I was just wondering some things that i could do to my 22re to get some more power out of it.
how to get more power from 22re
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Rip it out and drop in a bigger/better motor...
There are things you can do to the 22RE to get a little more power out of it such as cam, bigger valves, exhaust, etc., but I am convinced that there is nothing you can ever do to it to get any appreciable power out of it.
During the timing chain replacement I just did I found out I had a bunch of bent valves in my head so I got another off ebay from J and C Enterprises. This head had the stage 2 Crane Cam in it along with the engnbldr OS SS valves and heavier springs too. My engine runs pretty good now but it still runs like the same old 22RE. What I liken it to is that you know how your engine has good days and bad days, it just feels like its having a good day everyday. My next step is an exhaust system to help get more air out of the motor.
That said I bet I got at least a 10% increase in horsepower from the head alone, but it just really doesn't make a difference.
If I keep the truck, after the first of the year its getting a V8 swap done to it. You can get a Chevy 350 SB crate motor that has 290hp/330 lbs of torque for right at $1600. That is not a rebuild either, that's a brand new factory crate motor. I figure another $2k in adapters and accessories and I'll be in business.
Now that is an increase in power...
There are things you can do to the 22RE to get a little more power out of it such as cam, bigger valves, exhaust, etc., but I am convinced that there is nothing you can ever do to it to get any appreciable power out of it.
During the timing chain replacement I just did I found out I had a bunch of bent valves in my head so I got another off ebay from J and C Enterprises. This head had the stage 2 Crane Cam in it along with the engnbldr OS SS valves and heavier springs too. My engine runs pretty good now but it still runs like the same old 22RE. What I liken it to is that you know how your engine has good days and bad days, it just feels like its having a good day everyday. My next step is an exhaust system to help get more air out of the motor.
That said I bet I got at least a 10% increase in horsepower from the head alone, but it just really doesn't make a difference.
If I keep the truck, after the first of the year its getting a V8 swap done to it. You can get a Chevy 350 SB crate motor that has 290hp/330 lbs of torque for right at $1600. That is not a rebuild either, that's a brand new factory crate motor. I figure another $2k in adapters and accessories and I'll be in business.
Now that is an increase in power...
There is a thread from engnbldr where he details things to do to the 22RE though and it is a good read...
http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=820891&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1
http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=820891&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1
More Power?
As most people posted earlier, you won't be upgrading to the power & torque of a SBC/SBF V8 swap, but you can add a few ponies with "bolt on" stuff.
Step 1: Open the exhaust.
- Add a cat back system.
- Add a header (and you might as well install a high flow cat while you are at it...)
Step 2: Open the intake
- Add a cone filter
- Add a "bored out" throttle body
- Extrude hone your intake manifold
Step 3: New cam
So much for the easy stuff...from now on, it gets more difficult and much more expensive:
- Install a "high flow" (big valve) head
- Rebuild bottom end as a stroker
If all else fails, add boost: You can probably get away with up to 5-6 lbs of boost on a stock engine. You can push a lot more boost, but you really need to have it rebuilt to drop the compression. Make sure you add all of the forged engine pieces you can find because this will stress your engine.
If you decide to go the V8 route, I recommend a LS1/LS2/LS6 all aluminium Chevy engine. It's light, and puts out about 350 hp in stock configuration.
As most people posted earlier, you won't be upgrading to the power & torque of a SBC/SBF V8 swap, but you can add a few ponies with "bolt on" stuff.
Step 1: Open the exhaust.
- Add a cat back system.
- Add a header (and you might as well install a high flow cat while you are at it...)
Step 2: Open the intake
- Add a cone filter
- Add a "bored out" throttle body
- Extrude hone your intake manifold
Step 3: New cam
So much for the easy stuff...from now on, it gets more difficult and much more expensive:
- Install a "high flow" (big valve) head
- Rebuild bottom end as a stroker
If all else fails, add boost: You can probably get away with up to 5-6 lbs of boost on a stock engine. You can push a lot more boost, but you really need to have it rebuilt to drop the compression. Make sure you add all of the forged engine pieces you can find because this will stress your engine.
