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Why do so called car reviewers hate Camry so much?

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To retread that has no doubt been discussed, it's because:

1 - The Camry is boring. Most car reviewers want everything to be sporty and can't wrap their heads around vehicles that aren't. What they fail to realize is the average consumer doesn't care how fast it goes, they want something with adequate power and is safe to drive. If you want a sports car, get one. Even a sports sedan like the Mazda6 is little more than a typical sedan when taken on a race track as evidenced by Motor Trend's recent long term updates. A family sedan should haul people in comfort and the Camry does a fine job of that, but it's not a lot to write about. And most of them fail to realize the SE exists for those wanting something sportier. It also is a bit of pandering to their readership; why do you think the 3-series, which has been on a steady decline in quality and driving feel ever since the E90 came out but continues to win match ups.

2 - It's not hip. Toyota never had the following Honda did. Let's face it, Honda has an obnoxiously loud fan base, many of which have an Apple-esque mentality of "it has the badge on it so it's better". It's something that permeates even to casual car buyers who happened to buy a Honda. Toyota never had that cult like following; their following was built around the cars being bullet proof. For instance, a review I read called the 7th gen interior "80s esque" and bragged the Accords was modern. The "modern" Accord has 40+ buttons, a clunky layout, and awkward LCD positions, while my 7th gen Camry has smooth, modern lines the boxy and simple interior that my 2nd gen could only dream of.

3 - It's something to write about. Let's face it. If you just rave about America's top selling car, it's not interesting. Ripping into it, and complaining about a product bought by people who don't even read the magazine is easy and gets people talking. Even Motor Trend admitted you can't argue with mammoth success. People are buying it; it's not like the old Taurus, Malibu, or Cobalt that were sporting fleet sales of 50% or more. The Camry does a lot of fleet sales, but no more than any other company save Honda. If it was such an awful product, people would not buy it, period.
 
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To retread that has no doubt been discussed, it's because:

1 - The Camry is boring.
in your opinion it's boring, in mine-fan to drive; plenty of power, well built, comfortable, roomy and all for 20-25K.:)

2 - It's not hip. Toyota never had the following Honda did. Let's face it, Honda has an obnoxiously loud fan base, many of which have an Apple-esque mentality of "it has the badge on it so it's better".
+1 BUT: 75% of the Honda's "followers" are annoying, loud and immature kids that drive xx-teen old hondas and dream about twin turbocharged V-6 civics.
For each dropped camry with aftermarket wheels and spoiler I see 10+ civics and accords with "racing spoilers", weird wheels, stripes, 10K HID's etc ... in some neighborhoods and schools "raced up" honda is a status symbol :)
Toyota always was (and still is) making much more mature and adult oriented cars, so no one should expect the same kind of "followers" behind Toyota's product.

3 - It's something to write about. Let's face it. If you just rave about America's top selling car, it's not interesting. Ripping into it, and complaining about a product bought by people who don't even read the magazine is easy and gets people talking. Even Motor Trend admitted you can't argue with mammoth success. People are buying it; it's not like the old Taurus, Malibu, or Cobalt that were sporting fleet sales of 50% or more. The Camry does a lot of fleet sales, but no more than any other company save Honda. If it was such an awful product, people would not buy it, period.
+1000
 
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Most haters have never sat in the driver's seat and driven a Camry...(let alone one with a stick)...and those who do (like rentals) are driving "off-showroom" setups that can be altered to make the car a much better ride...better tires for instance...
...most are just armchair reviewers...
 
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The Camry is meant to be a a no nonsense family hauler. It is a solidly reliable vehicle, with low fuel costs, decently equipped, easy to get in and out of while maintaining a low cost of ownership. Basically the things that Consumer Reports and other refrigerator review magazines find ideal in a car.

Magazine reviews by Car and Driver or Road and Track are meant for enthusiasts. Enthusiasts place cutting edge styling and spirited performance along with track worthy handling above everything else. The Camry excels at none of these traits, thus the hate. But then again, folks who look for enthusiast cars will buy muscle cars not family haulers.
 
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The reviewer drove the Camry for half a day as a rental and thinks it knows enough to write "everything" about it? The Eco light can be turn off and many new cars today are equipped with low-rolling resistance tires (OEM Michelin Energy A/S on Ford Mustang) The reviewer also criticized how that Camry have grown in size when in fact its the same length since 2002. (The Accord is bigger but no one complained) I think he just needed to post something to get some rating.

