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Originally, I was looking for a Volvo wagon D5, but import process too much and aftermarket is non-existant...anyway.

I'm considering this car(hatch 6-speed manual), but wondering about reliability? I know everyone thinks Toyota's always last forever no matter what(especially Toyota fanboys), but my experience says otherwise.

So, have any of these made it to 500k?

Also, what's the aftermarket for replacement parts like? Especially considering the Denso sale, future Toyota aftermarket seems neutered because of that.

What are the differences between the 2019s and the newer models? I've seen similar mileage 21s that are significantly more expensive than the 19. Is the 19 a dud year because it was the initial release? I'm always a bit hesitant to buy the initial release year because of recalls and bad design.
 
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Highest mileage I've seen for HB was 250K miles (400K km) and no reported issues, car was sold at that mileage and is still likely alive. With proper maintenance that is achievable...

Toyota is selling some of its shares in Denso, but not severing the business relationship. Many OEMs have done similar moves over the years, e.g. GM's sale of Delphi, etc. Denso will continue to operate as usual, making and selling parts...

2019 ~ 2024 hatch remained largely unchanged over the years. Most significant change was discontinuing of 6MT for 2023+ and going to 100% DS-CVT...

The recall was for first few 2019 cars, and once CVT's TQ converter was replaced there were no reports of any subsequent issues. If you are buying a 2019 6MT this does not apply. If you are buying a CVT model, make sure that VIN does not fall into the recall, and if it does that the recall was applied...
 
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So, have any of these made it to 500k?
Also, what's the aftermarket for replacement parts like?
The hatchback is as reliable as any other Corolla which doesn’t mean indestructible or without glitch for 500K, as for any car. The first batch of 2019, though (± 3000 units from Japan) had a CVT recall because of defective materials. That could affect the value of a specific unit, especially if it didn’t have the required CVT replacement. That’s something to check.

There sure is a Volvo (pre Chinese ownership) with one million+ miles, but also some Ford and Chevy… showing that those are rather anecdotal without much detail on driving / repair history. Not sure that many hatchback owners could share experience about having already reached that 500K in the four years the model has been on the market anyway.

Denso shouldn’t be affected much by Toyota selling part of its participation. Toyota will still remain the biggest shareholder. It’s more of a financial / accountant book operation as, for whatever reason, it’s now a trend on the Japan stock market to reduce cross-shareholding. Transformation of the car market itself (EV, affordability, sustainability) is more of a concern but for now, Toyota owners and Toyota as a manufacturer are a too significant part of it to be ignored by a company.
 
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Previous Volvo V70R owner here, the wagon has a turbo 5 engine with all kinds of bells and whistles, lots of space for hauling stuff, and it is comfortable and fast, can cruise at an arrest-me-now speed and not break a sweat. However, that is like apples and oranges while comparing with Corolla. They have different target markets.

We have our 6MT 2019 Corolla HB since new. In the 4+ years, in addition to routine maintenance, I spent about $100 for one leaky rear shock. Other than that it has been bullet proof with no issues. There is no wide spread report of other 2019 issues being Version 1.0, other than the already mentioned small batch of CVT recalls. As others have already indicated, there isn’t much change from 2019 to 2024 other than small different items in packaging. Aside from no Android Auto, our Canadian version of the 2019 SE Upgrade has no SOS button, but it came with a power lumbar support for the manual driver seat which I believe it was deleted after 2019 for the SE Upgrade trim.

The Corolla MSRP has gone up slightly every year, which is normal. But COVID brought on supply shortage and car prices were inflated in a big way. Instead of getting a discount from the MSRP pre-COVID, people were searching for dealers willing to sell at MSRP. The out the door price for the same car was much higher than it should be. That may explain why the asking price is higher now for the later years cars.

The Corolla is a high volume bread and butter car sold worldwide. It would be high risk for Toyota to screw this one up. Don’t think too many 2019 have a chance to hit 500k yet, but I would bet 500k is very achievable if you don’t abuse it and keep up the proper maintenance.
 
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I believe he used it for Uber/Lyft, so heavy city extreme use, and considering that he wanted to NX it at some point, I think he drove it like he stole it 🙊
 
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Also, wondering opinions ye old Matrix vs Corolla Hatchback? Is it worth tracking down a 6 speed manual Matrix? From my experience driving stick, I absolutely must have 6 speed. Corolla Hatch has a lot of bells and whistles, but that doesn't interest me. Mid-90s is peak auto-tech if you ask me. Yea, modern engine design has improved, but I can do without all that electronics.

Matrix is certainly cheaper, so it's got that going for it. I'm assuming the Hatchback has more horsepower.
 
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Also, wondering opinions ye old Matrix vs Corolla Hatchback? Is it worth tracking down a 6 speed manual Matrix? From my experience driving stick, I absolutely must have 6 speed. Corolla Hatch has a lot of bells and whistles, but that doesn't interest me. Mid-90s is peak auto-tech if you ask me. Yea, modern engine design has improved, but I can do without all that electronics.

Matrix is certainly cheaper, so it's got that going for it. I'm assuming the Hatchback has more horsepower.
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oooffff lol

only the XRS matrix prior to 2008 had the 2zz-ge engine.
very much a unicorn at this point.

after 2008 the matrix s and xrs shared the same 2.4 2azfe engine and 5spd transmission.
the car had torque from the 2.4 but the rest of the car was a dog. the DBW was laggy and unresponsive. the EPS had no feel at all. with the 2.4 and an open diff, it was garbage in the snow, and not great in the rain.

just because a car is 6spd, doesn't mean its good, or "better" than a 5spd.
sometimes it will just be a 5spd with another OD gear tacked on...

there are still some manual cars out there but are they worth driving?
 
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oooffff lol

only the XRS matrix prior to 2008 had the 2zz-ge engine.
very much a unicorn at this point.

after 2008 the matrix s and xrs shared the same 2.4 2azfe engine and 5spd transmission.
the car had torque from the 2.4 but the rest of the car was a dog. the DBW was laggy and unresponsive. the EPS had no feel at all. with the 2.4 and an open diff, it was garbage in the snow, and not great in the rain.

just because a car is 6spd, doesn't mean its good, or "better" than a 5spd.
sometimes it will just be a 5spd with another OD gear tacked on...

there are still some manual cars out there but are they worth driving?
I enjoyed driving both 2nd gen XRS and 4WD Matrix. EPS design on Matrix is different and better than same gen Corolla. With good tires, both were great on wet/snow, esp 4WD version. XRS had 18" and 4WD 17" stock wheels...

I didn't fit into 1st gen well at all, shifting was difficult. 2nd gen had improved seat position for me...
 
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#23 ·
i was younger at the time and really wanted more out of the commuter car...
i was also more aggressive with it.
so that probably plays a big part.
i had summer only tires in the summer and winter only in the winter.
my expectations were probably just too high.
BUT i did like the engine.
One thing I liked about 2nd gen Matrix 2AZ was that it could use tC's TRD supercharger, it was under $3K for a full kit straight from dealer and maintained factory warranty. MT didn't need ECM reflash, only AT did...

 
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