my observation of the moment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Problem is, up here people tend to look for the lights, not for the
>>>> car.
>>>>
>>>> DRLs make you more careless/less careful.
>>>
>>> The same can be said about seat belts or air bags--totally anecdotal
>>> evidence that some people believe that belts and bags make them
>>> immortal, even in head on collisions. However, I, for one, still USE my
>>> belts and keep the bags activated but drive with the assumption that
>>> I'll have the protection of an eggshell in any collision.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> TeGGeR®
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

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""Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote in message
news:nttspam-AF67CE.13171919092005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> In article <4cDXe.539$QE1.28@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> ""Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote in message
>> news:nttspam-04AC89.11344819092005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > In article <6mzXe.621$vw6.76@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
>> > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:xn0e7ei95bw4qq002@news.readfreenews.net...
>> >> > Don Fearn, 9/18/2005,
>> >> > <v9rri1h50t0nl4js339iclbd46kpao8c31@4ax.com>,6:45:36 PM, wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I coulda sworn "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> typ'd:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > In addition there is a marked increase in the danger to operators
>> >> >> > of motorcycles whose headlamps seem to disappear among a sea of
>> >> >> > vehicle operated with DRLs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's my main objection to DRLs. But to up the ante, I have
>> >> >> installed
>> >> >> a modulated headlight on my motorcycle that I run during the bright
>> >> >> daylight hours. It shouts "MOTORCYCLE" to oncoming traffic and
>> >> >> helps
>> >> >> make sure I'm seen in the sea of other vehicles. I still ride as if
>> >> >> I'm invisible, though, and it must be working 'cause I've ridden
>> >> >> over
>> >> >> 25 years and a few hundreds of thousands of miles without a crash
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> my motorcycle.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Don
>> >> >
>> >> > Motorcycle lights are even more annoying than DRLs. Their intensity
>> >> > is
>> >> > so high that I am truly blinded when they approach from the front.
>> >> > My
>> >> > opinion is motorcycles would be more visible if they had better
>> >> > lighting systems on their side and backs.
>> >> >
>> >> > -- Dave Hill
>> >>
>> >> Motorcycle DRL have the OPTION of running either High or Low beam at
>> >> full
>> >> intensity only. You might stop to consider that ... most motorcycle
>> >> FATALITIES are due to the dimwitted car driver make a LEFT TURN ACROSS
>> >> the
>> >> path of the oncoming motorcyclist. So putting more visibility on the
>> >> sides
>> >> and rear of the motorcycle speaks to a deficiency in your vision.
>> >>
>> >> -Philip
>> >>
>> >> -Philip
>> >
>> > Something I found invaluable on my motorcycle was a air horn, they
>> > thought it was a 18 wheeler coming.
>> > --
>>
>> Being a retired OTR (18wheeler driver), I ASSURE you there is NOTHING you
>> can put on your 2 wheeler that equals a semi truck's air horn for
>> decibels
>> nor tone.
>
> How about a 140 db train horn. Seriously you are probably right, but
> mine had a motor which drove a small air compressor. It was very loud.
> --

Yeah yeah .... I've installed a few of those FIAMM pneumatic horns. They
would work a LOT better if they were lower toned and had an air ballast tank
with 110 psi ready.

-Philip

 

