a stretched scion iM? those look like the same rims too.

 

Sub compact CUVs are compact cars raised up higher. Really only difference, maybe even less cargo and passenger room. I wouldn't be surprised.

...these 3 letters killed any interest in me to that mini Rav.

Yeah, CVTs are becoming more and more. This is Toyota after all...don't expect 6 speed manual. Granted the market doesn't command such a thing unless its niche.

If its under the Prius name I don't know if it will sell well. Hybrids in general dont' sell well even bigger car hybrids. Of course even if its just a hybrid mileage will be compromised cause its a bigger car and these days even from "bigger" cars mileage is getting better. Granted hybrid would eek out more but you pay a premium so it evens out or cost more for a hybrid. That's the problem with hybrids or alternative motive cars.

Even though Scion is a dud it could use a car that will actually sell cause its a hot market, granted the Scion name is not the knees bees and they won't get volume that they might like against the competition. If it is a Scion as usual Scion might cannibalize sales of the iM. Yes I know a different market but like I said, compact CUVs are similar size as the iM just raised up higher.

I wonder if it will be built off the Mazda CX-3 platform if Mazda and Toyota agreed to go that far. As long as it doesn't look like the CX-3 granted I don't think Mazda would let that happen. Ironically it will compete with the CX-3. If you look at the shapes of the car under the cameo you can tell it has distinctive Toyota design language. So if its a Scion as usual looks like other TOyotas on the floor but different badge...like GEO!

 

... mated to a CVT.

...these 3 letters killed any interest in me to that mini Rav.

 

CVTs are here to stay for the time being.

 

probably uses a corolla drivetrain...

 

CVTs are here to stay for the time being.

Yeah, CVTs are becoming more and more. This is Toyota after all...don't expect 6 speed manual. Granted the market doesn't command such a thing unless its niche.

CVT is here to stay, thanks to CAFE

Also, Goodbye non luxury V6.

I think CAFE's pressure is a secondary reason here and the first one and the major one is CVT's lower production cost. I have never seen exact CVT vs 6AT cost comparison, but if the CVT is only a few $100's cheaper (and potentially much more than that), considering that Toyota sells 300000 Corollas and 400000 Camrys, that makes extra $60000000 and $80000000 a year for Yoda. Combined that 140000000 reasons to justify the switch to the CVT and prove that CVT is better, more economical, smoother and etc...

 

Toyota Puke! Or a product Toyota would rather put under the Scion banner.

 

I like rowing my own gears, hop there is a manual option.

 

Will be sold here as a scion I'm sure.

 

Scion eh?

It'll come in both 1.2 litre turbo (8NR-FTS) and 1.8 litre HSD (2ZR-FXE) versions

http://sport-car.akakagemaru.info/new-car/post-9024/


Toyota already has a Prius "Outback" in Japan. (Aqua X Urban)

 

In disguise, it's contours remind me of a joke:

If a Toyota Sequoia and a Honda civic could have an offspring, this is what it would look like - Small snout and Boxy Rear end.

 

I wish my winter/daily had a CVT! I'd love to be running 1800rpm at highway speeds instead of 2800rpm.

 

Couple a CVT with an engine that has variable valve timing and variable valve lift and you can honestly have the best of both for power and economy. Economy mode at low throttle positions would be low rpm cruising with low valve lift and the correct timing and overlap for the lowest pumping losses and highest efficiency. Stomp on the gas pedal and the engine winds up to a higher RPM, and hits peak torque and stays there with high valve lift and the right timing and overlap for the most power. You can build engines that don't need to have wide power bands or rev really high to make a fast car. You can build a turbo charged car that has almost no lag and never falls out of boost because it doesn't change gears!

 

And it used to be anything sporty or sports ALWAYS had a manual. Now look...

CVT's will get there, remember the Hondamatic? That's where we're at with the CVT metaphorically.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to a planetary box with 5-6 strong forward gears and CVT overdrive that's got limited engine torque tied to it's use.