If you decide to go the V8 route, I recommend a LS1/LS2/LS6 all aluminium Chevy engine. It's light, and puts out about 350 hp in stock configuration.
Another Zoner! How you liking these triple digits? It sounds like you're like me when it comes to money. And since I'm guessing you don't have $6000 for a turbo prepped 22RE pushing 11-15 psi from a T3/T4 Garret (see www.LCEngineering.com for drool material), here are your options. Find a decent V8 (craigslist.com, autotrader, salvage yards, etc.) package... that's motor, tranny, any related parts. Then call me up and we'll hit up my friend and yank that clip off and swap in that "new" V8. I'm new to Toyotas, but old V8s are easy (K5 Blazers, Suburbans, etc.) and we got the tools.
Second option.... get used to the little gas saver, throw some killer tunes in it and enjoy (that's what I'm doing for now). See the problem is, horsepower usually never comes cheap. At least not reliable horsepower. So check those sites out, Google stuff, and SERIOUSLY consider what is MOST important to YOU (not anyone else because YOU have to drive and maintain it). Once you decide, write it down and map out an actual plan and cost. That's just my opinion and it's worked for me so far. Just be realistic with it.
David
Second option.... get used to the little gas saver, throw some killer tunes in it and enjoy (that's what I'm doing for now). See the problem is, horsepower usually never comes cheap. At least not reliable horsepower. So check those sites out, Google stuff, and SERIOUSLY consider what is MOST important to YOU (not anyone else because YOU have to drive and maintain it). Once you decide, write it down and map out an actual plan and cost. That's just my opinion and it's worked for me so far. Just be realistic with it.
David
chevy or u could do a 5vz swap or supra swap, or do wat i wanna do put a tundra engine in it! by the way does anyone the the tundras engine names like 3.0l=3vz
Man, first post of the day and I was almost done with a 15 minute post and the friggin power just went out and it disappeared... I'll summarize it again.
The 4.7l V8 that's in the Tundra's and Sequoia's is the 2UZFE. There is an excellent chart of all the Toyota engines and price comparison's here:
http://www.orientengine.com/toyotaprice.html
They're awesome engines but a little pricey. I have one in my 4runner and it gives me a woody every time I floor it. That would be the best way to go but a main goal of my swap is so that once I'm done replacement parts will be plentiful, available, and cheap. I have literally seen SBC dress up parts in convenience stores around here. Beat that!
I am going to get a crate motor from Chevy when and if I do the job. They are brand new motors that have never been started in longblock form which means new heads and cam too. All you do is add a dual plane intake, 600cfm Holley, and distributor and you have a smog control free, 290hp/330lbs engine ready to run for about $2k. The motors themselves are $1585.
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/1971---1985-Passenger-Cars-and-Lt-Dty-Trks-350-LM1-New-Goodwrench-Engine-10067353--P62C0.aspx
You just about can't get a rebuilt 22RE for that. I know because I paid more than that for a used one from the junkyard.
If you want more power or cubes for your engine, keep looking:
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/
The easiest way to do the swap would be to get an adapter for the w56 transmission and bolt that right to the SBC which would leave the drivetrain stock from the tranny back. Supposedly the stock yota 5 speed will hold a V8 if you drive "sensibly"... :lol: This takes an adapter that replaces the yota bell housing.
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That's the one from Northwest Offroad...
The biggest part of doing the swap that way is the accessories on the front of the engine. They also make adapters for the AC and power steering but I have heard people using the Chevy stuff and adapting it to the Toyota system. This is why I am giving myself 6 months to do the research. Well that and the fact that I have no cash too right now is also making me wait. Com on Uncle Sam. :lol:
Another way is to use a Chevy transmission like the TH350 or the 700r. This way instead of using the bell housing adapter you use a transfer case adapter. This is what I want to do as I'd like to dump the manual transmission when I do it. The only added problems are transmission cooling lines, cooler, shift linkage and cross member supports. If money is tight I will use the stock 5 speed for a while then do the transmission swap later. I see it adding another $1-2k to the job honestly.
If you post on this forum regularly you'll probably learn a lot about this over the next 6 months as I am officially done with the 22re. As I learn about the v8 swap so will those around me as I am a bit of a chatterbox at times.
