I know that the stock size is 215/60/16 but I just picked up a set of winter tires (Toyo Garit HT) that are 225/60/16 and wondering if there will be any issues.

I know that my speedometer reading will be 1.8% too slow so if I'm reading 60mph, I'll actually be travelling 61.1mph.

Will there be other issues (ie. rubbing) that I'm not aware of?

Otherwise, I've lined up another set of Toyo Observer G-02's that are the correct sizing (215-60-16) but the thing is that they were rated slightly worse than the Garit's.

Garit review: http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=Toyo&tiremodel=Garit+HT
Observe review: http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=Toyo&tiremodel=Observe+G-02+plus

Now, looking at numbers, they are fairly similar, but reading through the comments, there were much worse comments for the Observe.

With that in mind, I'm wondering if it would be okay to just stick with the Garit's which are slightly off size.

225/60/16 tires will be no problem/have no issues.

 

Other than slightly reduced gas mileage, which occurs with a fatter tire, they should be ok.

 

H vs V rated Michelin Primacy MVX4

Can anyone give me their opinion on the H vs V rated Michelin Primacy MVX4. Is there any noticable difference in ride, handling, etc. The H are speed rated for 130mph & the V is rated at 149mph. Which would you go with & why? Thanks

 

Can anyone give me their opinion on the H vs V rated Michelin Primacy MVX4. Is there any noticable difference in ride, handling, etc. The H are speed rated for 130mph & the V is rated at 149mph. Which would you go with & why? Thanks

130mph is probably faster than I would drive a Camry Hybrid, so the "H" rated tire would be my choice.
However, the brakes, tires, and suspension of a Camry can be upgraded to offer increased safety at higher speeds.

 

Go to tirerack.com and compare..

Michelin Primacy MXV4 H rated - are cheaper, higher user rated, quieter, longer lasting and considerably less expensive....

 

I have the Michelin Primacy MXV4s with an 'H' rating on my Camry Hybrid and they are great. I have had them on for about a year and a half and I have had no problems. They have a great ride, great traction, and they provide similar fuel economy to the OEM tires. I really recommend these tires.

 

H rated

I have the H rated michelins and they work great...They only last about 32000 miles on florida roads and heat. But Michelin gives you credit for not making the 65000 they are supposed to last. On my 2nd set

 

I went from a H Primacy to a V comfortred touring(goodyear) and the handling was crisper with no other penalties. If the car is rated for V buy V period. I have gone below the apeed rating on my Honda and took the tires back luckily to trade up.

 

Taller tires

Can anyone tell me if I can fit 225/75-16s on my 2007 camry? I did the math and the old tire had a radius of 13" and this tire would have a radius of 14.5". Will the 1.5" difference cause a rub? I don't care what happens to the speedo.

 

What about 225/55/18? Anyone knows if this size will cause problems? It's a tad bigger than the 225/50/18. That's the size I normally have on.

 

I have 235/35/20's in the front and don't have any issues...

Once you get into the 245 range... then yes...
My rears have 245 and they rub during hard bounces or extra weight in rear.

 

if someone doesn't mind, what are all the sizes that would be compatible? I have an XLE so stock is 17 inches, I'm looking at 16 inches for winter tires...

Thanks!

 

OEM Michelin Primacy MXV4 93V Tire Update

Did my second tire rotation today at 18,000 km, with a careful measurement of the remaining tread, which started out new at 9.5/32". I was surprised at how much wear there was, and that it was not even across the tread. Here are the average measurements in 32's" for the 4 tread grooves, from outside to inside"

7.6 - 7.3 - 7.3 - 8.1

The minimum tread depth I measured was 7/32".

At 8,000 km the average was about 9/32". At the rate they are wearing they will only make 40,000 km when they reach 4/32". I see the Michelin warranty is supposed to be 100,000 km. It appears there is no way they will get close to that even if you went down to 2/32" as the warranty requires.

Any thoughts on how to go about getting a tread life warranty on these tires? In the past I have found tread life warranties are almost impossible to collect on.

The other issue here is that I have been running the Toyota recommended maximum pressure of 38 psi. However, it appears the center of the tire is wearing more than the outside, and there may be a downside to running the higher pressure. I adjusted the pressure back down to the standard pressure recommended by Toyota of 35. Will see in future rotations if that makes any difference.

 

In my case (2007 TCH) they lasted only about 45K miles (original) and the 2nd set has about 36K miles. Will make only 40K miles this time. Tires are rotated every 5K miles and balanced and aligned often. This is one thing I don't like about Michelin tires. We still have a corolla and Hankook cheapo last 85K miles everytime (supposed to last for 80K).

 

In the Camry 17" wheel size the H version has 11/32" for starting tread depth. The V version has 9.5/32". Interestingly Michelin provides a 100,000 km tread wear warranty for both versions regardless of starting tread depth. Consumer Reports however gives an excellent for tread wear to the 11/32" version and a very good for the 9.5/32" one.

In miles these ones I have look to be heading for a 25,000 mile life. The Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S on my Mazda 3 looking like they are going to make 43,000 miles. Consumer Reports only rates them as good.

Something seems fishy about how long these Primacy tires are lasting... Perhaps I blew it by running them at 38 psi. The Pilot Exaltos are run at 32 psi.

 

I had 3-4 different michelins (running Primacy MXV4 97H-rated right now) and all of these sets lasted 50-55% of what they should've. in US 97H rated Primacy rated at 60K miles, not expecting more than 35K out of it.
bought just because they were on sale and $70 rebate came on top of it.
running 39 front 37 rear- 12K on these tire s and they wear perfectly even.

