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Hello, I was hoping someone here could help me with my 2004 Camry XLE. It has a 2.4L engine and a U241e automatic transmission. It has 240,000 miles on it and I have never had to do ANYTHING to it but change the oil, buy new tires, and replace the brake pads and battery. :)

A couple of weeks ago, while on a road trip, I was using the cruise control at about 75 mph. I could feel a slight surging and pulling back, so I just turned the cruise control off and drove without it. But then I noticed a "ticking" in the speedometer. At first, the needle on the speedometer would jump up and drop back down around 2 to 5 mph - but the vehicle was not surging like the speedometer said it was. A couple of times, I noticed the tachometer jump up to over 3500 for no apparent reason while I was cruising at around 75.

Several days later, I was driving at about 45 mph and the speedometer started fluctuating between 40 and 60. When I started to climb a little (not steep) hill, I saw the tachometer jump up to around 4000 and then drop right back down.

I took it to a mechanic and we went for a drive in it, but everything went fine (of course). I had noticed that it only acted up after it was warmed up - like after driving 20 or 30 miles. I had all day and a full tank of gas, so I decided that I would just drive it until it started acting up again, and then go back to the mechanic. About 7 miles down the highway, the speedometer started moving up and down erratically and the engine started surging. I turned back and was driving in the emergency lane at about 25 miles per hour when the speedometer dropped to zero, the tachometer jumped up to 4000 and the check engine light came on. It was as if the car was in neutral - I would accelerate, but there would be no power, then the transmission would engage for a little way and then it would seem to be back in neutral again even though I had the transmission in "Drive". I was limping along like that at about 25 mph but the speedometer continued to read zero.

When the mechanic took it into the work area later that day to get the check engine code, there was no code! He noted that it was idling at 16 RPM. (? is that normal?) He dropped the pan on the transmission to check for any evidence that the transmission was shot, but he said it looked good so he put in a new filter, gasket and the synthetic T-IV ATF. We also decided to put on a Vehicle Speed Sensor. Not sure where to begin, (because there is more than one) I bought a Dorman 917-603 Transmission Output Speed Sensor (the one with the big hole in it) and he installed it.

He took it for a little drive (just a couple of miles) and it did fine, so I went to take it out on the highway to see how it was going to act. This was new...as I was accelerating onto the highway, instead of the speedometer increasing at a smooth rate, it was jumping up in 2mph increments. When I got up to 65, I set the cruise control. It wasn't running smoothly, so I turned the cruise control off. After driving about 10 miles at 65 mph with the speedometer "ticking" a couple of mph, all of a sudden the speedometer started started fluctuating between 40 and 60. Then, with no warning the transmission downshifted and the tachometer jumped up to 5000. I braked heavily, shifted the transmission into neutral and moved into the emergency lane.

I drove back to the shop in the emergency lane and didn't have any more big problems, other than the speedometer cable moving erratically between 20 and 40 while I was driving about 30.

Anybody here have any idea what I should do next? I was thinking of buying the other output speed sensor - (the one with the long cylindrical shaft), but any suggestions anyone here might have would be greatly appreciated!
 
#4 ·
If you can find a speedometer cable on that vehicle, you have one of the rarest 04 in existence, and I'm sure Toyota would like to have a look at your Camry at their expense.

I was going to say.

No speedometer cable in the Gen5. They got rid of the speedometer cable from the Gen3 IIRC.

So the car is having erratic transmission issues and cluster going haywire. It's something either electronic or mechanical. I'm not sure what would cause the transmission to downshift. Although I would think if the car gear selector is in 'drive', it is a mechanical issue if it some how drops into neutral.

My Gen5 2004 SE MT had cluster issues with the RPM and gauge cluster would randomly fail from the first owner per the service records. They replaced a bunch of sensors and then wiring harness and the cluster....then again tho it's a manual transmission.
 
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#5 ·
Well, surging speedo needle will cause faulty cruise. It somehow is tied into speed control.
I had surging speedo needle once and found that it was worn out gear on speed sensor in driveaxle housing. Was $6 replacement vs Frost Transmission in Gadsden, AL, who told me that "worm gear inside the driveaxle hub needs to be replaced" to the tune of $800 plus tax and 3 day job. That's in 2002 money.
To what dealer told me there is no such thing in driveaxle. Dealer wanted to sell me entire sensor, but when asked, if gear itself can be bought, he chuckled and said yes.
I found this by jacking front end, loosening sensor bolt so it could be wiggled, turning engine on and putting it into D. I then started wiggling sensor and boom - speedo needle acted normal! I then simply stuck a sock between trannie housing and sensor, to keep it tilted towards driveaxle, and drove like this for 6 more months. Then finally replaced gear.
If you think about it, electronic sensor sends speed info to ECM, then that is translated to instrument cluster. Faulty signal from sensor will easily trigger ECM into putting car into limp mode for safety purpose.
 
#8 ·
WOW, 2009Camry1, what a great idea - to video the instrument panel while experiencing the problem...so much better than trying to describe it after limping along in the emergency lane for several miles!

Thanks for all the input everyone. And wouldn't it be awesome if the engineers would just stick with straight-forward equipment like speedometer cables? In all my naivety, that's what I told the mechanic when I first called him. "I think I'm having problems with my speedometer cable." "Ha, ha, ha (deep belly laugh)" he says. Wouldn't that be great if they would have put one of those in your car! - no such luck for you OR ME today."

I ordered the other VSS - the one that connects the transmission to the speedometer somehow, (no one around here had one in stock) and it came in yesterday afternoon. The mechanic tried to pop it into the slot where the original one was and it wouldn't quite go in. I bought the Intermotor brand ("perfect fit every time") for $189...but he's going to have to sand it down a little so he won't have to use a hammer in case he has to take it back out. I'll let you all know on Monday if that fixes the problem, or not.
 
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Wow good fix! So the first one (Dorman) didn't work?
 
#11 ·
That is correct. We figured it was one or the other, but did not know which one. With either one being a gamble, we went for the less expensive one first and crossed our fingers. The gamble did not pay off. The Dorman (pictured below) did not change anything at a cost of $102. The good news is - it has been replaced and will not likely cause me any problems in the future :)
 

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