The 4.7l V8 that's in the Tundra's and Sequoia's is the 2UZFE. There is an excellent chart of all the Toyota engines and price comparison's here:
http://www.orientengine.com/toyotaprice.html
They're awesome engines but a little pricey. I have one in my 4runner and it gives me a woody every time I floor it. That would be the best way to go but a main goal of my swap is so that once I'm done replacement parts will be plentiful, available, and cheap. I have literally seen SBC dress up parts in convenience stores around here. Beat that!
I am going to get a crate motor from Chevy when and if I do the job. They are brand new motors that have never been started in longblock form which means new heads and cam too. All you do is add a dual plane intake, 600cfm Holley, and distributor and you have a smog control free, 290hp/330lbs engine ready to run for about $2k. The motors themselves are $1585.
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/1971---1985-Passenger-Cars-and-Lt-Dty-Trks-350-LM1-New-Goodwrench-Engine-10067353--P62C0.aspx
You just about can't get a rebuilt 22RE for that. I know because I paid more than that for a used one from the junkyard.
If you want more power or cubes for your engine, keep looking:
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/
The easiest way to do the swap would be to get an adapter for the w56 transmission and bolt that right to the SBC which would leave the drivetrain stock from the tranny back. Supposedly the stock yota 5 speed will hold a V8 if you drive "sensibly"... :lol: This takes an adapter that replaces the yota bell housing.
That's the one from Northwest Offroad...
The biggest part of doing the swap that way is the accessories on the front of the engine. They also make adapters for the AC and power steering but I have heard people using the Chevy stuff and adapting it to the Toyota system. This is why I am giving myself 6 months to do the research. Well that and the fact that I have no cash too right now is also making me wait. Com on Uncle Sam. :lol:
Another way is to use a Chevy transmission like the TH350 or the 700r. This way instead of using the bell housing adapter you use a transfer case adapter. This is what I want to do as I'd like to dump the manual transmission when I do it. The only added problems are transmission cooling lines, cooler, shift linkage and cross member supports. If money is tight I will use the stock 5 speed for a while then do the transmission swap later. I see it adding another $1-2k to the job honestly.
If you post on this forum regularly you'll probably learn a lot about this over the next 6 months as I am officially done with the 22re. As I learn about the v8 swap so will those around me as I am a bit of a chatterbox at times.
Also, one part I forgot, I was watching Trucks! on tv and they did a 4.3 to v8 swap and used all of the accessories from the 4.3 on the v8 including the serpentine belt system. My preliminary plans right now are to buy a wrecked or blown 4.3 s10 and rape the motor for all of the brackets and accessories and then ebay off the rest. That way I will probably have a transmission I could use too...
First off, I'm in Mesa. Secondly, I have to agree with OD. The CHEAP swap would be a SBC (small block chevy). Yes the supra motor would be sexy, but find one in running condition for under $1000. I know that salvage yards got them by the dozens for around $500 used and in decent condition. Plus like OD also said, the aftermarket stuff is EVERYWHERE and CHEAP. I had my old K5 blazer (400sb with 350 heads) dressed up with enough chrome to blind you during the day. And it all cost less then the intake on my old CRX. Seriously. Lastly, OD you are not the only one that gets the chatterbox bug. See my last couple posts. I'm with you on doing the V8 swap. But I'm going to wait until after our move in January to buy a salvage one and rebuild the whole thing in my spare time.
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Ovrrdrive Pretty Much Said It. He'll Say It Over And Over Again.