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"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:6mzXe.622$vw6.317@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> newsqtXe.262449$tt5.162967@edtnps90...
>>>
>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:jcXWe.13785$FW1.10869@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> newsdSWe.171798$wr.171123@clgrps12...
>>>>>
>>>>> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Xns96D3EA5423668tegger@207.14.113.17...
>>>>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:xn0e7bpjct4hha1002@news.readfreenews.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charles Pisano, 9/16/2005,
>>>>>>> <12540-432B79BB-105@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>,10:04:43 PM,
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I lurk on the Edmunds sienna prices paid and buying experiences DB.
>>>>>>>> And someone there is claiming to be able to enable non-DRL vehicles
>>>>>>>> to have DRL's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have 'em on my Camry, but would like to have them without having
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> pay for them on a Sienna. Anyone know if this can be done as
>>>>>>>> claimed
>>>>>>>> and how? And if it can be done on any other toyo models?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This topic in reverse was my introduction to this newsgroup. It was
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> ridiculously long thread with so much bickering and name-calling
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> it was worse than these political discussions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, yeah! You wanted to kill them! I did too! I drove a giant oaken
>>>>>> stake through the heart of mine and chanted ancient Runic curses
>>>>>> against
>>>>>> their very existence to make sure they'd never come back! Yeah!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, anyone who wants to kill theirs can either read the
>>>>>> relevant
>>>>>> Toyota TSB (EL011-00), or email me and I'll tell you how I did it
>>>>>> (simpler
>>>>>> than the TSB).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now watch closely, Grasshopper...as the flames begin!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> TeGGeR®
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, no flames from me. Darwin's Law will eventually prevail against
>>>>> those who remove their DRL's. Some sight challenged driver won't see
>>>>> your vehicle and BOOM, you are no more.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have you bothered to tour a late model auto dismantler's yard to count
>>>> the number of DRL equipped cars that found there way there? According
>>>> to you, they shouldn't be there. But of 7 late model Jettas I looked
>>>> (needed a couple of interior parts), 4 were there due to front end
>>>> collisions.
>>>>
>>>> -Philip
>>>
>>> You don't know much about LOGIC, do you?
>>
>> YOU are NOT the one to teach anybody about logic. Frankly, Werner Von
>> Braun (father of The Bomb) stated "Logic is a thought process the leads
>> to wrong conclusions with confidence."
>>
>>
>>> NO doubt there are NON smokers who get lung cancer. There are smokers
>>> who live to be 100, too. There are also people who emerge from head on
>>> collisions in beaters with NO BELTS, no bags etc unscathed. ON AVERAGE,
>>> one is better off in a vehicle with functioning DRL's, seat belts and
>>> air bags. Period. And, frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what you have
>>> to say on the subject.
>>
>> Now where's the 'logic' in these closing sentences? Expressed by Sharx
>> is only a juvenile, knee jerk, emotion. You remind me of those pedantic
>> Christians who say "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it."
>> Whooey.
>>
>> -Philip
>
> You just do NOT get it. FOr THEM, that DOES settle it. Admit it, that is
> THEIR belief and YOU are not going to change it, so MOVE ON.

As usual, you can't string a coherant thought on paper. You said "I don't
give a flying f...." so you were speaking of your own beliefs. Own your
beliefs rather than hiding your embarrassement for being recognized..

-Philip

 

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"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:6mzXe.621$vw6.76@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:xn0e7ei95bw4qq002@news.readfreenews.net...
>>> Don Fearn, 9/18/2005,
>>> <v9rri1h50t0nl4js339iclbd46kpao8c31@4ax.com>,6:45:36 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> I coulda sworn "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> typ'd:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > In addition there is a marked increase in the danger to operators
>>>> > of motorcycles whose headlamps seem to disappear among a sea of
>>>> > vehicle operated with DRLs.
>>>>
>>>> That's my main objection to DRLs. But to up the ante, I have installed
>>>> a modulated headlight on my motorcycle that I run during the bright
>>>> daylight hours. It shouts "MOTORCYCLE" to oncoming traffic and helps
>>>> make sure I'm seen in the sea of other vehicles. I still ride as if
>>>> I'm invisible, though, and it must be working 'cause I've ridden over
>>>> 25 years and a few hundreds of thousands of miles without a crash on
>>>> my motorcycle.
>>>>
>>>> -Don
>>>
>>> Motorcycle lights are even more annoying than DRLs. Their intensity is
>>> so high that I am truly blinded when they approach from the front. My
>>> opinion is motorcycles would be more visible if they had better
>>> lighting systems on their side and backs.
>>>
>>> -- Dave Hill
>>
>> Motorcycle DRL have the OPTION of running either High or Low beam at full
>> intensity only. You might stop to consider that ... most motorcycle
>> FATALITIES are due to the dimwitted car driver make a LEFT TURN ACROSS
>> the path of the oncoming motorcyclist. So putting more visibility on the
>> sides and rear of the motorcycle speaks to a deficiency in your vision.
>>
>> -Philip
>>
>> -Philip
>
> IT's precisely THAT attitude that kills people on the road. Have you ever
> heard about DEFENSIVE driving? Hell, if I was operating a smaller vehicle,
> such as a motorcycle, I would ASSUME the butthead wsas GOING to turn left
> in front of me and adjust my speed according, leaving myself options on
> what I could safely do, should he make the illegal turn.

