This has been posted in the FB groups a few times, wish I could remember who made it so I could give them credit.

 

Did you had to buy the TRD stabilizer links and bushings? If so, the entire setup would be about $300+?

Those are the parts and part numbers I used exactly what's on the chart from the second post (except I haven't gotten my 03200FR yet). Cost should be about $225. I'm sure you can find a place with free shipping even if not shouldn't be too expensive. If I remember someone on another post said they ordered everything and it was like $20 for shipping and cost them around $250 total. But if you can find a dealership in your area that has the parts at a good price like I did, shouldn't be any shipping charge.

 

That's a great sheet. Going to do all those except the FR brace on my first oil change at 5k.miles. I did some spirited driving last couple days definitely feel a little bounce in the SE, but it's nowhere near as mushy as some people lead you to believe. It's def better than a stock Accord.

 

It’s wierd. When did the general feel of most Asian imports change? I remember my 93 accord couple feeling really flat. My 98 prelude too. The last few Asians I’ve driven seem more bouncy and leany in turns.

 

When did the general feel of most Asian imports change?

About the same time Americans in general, got the reputation of being fat, lazy, couch potatoes, that prefer the comfort of a soft deep sofa to that of a park bench. 😂🤣

 

Just makes it choppy like my TRD was.
Never will handle well. Superficial till pushed.Go drive a good car like a three series or an S series Audi and you’ll see
Trade off …..they break more

 

No these parts would not make it choppy. That choppy feeling comes from the TRD shocks.

 

So the OEM parts are from an 2018 XSE, does that mean my 2020 SE braces are even flimsier? If I put these braces on my 2020 SE will I notice a difference. thanks

 

Is it that flimsy? Remember big Caddys in the 70s? The whole car would wiggle over the.bumps. It was part of the” suspension.”

 

Are you telling me that Toyota did not install a rear sway bar? Strange?

You should never upgrade the rear sway bar if the car has one on a fwd car. If you think understeer is bad now?

On a fwd car you want to go with the stock size for rear anti-sway anything larger is for fools and idiots that do not understand how suspension works on a car.

On a fwd car especialy if you raise the limit on when the rear breaks loos via larger sway bar you make it more likely that when you reach the limit you get ZERO warning before the rear lets go and that it will produce under steer so bad that you can not hope to recover from it once the rear let's go! Which seems cool until your front end plows into a barricade or another car.

Better to upgrade to polyurethane body and suspension bushing and call Bilstein and Toiko and see if they make a mildly stiffer strut. Stay away from any variable rate spring that changes ride height it will make the car ride harsher and not much else. You want stock ride height with a nice variable rate spring that is slightly stiffer.

 

Turtle93 and 1975Toyota, read the chart again. The TRD brace and sway bar comparison is to a 2018 XSE, it says so at the bottom. These are factory parts, not an aftermarket upgrade.

And Vegashybrid said SE and XSE have the same braces and sway bar. So XSE and SE people would use the TRD stuff as an upgrade.

If Toyota put a bigger sway bar and stiffer braces on the TRD, then there must be something wrong with your logic. I think Toyota knows what they are doing.

 

Just ignore them,. 1975 was the first person I ignored here. For some reason he get extremely angry with people trying to mod their Camry, as you clearly see. It's funny because I unblocked to see what he wrote really quick and he's calling everyone idiots and morons, but doesn't know the difference between oversteer and understeer himself. 🤣 Just a point of reference when the rear comes out it's oversteer not understeer. Aftermarket bars are made by these companies with existing components in mind. I personally hate understeer and prefer oversteer. The reason most people modify and get in trouble is cuz they really can't drive in the first place and need a driver mod. No matter if it's oversteer or understeer if you can't handle the vehicle you will get your stuff in trouble at the limit. Beyond that you should set the vehicle up to however you like to drive. I've been doing modifications like this for over 20 years, And doing it properly can make the car much more enjoyable to drive. Finally, your hundred percent correct, Toyota does know what they are doing and wouldn't have spent millions of dollars manufacturing TRD parts for a vehicle that do nothing.

 

Hmmm interesting 🤔

 

After driving it more and looking under the vehicle at the geometry, and where the front under brace is on the car, I decided on all three chassis braces and the rsb, so actually six TRD parts total (four bars two bushings). The car is very planted in normal and when pushing/driving moderately harder like taking a sharp turn fast ect, but can get a little loose and bouncy when driving more aggressive, like several consecutive turn like switchbacks or a road course. It's def more solid and handles better than the Accord stock. Appointment for next Thursday.