Here's a sensible reviewer's take on the 14' Corolla (which most others would rip about it)
http://jalopnik.com/why-the-2014-toyota-corolla-is-perfect-1211949209/all
"Just because a car isn't an enthusiast car doesn't mean it's a bad car."
 
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The Accord is bigger but no one complained) I think he just needed to post something to get some rating.
there's more, new accord drives like big heavy boat and CVT kills any hint of sport, but all "honda boys" still talking about sporty handling and all "professional" reviewers talking about fan to drive...
 
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Is there anyone here with a Gawker account? Basically, anyone now can be "contributor" to Jalopnik or any of their websites.
 
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What I find interesting about the "review" by this woman (not a man, from what I can tell ... 5'4" and named "Stef") is how - on at least one point - it is factually wrong. She goes on at length about how the tuning knob for the radio is blocked by the wheel ... wrong darling, that's the volume knob ... and so she couldn't easily tune radio stations. She's also annoyed by a screen that's too big (really digging for complaints, aren't we)?!?! Ironically, I use virtually nothing but the steering wheel controls on my SE to cycle through stations and adjust volume, so the knobs are largely extraneous for me.

Another interesting and all too typical thing is that she reviewed an LE, perhaps the most boring, vanilla version of a Camry one can rent (complete with its hideously ugly plastic hub caps - sorry if I offend LE drivers, but it is ugly and bland). And, also par for the course, she talked about the vague steering (as if the Camry is the only car so afflicted with electronic steering) and the "floaty" ride.

I don't know about the steering, since I drive an SE and it has plenty of heft (relatively speaking), but I do know about the ride from many taxi rides where I live (the preferred taxi of choice is the Camry LE Hybrid). And, the ride is anything but floaty. In fact, I wish this generation of Camry had more of the "float" of previous generations - at least as a taxi passenger. I see little difference between the LE's and SE's rides in the 7th generation; both are pretty firm as far as I'm concerned.

Camry drivers should simply get used to the idea that people hate the car irrationally. I used to be one of those dismissive people myself (though I think I had legitimate reasons to dislike ... like the floaty ride of old, the crummy build quality of the Generation 4 and 6 cars, etc.) But, then I drove a 2012 SE opposite its competition and it clearly won ... that's why I own an SE.

I've long since gotten over any anti-Camry bias I used to have, particularly in a world where companies like BMW no longer sell cars with manual transmissions. AFAIK, the idea of exciting and an automatic or CVT transmission is mutually exclusive. And, there's nothing any more invigorating about driving a BMW with an 8-speed automatic than a Camry with a 6-speed automatic. Numbing the driving senses is numbing the driving senses, no matter how much status-conscious people may fool themselves with the badges on their cars.

And finally, do you really think that anyone who drives a Mitsubishi should be critiquing any other car about anything?
 
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^ most haters have never even driven a camry, they hate just because...
I have a "always heavily painted, middle aged, I have a new boyfriend every 2 weeks" neighbor that drives "nobody knows how old" BMW 320 something (the last digit is missing) and she pretty much has stopped talking to me after I had traded my 325 for a camry. She has made a few comments about "how boring and cheap camrys are" and that she never would get inside of one under any circumstances.
:)
 
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Well said Rox...
I should like to add....

Many (if not most) other "driver's" cars have more mods available for improving the car's performance than the Camry has.

...owners can do little to seriously mod the car's engine output, and the SE's suspension is about as stiff as a daily driver ought to be (as has been said often)...LE owners have more options simply because it's IS a vanilla ride for cruising to and from the mall for a lot of people who don't drive more than 15k miles a year...simply upsizing wheels improves the LE a LOT...getting performance tires even MORE...no "floating" here! When I got into my LE my first thought was, "So this is a Buick!"....a year later my neighbor got a Buick to rent while his Corolla was getting fixed and boy, all he could say was how the BUICK floated...he brought it back and got an Camry LE and was MUCH happier with how he could now feel the ride!...that's funny...

The "grounded to the ground" TV ad tried (laughably, IMO) to counter that, but just opened Toyo up to even more derision...