The problem with making 8 speed automatic (or even manual) gear boxes is size, simply size. Each time you add a gear you must shrink. Shrinking can lead to durability problems. Look at the C60 in the Celica and Lotus, synchro problems all the time! They can't stand up to more than about 300WHP without breaking gear teeth either. The 4spd auto while having shit for gear ratio's is reliable to 400+WHP with additional cooling and a better torque converter being the only changes. Having lots of clutch area and lots of tooth contact area makes a strong trans, shrink things continually and there will be durability trade offs. Higher line pressures to engage clutches with smaller areas and less friction/steels in the packs or smaller bands and drums. Less contact area means more heat concentrated in one area and takes higher line pressures to get good grabs without slipping, higher line pressures need more pump power and need stronger seals. Sometimes simple is better for longevity. CVT's are generally very simple.

 

I have hopes that, should our beloved and rugged 2007 Matrix ever bite the dust, that this new CUV, CVT notwithstanding, will be a new Matrix for this decade. We have had scarcely a hiccough with our Matrix, get great mileage and even can enjoy driving it. I had thought that the new Honda Cute Ute would work for us but it has been excoriated by the reviewers to such an extent that at the moment only the Mazda shows any promise of coming close to our Matrix.

 

iThink the iM is a more direct replacement of the Matrix than this baby ute.

 

Perhaps but does it come with AWD?

 

If they want to compete with Honda HR-V, it better come with it.

 

It looks as though the Mazda gets the nod from C&D; I have hopes for Toyota's AWD version. If not, as my wife said, Mazda looks best for us.

 

thats bs what the HECk might as well call it a matrix yeah haha badge it a scion ripp the toy sci logo and put slanted H on it lmao

 

the Scion iM is pretty much a successor to the Matrix. This one is a hopped up one, just higher up. But yeah, they are hopped up small hatchbacks but that's what people want.

 

what i dont get is all these cars getting smaller and the mpg arnt changing much at all what gives ... i think its total bs tiny arse cars with the same mpg as nicer older bigger cars granted they dont have the same hp ratings but wtf gives when i see tiny car i think ok cool better mpg but noooo every single car has nearly the same mpgs wasnt toyota in trouble for falsifying mpgs before too

 

you must be referring to the iQ. And yes, it doesn't make sense. That size of a car should have the best mpg, but it's only rated in mid-30's.

 

the fortwo is even worse with one less cylinder

 

And unfortunately it is still on the market...if only Toyota gave the iQ a manual transmission...

 

The Toyota C-HR is Exactly What Scion Needs To Succeed

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/09/toyota-c-hr-exactly-scion-needs-succeed/

Toyota’s compact crossover C-HR will be making another auto show appearance before its production version is unveiled next year at the Geneva Auto Show, and its quite possible that the model could make or break Scion’s future in the U.S.

Toyota hasn’t released many details about the C-HR, other than to say that it’ll be built on the same, global TGNA structure that the next-generation Prius is built on and would have a similar hybrid powertrain.

The small crossover would fit entirely within Scion’s wheelhouse of younger buyers who apparently can’t get enough of crossovers, and would help make relevant a brand that is, um, struggling with sales.

In addition to the updated images, Toyota says it has brought the C-HR closer forward to production by adding two more doors and changing the roof color from two-tone to glossy black. That gigantic belt-line detail on the rear doors and impossibly sharp rear tail lights probably shouldn’t won’t make it to production.

(It’s possible that the model could be shared between Toyota and Mazda under their growing partnership.)

This year, Scion will release a reskinned Mazda2 sedan in the States as the Scion iA and a rebadged Corolla hatchback as the Scion iM to replace outgoing or slumping models that have fallen flat at dealerships. Both new models may be sold at dealers under a new “Pure Price” format that would allow buyers to all-but purchase their cars online and accept delivery at a dealership, which could put the automaker one-step closer to again connecting with younger buyers who view cars — and car buying — substantially different from their parents. Another step: a small crossover that sell like crazy right now.

Scion sales have slumped since its zenith seven years ago. The brand ranks 30th among automakers in sales so far this year.

Pretty sure that camo'd car is the C-HR, and will be the Scion iR as they patented...sucks that the Toyota Aygo won't be coming...still room for that since it is still funky enough to fit the brand.

 

It will look nothing like that (okay I'm captain obvious I know). Maybe settle cues.