 

With just a spring upgrade (Eibach pro kit) I’ve noticed in a turn that, if anything, I would experience oversteer in an aggressive turn. Maybe- that is based on the tires as I think you have said before but stock the drive felt more Understeer as per the spec. I’m PROBABLY going to be looking into TRD wheels with a Michelin or maybe continental extreme contact for rubber.
that being said. If I was going to upgrade “slowly” cause wife 😃, then what would be the best first move for better drivability? FSB? Braces? Rear sway? TRD package is $2100 so that will be later.
As a note, my wife is great, she is better with finances as if it were up to me I’d be in traffic jail with 20 grand in upgrades on my car impounded just outside my cell window so I can cry and point at it for context.

 

I will also say that for a lot of us in here, TRD aside- the Camry is not a race car and we know that, BUT there is economy,.. and there is “sport” design and there is a track car. I don’t think anyone is grabbing an SE or XSE and expecting a track spec out of it but it is enjoyable to dial up the speed and agility of a car that ALSO has the options for everyday durability and economical driving. Otherwise this would be “FerarriNation”

 

I'd do wheels and tires first, especially if you can sell your stock wheels to recoup some of the cost.

The TRD wheels are 1/2" wider than the XSE 19s and weigh less than the SE 18s. That means less unsprung, rotational weight, which makes it easier for your suspension and brakes to do their job.
That extra 1/2" width lets you go up to a 255/35/19 tire, almost an inch wider than stock, for better grip. Any handling upgrades you do in the future will benefit from this. And the TRD wheels are only around $200 apiece, which is a steal for OEM wheels.

 

Just ordered all 3 Frame Braces, Rear Sway Bar and 2 Bushings for $237.32 shipped to the house for free. I would like to replace the front sway bar, but I heard it is a real pain in the ass. This will be installed on a 2022 SE and will let you know how it goes.

 

I would like to replace the front sway bar, but I heard it is a real pain in the ass.

They are but make a big difference especially if you don't plan on lowering it.

 

So they forgot to order the front most under chassis brace. Right now just have the center and rear chassis braces and the TRD rsb ( which is ok because my shoulders are killing me from working on my back and could not reach the front brace with the rear on jack stands anyway). There is an immediate noticable difference when I back out of my driveway because it's on a little incline. The rear end just stays planted. I can completely tell the center and rear braces were changed, and there is still more slop from the bar directly under me. It does turn in better, but not as much as I expected. Did a couple 360s first, Turning radius is improved body roll noticably less. After flicked it into a corner and it's still reluctant to change direction somewhat. The tires slid a little first , and then the rear rotated around a little. Replacing the front brace should definitely help that. If you look at the front brace it's still a nice distance behind the front wheels. So right now the suspension is a little confused because the center is sorta stiff, but sorta not, so it's not exactly sure where to put all that energy You can tell it will rotate easier with a little more dialing in. I can also see that I may have to add an additional rear chassis brace from Ultra Racing if I want it to rotate how I like. But the front brace should be here next week. It in conjunction with the other TRD bars, should help send the energy where it supposed to go better and rotate easier. Just took it for a short drive, will update to after more seat time.

Should mention no need to unbolt the exhaust or anything like that on the hybrid and only needed to take off rear right wheel. It came out, and went in very easy. Surprisingly easy actually, probably the easiest rsb on a sedan I have ever done.

 

Car handles so much better. Steering is sharper at speed, but was hoping for it to be a little quicker at lower speeds. Hopefully the front brace will help that. Uturn takes less effort and bumps are smoother. Coming around corners hard has a lot less wiggle. Much less bounce/slop in the vehicle now. It's great if you don't try to force it, but it def did not like when I flicked it or sudden sharp movements as much. It's still a 3500lb sedan without anyone in it. Much more fun to drive, but now I want the TRD springs even more 🤣. I'm also considering the UR rear control arm brace, but that probably won't be for a while. I'll post after I get the front lower brace on.

 

Would this fit on a 2019 XSE 4 cyl RSB?

 

Yes. Afaik all the sway bars are interchangeable on all the Camry models. I believe the only problem comes with some of the under braces and the AWD models. But I'm not sure if that's the TRD bracing, or just the aftermarket stuff, or both. Never seen the understood an AWD. But all the sway bars say they fit all models even the aftermarket bars.

 

I paid close to the same, but no shipping because I did it through one of the dealerships here. Highly recommend making friends with someone at a parts department. The front under brace made all the difference. It got rid of the rest of the slop, but it also changed the comfort level some. The car is much stiffer over bumps now. Turn in is sharper too at low speeds. Didn't really drive it much long day.

Now doing this on a hybrid the front bar is the biggest pain if your doing it on jack stands because the line for the o2 sensor is connected to the brace with a small bracket(it's still a very simple install it's just a pain moving around in a creepy crawler). There are no holes for it on the TRD brace that fit with the existing length of wire. So I decided to punch a small hole in the hear shield and connect it there. I bent the small little 90deg hook straight and just used the 10mm nut behind the shield to attach it.