...and what can you say to those who feel that it ain't a driver's car if you can't manually row through the gears? You can point to a lot of performance marquees that no longer have manual trannies....though more funny is that Buick now has a manual tranny!

So Camry owners are left with modding looks...and THAT is such a personal preference that those who see others' glam as silly grilled bling may themselves be seen as riding riced-out econoboxes....
 
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Does anyone think that the resentment against the Camry is because driving a foreign brand is a sin? Some of the hate that you see online against the Camry are for reasons that go beyond the car itself.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2132514
 
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Maybe it's antipathy for anal Japanese makers' production policies and practices....not to mention WW II....

Still, having posted on that thread, I can say that the issue may be that many Camry owners are older and not as alert to their surroundings as younger drivers...especially in well-built quiet cars that isolate the interior from the road environment...but, again as I wrote there, many of those younger drivers drive as if they don't CARE about others on the road.
 
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Has nothing to do with racist, it's about what you see on the roads and give a results of your findings. Here in California you're not allow to tint the front windows so very easy to do, just look to your left and right while stopped at the lights. Also check their age, I don't see too many 20s driving Camrys.
 
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Toyota recall with zero killed......what happen to the unintentional acceleration law suit? Did they find out the REAL reason?
An official NHTSA and NASA!!! investigation that continued for 10 month??? found no issues with pedal units, ECU's and other stuff. As far as I know, all cases and settlements were stopped based on the results of the investigation, but they still managed to forced Toyota to pay $1.2 Billion fine, so they stop criminal investigation against Toyota Corp.
Isn't that great? They found no issues, but Yoda got fined anyway...
 
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When I get attached to my purchase, and all the auto journalist are bashing it, I tend to get defensive and say stuff like, 'it's meant for the street, with right performance add on it can beat anything out there, i'm able outgun any of the competition off the lights..blah blah blah.. i've been there and done that.

In this case, the reason why Camry is getting bad reviews is pressure on journalist to keep foreign top seller off the radar, Toyota Camry is one of the first model to be refreshed and other manufactures had time to dial-up amenities for their model release, and the new wave of auto journalist seem unreliable. (it's hard to find a auto publisher these days that seem competent ... currently, i like the TFL guys cause they're honest enough to laugh at themselves)

If Toyota doesn't fumble the ball with 2015 Camry release because of all the negative pressure, i'm sure they'll continue to stay ahead.
 
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If Toyota doesn't fumble the ball with 2015 Camry release because of all the negative pressure, i'm sure they'll continue to stay ahead.
I doubt they'll will "turnover the ball". Toyota USA is calling more of the shots now more than Japan. They're in a good position that they know that they can take a risk with styling now and most likely than not, gain more buyers than they lose. The Camry still offers the same much of the same stuff that it is known for.
 
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It's early...there's plenty of dirt that should be coming out on GM. Though yeah, $28K is barely a drop in the bucket compared to 1 billion. But you have to remember, the government is likely to be more sympathetic to the "home team". I'm not surprised, because none of those politicians grilling GM are anything to write home about.
 
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sorry if this topic is too old.

I'm new to the forum so I'm glad you resurrected it since it's still relevant. I get the same kind of bashing from people who know me since I've owned a number of sports and sporty cars in the past. They think I'm crazy for buying a Camry and I think that's largely due to the biased reviews they read.


I recently bought a 2016 XSE V6 and I find it practical with enough fun thrown in so that its far from boring. The V6 engine is great, the console and paddle shifters allow you to control the RPMs and it corners fairly flat with quick steering. Sure it would handle better if it had less weight over the front wheels and stickier tires but I think its a nice all-around package for someone who isn't into track days or autocrossing but still likes to have a little bit of fun on the road.


I looked at the new rear drive sedans on the market from BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti and many of their models are going to 4 cylinder turbos except in offerings that are in the high end price range. I opted for the Camry since I much prefer a V6 over a turbo 4 and was willing to compromise somewhat on the handling rather spend tens of thousands of dollars more on one of those luxury brand high-end V6 models.

Here's a video review from someone who appreciates the Camry V6. He's reviewing an XLE but does mention the handling improvements on the SE and XSE models There's a good clip of the exhaust sound at 13:47 into the video and he starts the driving sequence right after that. I laughed at his comment about stop light drags with BRZs and Civic SIs.