You don't ride a motorcycle so as usual, your ass is speaking. It's like the
single person who articulates what he/she KNOWS how they would correct
somebody else's misbehaving children.

-Philip

 

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"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:4cDXe.537$QE1.468@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:xn0e7fenwa1nva7001@news.readfreenews.net...
>>> Philip, 9/19/2005, 9:49:54 AM,
>>> <6mzXe.621$vw6.76@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:xn0e7ei95bw4qq002@news.readfreenews.net...
>>>> > Don Fearn, 9/18/2005,
>>>> > <v9rri1h50t0nl4js339iclbd46kpao8c31@4ax.com>,6:45:36 PM, wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>I coulda sworn "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> typ'd:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >>> In addition there is a marked increase in the danger to operators
>>>> >>> of motorcycles whose headlamps seem to disappear among a sea of
>>>> >>> vehicle operated with DRLs.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > That's my main objection to DRLs. But to up the ante, I have
>>>> > > installed a modulated headlight on my motorcycle that I run
>>>> > > during the bright daylight hours. It shouts "MOTORCYCLE" to
>>>> > > oncoming traffic and helps make sure I'm seen in the sea of other
>>>> > > vehicles. I still ride as if I'm invisible, though, and it must
>>>> > > be working 'cause I've ridden over 25 years and a few hundreds of
>>>> > > thousands of miles without a crash on my motorcycle.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > -Don
>>>> >
>>>> > Motorcycle lights are even more annoying than DRLs. Their
>>>> > intensity is so high that I am truly blinded when they approach
>>>> > from the front. My opinion is motorcycles would be more visible if
>>>> > they had better lighting systems on their side and backs.
>>>> >
>>>> > -- Dave Hill
>>>>
>>>> Motorcycle DRL have the OPTION of running either High or Low beam at
>>>> full intensity only. You might stop to consider that ... most
>>>> motorcycle FATALITIES are due to the dimwitted car driver make a LEFT
>>>> TURN ACROSS the path of the oncoming motorcyclist. So putting more
>>>> visibility on the sides and rear of the motorcycle speaks to a
>>>> deficiency in your vision.
>>>>
>>>> -Philip
>>>>
>>>> -Philip
>>>
>>> Philip-Philip,
>>>
>>> Nice to see you back. I guess you are the old Philip, judging from
>>> your sarcastic response.
>>>
>>> Anyway, whether motorcycle fatalities are primarily a result of someone
>>> turning in front of them or other reasons is not what I was inferring.
>>> Motorcycles have more than enough lighting on the front. I have been
>>> with people in the car where they haven't noticed motorcycles in
>>> adjacent lanes or misjudged their spacing because they are used to
>>> larger vehicles. Better lighting systems (I am not an engineer) on the
>>> side and back will help make these smaller vehicles noticeable to the
>>> drivers who have their head up their ass or a cell phone growing out of
>>> their ear.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> That's your opinion. The Hurt Report says otherwise.
>>
>> -Philip
>
> The Hurt Report is generally discredited.

Until you look it up and see how often the most comprehensive investigation
on motorcycle safety ever done is sourced, you are speaking out your ass
..... again. You're worse than Mike Hunt regarding Fords.

-Philip