One Thing Though,
Why Dont You Just Buy A Wrecked Chevy Truck With A V-8 Already? I Mean I Wouldnt Rule That Out Either, A 4.3l Would Be My 2nd Choice But If The Price Was Right Id Get That And Then The Crate Motor Like You Said. The 4.3 Does Have3 A Serpintine Setup That Is Pretty Nice But I Think The 88-98 5.7l Also Have The Same Setup. Personally I Would Look For The V-8 And V-6 And Figure Out Which One Would Be The Easiest And Cheapest To Do Up. I Know Your All About A Crate Motor But If You Had The V-8 Already And You Tore It Down And Everything Checked Out Ok You Could Build A Helluva V-8 Or One That Was At Least The Same Hp For The Same Price If Not Alot Cheaper, Only Advantage Would Be That You Could Focus On The Fabrication Part Like The Mounts And Tranny/driveshafts. I Would Never Ditch My 4wd. I Think That The Chevy 4x4's Have A Tranny/xfer Case That Has The Output To The Front Wheel On The Passenger Side. That Would Be My Choice . The Adaptor From Advanced Adaptors Is A Good Piece From What Ive Read. Im Not Sure About The Type Of Tranny In The Chevy's And How The X Fer Case Mounts On The Tranny, If You Can Take A Regular 700r And Bolt Any Old X Fer Case On It Id Go With The One Made For It. If They Dont The X Fer Case In Your Truck May Work But It Isnt As Strong As The Ones Before They Switched Over To Ifs In 86 Bcause They Switched To Chain Drive. Check Marlin Crawler And All Pro Off Road. Theey Seem To Have Alot Of Info. I Know Your Over On Pirate Too, Anybody Who Posts There Will Get Flammed So Try Searching First.
If Your Confused About The Tranny Crossmember I Can Help You Fab Something . You Might Want To Just Simply Modify Your Original Crossmember Which Is Removable. Set The Engine In And Then Mock Up The Crossmember And Brainstorm , Cut ,weld Then Bolt It Up. Honest Ly The Hardest Part Will Be The Running Gears And How Your Decide To Go. Ive Got A Few 2wd Trannies Here. Not Sur Eif They Can Be Adapted To The 4wd Tailshaft With The X Fer Case. But I Do Know There Are Ways To Strengthen The Internals Of The Toyota Tranny.
Ill Have To Get Ahold Of A Buddy Who Has Done The Swap On An 89 4wd And Ask Him For Some Pointers. I Saw That Truck Throw 100 Foot Roosters From All 4 Tires. He Was Running The Piss Out Of It And I Think It Was All Done With Toyota Gears And The Adaptor. My Buddy Sean Built The Truck And Sold It To The Guy Who Has It Now. Il Lask Him The Details. I Gotta Call Him For That Weber Anyways.
One Thing Though,
Why Dont You Just Buy A Wrecked Chevy Truck With A V-8 Already? I Mean I Wouldnt Rule That Out Either, A 4.3l Would Be My 2nd Choice But If The Price Was Right Id Get That And Then The Crate Motor Like You Said. The 4.3 Does Have3 A Serpintine Setup That Is Pretty Nice But I Think The 88-98 5.7l Also Have The Same Setup. Personally I Would Look For The V-8 And V-6 And Figure Out Which One Would Be The Easiest And Cheapest To Do Up. I Know Your All About A Crate Motor But If You Had The V-8 Already And You Tore It Down And Everything Checked Out Ok You Could Build A Helluva V-8 Or One That Was At Least The Same Hp For The Same Price If Not Alot Cheaper, Only Advantage Would Be That You Could Focus On The Fabrication Part Like The Mounts And Tranny/driveshafts. I Would Never Ditch My 4wd. I Think That The Chevy 4x4's Have A Tranny/xfer Case That Has The Output To The Front Wheel On The Passenger Side. That Would Be My Choice . The Adaptor From Advanced Adaptors Is A Good Piece From What Ive Read. Im Not Sure About The Type Of Tranny In The Chevy's And How The X Fer Case Mounts On The Tranny, If You Can Take A Regular 700r And Bolt Any Old X Fer Case On It Id Go With The One Made For It. If They Dont The X Fer Case In Your Truck May Work But It Isnt As Strong As The Ones Before They Switched Over To Ifs In 86 Bcause They Switched To Chain Drive. Check Marlin Crawler And All Pro Off Road. Theey Seem To Have Alot Of Info. I Know Your Over On Pirate Too, Anybody Who Posts There Will Get Flammed So Try Searching First.
