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What Year Cutoff to Avoid Telematics Tracking and Unnecessary Complex Features?

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#1 ·
I have a 20 year old Corolla and I am planning to keep it running as long as possible. I can afford a new car without going into debt but dont like the prospects of modern cars.

I dont want a car that tracks everything I am doing at all times.

I don't want a car with a touch screen to control HVAC.

I don't mind a touch screen for the music, but when I rent a car on a trip, I am infuriated by the 10 seconds of warning messages each time I start the car that won't let me adjust anything, and won't let me pair my phone when the vehicle is moving. Any kind of feature that lawyers put in, I dont want.

I am opposed ideologically to a lot of the features in new cars like how they stop the engine when you're at a red light and then re-start the engine in order to save 0.2 MPG fuel, which is strictly due to government mandate, and all of the technology required to do that likely adds 10x the maintenance/repair costs than any gas is saved. TPMS in my friends cars drives them crazy, I've managed to not have a blowout in 30 years of driving without this by maintaining my tires.

I don't want a backup camera. I have side mirrors with the convex spot mirrors and have driven 500k+ miles in my life without backing over any toddlers.

I like being able to fix my car with a $5k scan tool and $2k annual subscription.

I don't want any features that are added by lawyers or to meet government mandates or designed by MBAs to reduce the sales price by $1k due to cheaper production while increasing the future maintenance costs by $5k as a trade off for the $1k up front savings.

I don't want to go live in a cabin in the woods, but there has to be some middle ground. What can you guys recommend as to where the optimal point is where you just get a used car no later than that year and then you keep it running forever? Or maybe a newer car that you strip out some telematics modules and some other stuff? Hope I don't sound too crazy or curmudgeonly.
 
#2 ·
Good luck finding a new or newer vehicle w/o any computer interface. 2004 is your Corolla, the last car I owned that didn’t have a computer was a Chevy Camaro, a ‘78 Z/28, had a 4 barrel carburetor, 3spd automatic trans and I had it modded to run on regular pump gas, zero emissions devices, and it ran great, gave me a clean emissions report so I could have my cake and eat it too. After the’ 74 Zee was cancelled due to restrictions on noise, onerous insurance regs and detuned to run on unleaded gas w/catalytic converters GM just stopped it all together. What was the point, performance was dead with stifling regulations.
So then came fuel injected vehicles to meter and control precisely the correct fuel air mix ratios. Computers could do this easily, along with other sensor controlled devices, all in the name of clean air.
CARB and California laws really put the screws down on emissions and fuel economy standards so the OEM’s had to comply- Gov’t. required CAFE mandates, Federal Law was the new sheriff in town and so it went. The Asian OEM’s figured out how to make cars cheap and perform while setting mpg numbers Detroit was unable to do.

So back to getting a car that is free of government control, it would be best for you to find a pre emissions type car that doesn’t require high technology to run. A very simple system based on the early years. Build your own car, kit cars exist, shop for a collectors/vintage era that is well kept.
Modern cars are now totally controlled and mandated to meet the latest crash safety tests, air bags everywhere inside so having a simple car is not as easy to get today. Driving with historical license plates, anything over 20 years old I believe qualifies.
So research the make and models b4 the change over occurred to computer controlled cars.

Again, good luck. Sometimes I think about those early days of simpler cars w/o all the controlling sensor systems, but now it’s not only cars, but all electronics devices that you own, cell phones, TV’s cable boxes PC systems even with a VPN won’t totally keep you anonymous. Who do you think created VPN’s ? Also the myriad apps, some pre loaded that are tracking everything and everyone. Cameras on the roads, bridges- like for Easy Pass, you can’t go anywhere and not be seen or recorded, so your whereabouts are not secret. Satellites can track everyone and going off grid isn’t going to save you from prying eyes.
We live in a prison planet, we have the illusion of freedom, so I would stop getting upset about telematics and learn to live with them. We could be in a worse situation, like other countries are currently.
 
#3 ·
You probably want something pre~2013, but it's going to differ model by model. Pre 2000 you are almost completely in the clear. The more work you are willing to put in the newer you can go.

  • Switch to an aftermarket HU for media - mine will let me browse through the settings while playing a DVD and going 50mph in reverse if really I wanted to
  • 2007 was TPMS, but on a simpler car of this era you can just pull the bulb. Or, trick the TPMS computer by moving a wire if it's integrated in to some sort of multi function display
 
#4 ·
There are positive sides to technology, too. Two examples I am personally familiar with.
1) A friend of mine was hit by a reckless driver who was speeding. There were no witnesses and not track marks. The driver at fault claimed that it wasn't his fault and it was basically his word vs. her word. Until they downloaded data from the "crash data recorder" that every car comes with, and it showed that the guy was going 72 mph in a 35 mph zone. He was declared "at fault", has to cover damages and medical costs, which are way higher than what he was insured for. Now he is on the hook for medical expenses for the next 20 years. Without the "crash data recorded" he would have gotten away.
2) Another friend had his car carjacked. He was able to disable the car with his phone before the carjackers drove it for two blocks.
Technology is good as long as you stay on the right side of the law.
 
#9 ·
A simple vehicle like this would sell like hotcakes here in the U.S., but will probably never happen due to regulations. I would purchase it for sure if it did happen.

Roots: Hilux name, price point $13K~, rear wheel drive, spartan utilitarian inside and out; yeah this would be a sellout in nothing flat !
Made me smile about plastic interior with no infotainment, roll up hand crank windows. They should allow for an old school am/fm radio/cassette or CD player, w/2spkrs; likely under dash would work.