 

My tires were rotated at 8,000 km and now at 18,000 km. I was a little late on the second rotation. Both times I used the pattern C shown below. This forward cross pattern equalizes time front and back as well as side to side. It takes 4 rotations before they are back to where they start. In theory at least that provides for maximum tire life, but it can only be done with tires that are not directional. With directional tires you are stuck with just rotating them front to back on the same side.

At the rate these ones are wearing, I'm not sure they are going to make more than one complete rotation.

 

My owner's manual shows direct rotation from front to rear, staying on same side of car, so they think my tires are directional.
Mine are Michelin X Green Energy Saver A/S P205X65R16, on a 2012 Camry Hybrid LS.

I remember my 08 Corolla had this same tire rotation in owners manual.
If these tires are directional, could the cross rotation make premature wear?
I don't know, I'm asking.

 

Are the tires the same height? If so, it shouldn't make any difference in regards to your gas mileage. I have a 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid that had the factory alloy wheels with 215/60/16 tires. I bought aftermarket 17 inch rims and put 215/55/17 tires on them (exact same size as the Camry SE) and there was no difference in fuel economy and the speedometer still reads correctly because the tire height is the same. Hope this helps.

- Mario

 

No, I mean using P205/65R16 alloy wheels instead of the P215/55R17 of XLE.

 

As long as the height of the actual tire is the same, it shouldn't matter. The size of the wheel/rim has nothing to do with the overall tire height. Take one of each tire and put them side-by-side to compare. I have posted a link below to try to explain it a little better.

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoPlusSizing.dos

 

I've thought about this too, I wish someone would get a set of LE tires/wheels and install them on XLE TCH of same '12/13 year. and report the results over like 5-10 tanks. I'd be interested- would even use my '13 XLE, if someone has a set of LE 16" not in use.
if 2mpg can be gained (on average) by going to 16" low resistance tires (and comparable 16" wheels)- that's 5% increase. This may also be useful info for someone looking to do a non-factory wheel replacement options.

 

I don't think it would be safe to swap 17" tires for the XLE to 16" wheels and tires. Cars today near all include overdrive where the engine spins slower reducing friction and helping the miles per gallon. If you installed the shorter 16" wheels and tires on a car that's designed for 17" ones, the mpg would drop significantly.

A exaggeration of that would be a car driving along in 3rd gear, then for some reason it had to drive in 2nd gear all the time. The engine spins much faster increasing the engine friction and using more gas.

 

Guess I was wrong. I had no idea the aspect ratio made so much difference in height. I see the oem Energy Saver tires that come with the LE are 3 pounds lighter each than a XLE with the MXV4 Primacy tires.

It amazed me how close the sizes of the mxv4 on the XLE are compared the LE with the Energy Saver a/s tires.

check this out

XLE tires

215/55/17 mxv4 primacy

23 pounds, 7.2" wide, 26.3 high, 791 revs per mile

LE tires

215/60/16 mxv4 primacy

24 pounds, width 7.1, 26.1 high, 797 revs

215/60/16 energy saver a/s - OEM tires on the LE

21 lbs. width n/a, 26.1 high, 796 revs

 

LE tires

215/60/16 mxv4 primacy

24 pounds, width 7.1, 26.1 high, 797 revs

215/60/16 energy saver a/s - OEM tires on the LE

21 lbs. width n/a, 26.1 high, 796 revs

Makes you wonder what they leave out of the Energy Saver tire to save 3 lbs. 3 lbs of tread rubber that you do not get to wear out on the Energy Saver?

 

I agree. Mostly an issue of rolling resistance due to the wider tire tread and softer compound on the 17". Also some extra rotational inertia and vehicle weight, both of which affect city mpg the most.

 

Is it a sound plan during the winter months to place 16 in Michelin Ice X-I3 tires with 16 in steel wheels on a 2013 Camry Hydrid XLE. The car currently has 17 in aluminium alloy wheels. I can not find any 17 in wheels to fit the car in steel, just 16 in.

I am hesitant to use the aluminium alloy wheels in the winter with 17 inch snow tires because of the fact that aluminium reacts with road salt. Also I believe the 16 inch tire is wider and should give me increased traction, although minimal - but every counts going up the mountain where I live.

Also anybody have any experience mounting spyderspikes which are instant on instant off chains on the 2012 or 2013 Camry Hybrid.

 

Not trying to step on any toes here, but.................

Are people really so caught up in the numbers game that they'd seriously consider purchasing 4 wheels and 4 tires just to get an extra "rated" mile or two per gallon out of their vehicle? I would imagine that such an endeavor would be financially unrewarding until many years down the road. If someone cares to do the math, by all means do so. I'd be content just trying to improve driving technique or chalk up the expense difference to sheer driving enjoyment.

elliot

 

Elliot,

I hope you were not responding to my post "Is it a Sound Plan" I am simply trying to put snow tires on all four wheels. If I cared about MPG I also would not have asked about SpyderSpikes (instant on - instant off chains). I need serious traction in the winter on my 2013 Camry Hybrid XLE and 4 - Michelin ICE X-I3 should provide that.

 

It's just interesting to KNOW. Cuz Knowlege is power! (#GI Joe)

TCH are really neat cars and most of us are having fun learning about them, that's why we ask questions on this forum.

Everyone has their own theory and it's fun to share and discuss. I wanted to know more.

For instance Hepstein01 wants to get 16" for spyderspikes and he's a XLE.

I might want to get aftermarket rims on my XLE in 16" superlight or possibly 16" steel with aero-moon covers! (TCH doesn't really use disc brakes-right!? j/k)

and 16" Steel wheels from toyota shouldn't be hard to find. I think they made quite a few of them...
I'll need tires every 2 years. haha