If Your Confused About The Tranny Crossmember I Can Help You Fab Something . You Might Want To Just Simply Modify Your Original Crossmember Which Is Removable. Set The Engine In And Then Mock Up The Crossmember And Brainstorm , Cut ,weld Then Bolt It Up. Honest Ly The Hardest Part Will Be The Running Gears And How Your Decide To Go. Ive Got A Few 2wd Trannies Here. Not Sur Eif They Can Be Adapted To The 4wd Tailshaft With The X Fer Case. But I Do Know There Are Ways To Strengthen The Internals Of The Toyota Tranny.
Ill Have To Get Ahold Of A Buddy Who Has Done The Swap On An 89 4wd And Ask Him For Some Pointers. I Saw That Truck Throw 100 Foot Roosters From All 4 Tires. He Was Running The Piss Out Of It And I Think It Was All Done With Toyota Gears And The Adaptor. My Buddy Sean Built The Truck And Sold It To The Guy Who Has It Now. Il Lask Him The Details. I Gotta Call Him For That Weber Anyways.
I was on Pirate when I had my Zuki... lol. I agree that you can find some great V8's if you just poke around. I knew a guy out here that had like 5 or 6 laying around and was selling them for about 300 bucks each. He basically went to the salvage yards and the classified ads, bought complete wrecks for parts he wanted then sold the rest for parts. Most times he got more then he paid for and actually built 2 nice trucks (for free) out of like a dozen trucks he bought and sold the leftovers off of. Just browse the classifieds, autotrader, craigslist, other chevy forums, maybe even ebay for AZ or close by. At the very worst, you get an idea for what a decent USED motor should cost. And then Google or Ebay "performance parts" for either the Chevy 5.7 or Chevy 350 (same thing). BUT as Subliminal said, if you find a nice V6 Chevy for cheap, grab it. Because the V6 is kind of an underestimated engine with a complete following of people that swear by it. Plus it's lighter...
Point is that any motor bigger then what's in there now will give you a bigger gain. Now what part of Hellizona are you in?
Point is that any motor bigger then what's in there now will give you a bigger gain. Now what part of Hellizona are you in?
:lol:subliminaltrips said:
Yeah, I'll probably milk this for the rest of the year then decide not to do it for whatever reason... I'm pretty gung ho right now though.
I will take whatever the best option is that's available at the time for sure. I haven't ruled out finding a runnint 4x4 Chevy with the V8 and doing a complete drivetrain swap from that to mine. Or hell, if the truck is nice enough I may drive it. Who knows?
I just think there will be more 4.3's out there and the people that have them hopefully don't know that there is inherant value to them they never considered. A 4.3 in the year I'm looking for with a blown motor should go pretty cheap, I'm hoping.
Hell, I may just get the serp system and accessories from Chevy with the crate. It would be about $800 more.
Or I may go with a completely used engine out of the swap donor vehicle. It all depends on the available funds at the time and how far I'm willing to go. I can do the swap at that time and upgrade to a crate motor later.
From what I've read on advanced adapters, I think my truck has a gear driven transfer case. They went back and forth a little, but I think I read it to say there is a very good chance mine is a gear drive.
Most likely I will just do the motor to the stock w56 at first when I do it just for simplicity. I can always sell the adapter for almost what I paid for it when i go back in and do the tranny. But of course I still have 6 months to study up and save $$$. Who knows what I'll do when the time comes.
As always, assistance will be appreciated!
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dude i have a downey catalog here and i was just looking at it for the millionth time and i figured out that all the prices are listed in the very back with teh part numbers. they have all the adaptors too. not sure if they are the same manufacturer or what. looks like an nv4500 tranny with an adaptor and then the stock tc would be a good way to go. not sure if the nv4500 fits all sbc or if its only for teh sb2's?
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i think your right, if i could get to the tranny right now id look but its burried under the bed of the truck until i get the engine built. i guess it would be easier for you to just go take a peek.
personally id go with a chevy tranny and the yota case. you would rather have an auto and im sure if any of the auto's will bolt up to the yota case??
personally id go with a chevy tranny and the yota case. you would rather have an auto and im sure if any of the auto's will bolt up to the yota case??
I read that info off of advanced adapters page in their catalog. They have adapters to go from a 2wd or 4wd chevy transmission if I read it correctly. I think I saw somewhere that you have to change the output shaft of the 2wd model though.subliminaltrips said:
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