Ok, this thread strayed off course long enough, and has begun running circles. Thanks to all for their input, but it's time to close er down.

Bob

 

A neccessity for a functional society, yes, but not a hero.

Aye, thats the right of it. Some has ot do it and thank god there are ppl who do do it, but just bc they do it, they arent automatically heroes.

Jem

 

WOW a big response to the lazy fire fighter post that I put up :lol: I new it was coming and as I said I new I would not be able to change any of your minds :disappoin but I only speak the truth I would like to say one thing to 02WhiteLE if it wasn’t for these what you like to say "no education" men and women :hammer: your garbage would not get picked up :disappoin or the grass would not be cut in your local play areas :disappoin your roads would not be kept up so on and so forth :thumbup: as I said these people are the real heroes fire-fighter just arrive on the scene and put out fires blah blah blah :lol: one more thing Echo Holik this is the first time you and I have disagreed on something :thumbdown I thought you would be on my side but I guess not hopefully this will not happen again :naughty: anyways bye for now

You're right, stuts. Then again, all the garbage man does is come and throw my trash bags in the back of a truck, right? That hardly makes a hero in my book. A neccessity for a functional society, yes, but not a hero.

 

one more thing Echo Holik this is the first time you and I have disagreed on something :thumbdown I thought you would be on my side but I guess not hopefully this will not happen again :naughty: anyways bye for now

haha you're funny man, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything. But lemme just say that I'll give kudos to firefighters than police officers anyday.

I'm not taking sides though, and you know we're cool

Later

 

WOW a big response to the lazy fire fighter post that I put up :lol: I new it was coming and as I said I new I would not be able to change any of your minds :disappoin but I only speak the truth I would like to say one thing to 02WhiteLE if it wasn’t for these what you like to say "no education" men and women :hammer: your garbage would not get picked up :disappoin or the grass would not be cut in your local play areas :disappoin your roads would not be kept up so on and so forth :thumbup: as I said these people are the real heroes fire-fighter just arrive on the scene and put out fires blah blah blah :lol: one more thing Echo Holik this is the first time you and I have disagreed on something :thumbdown I thought you would be on my side but I guess not hopefully this will not happen again :naughty: anyways bye for now

 

Finally, somebody spoke up. Those smilies are effective as an eye irritant afterall.

I have nothing to say against emergency personnel except that you put your lives on the line when somebody else has crossed it, changing people's lives in your own small ways. Like I said in previous posts, I hope you'll never see the day when you'll have to witness firsthand how the laws of physics will overwhelm any kind of engineering design to save lives. But if and when you do, you'll know that engineers have also done their best to design safer cars.

Stuts, there might come a day when you'll be needing a firefighter's help. So watch what you're saying.

 

Posts like the previous three are very uplifting for people in my job to see and I abundantly thank you all for your support of my brothers/sisters and I. Our days are not usually even the aforementioned 10 hr days - most all of mine are 24 hour days - on duty and subject to go throughout the day and night. I went to college for two years for this and worked months of field rotations, and yes I can support my family doing it (between two jobs - about 80 hours/wk), but there were many other choices I could have picked better if only based on money. I like helping people and making their catastrophic events more bearable because I was there. Thank all you wonderful people who can appreciate that; it is one of the big things that really makes our job more rewarding/fulfilling.

Tracy

kudos, people like you help make this world a better place.

 

Posts like the previous three are very uplifting for people in my job to see and I abundantly thank you all for your support of my brothers/sisters and I. Our days are not usually even the aforementioned 10 hr days - most all of mine are 24 hour days - on duty and subject to go throughout the day and night. I went to college for two years for this and worked months of field rotations, and yes I can support my family doing it (between two jobs - about 80 hours/wk), but there were many other choices I could have picked better if only based on money. I like helping people and making their catastrophic events more bearable because I was there. Thank all you wonderful people who can appreciate that; it is one of the big things that really makes our job more rewarding/fulfilling.

Tracy

^5

Top notch post man.

And I didnt say thank you for the information you posted about the rollover. That's certainly something Im please to hear about and be aware of.

Im glad you started the thread and gave us the info.

Merci.
Jem

 

Posts like the previous three are very uplifting for people in my job to see and I abundantly thank you all for your support of my brothers/sisters and I. Our days are not usually even the aforementioned 10 hr days - most all of mine are 24 hour days - on duty and subject to go throughout the day and night. I went to college for two years for this and worked months of field rotations, and yes I can support my family doing it (between two jobs - about 80 hours/wk), but there were many other choices I could have picked better if only based on money. I like helping people and making their catastrophic events more bearable because I was there. Thank all you wonderful people who can appreciate that; it is one of the big things that really makes our job more rewarding/fulfilling.

Tracy

 

now more importantly Tracyf being a fire fighter why are you guys watching T.V. and Surfing the net at work

Oh come on... as if there isnt a bloody SINGLE moment in your day amongst everything when you cant find time to make a little post, the idea to which was inspired by something you saw in the job and just wanted to comment on.

Making the odd quick post online once or twice a day is nothing like spending the whole day reading the forum and posting to every single post.

I cant believe someone would get slagged for making "a single" post during the day. Thats like saying you should never be allowed to get a cup of coffee bc that time could be better spent doing something else.

And posting on here, hows that ANY different than ppl milling outside an office for 5 mins at some point thru out the day conversing w/ a co-worker (about non-job related things)... << I promise you this happens ALL the time in all manners of jobs!

And besides all that i ranted on above, you are entitled to 15 min breaks (give or take) for every X number of hours worked... in Canada/Ontario anyways, the information can be found on the Ontario governments website dealing with employment terms.

If you work at McDicks you get X number of set breaks based on your shift, but usually you're at managements whim for when you must take them. I work for an accounting firm and although no specific break periods are allotted to us, nevertheless we're entitled to them and take them as we see fit through out the day. And there's nothing inappropriate about that. Those are the labour laws.

Jem

 

I would first like to say God bless you tracyf, and your family/friends. :heart: Don’t worry about me as God has blessed me with my health,:smokin: I think if you are blessed with health in life you have nothing really to complain about.:thumbup: I know I will not be able to convince any of you, all of you seem to have your minds set that fire fighters are heroes and work hard. Fire Fighters make what 70,000 a year in Ontario/Canada, or close to 90,000 for the veterans of the squad. Fire fighters work something like 4 days on 3 days off something like that, so with only working four days a week or maybe just 3 and yes they stay at the fire house with their big screen T.V. and high speed internet. A lot of fire fighters with this extra time are able to have a second job, pretty nice considering they already make at least 70,000 a year. :whatwhat: I wish I could have second job to make more money, but unfortunately I work to hard, and would not have enough energy. :disappoin When I was shopping for my Yaris I was in the Toyota dealers parking lot, up pulls a big red fire truck, the good old boys get out in their fancy dancy uniforms and go look at the big old Toyota FJ Cruiser 2007. I said to my friend, maybe they are buying the FJ Cruiser for the fire house, so they can go pick up their nightly movies and popcorn.:lol: I guess what I am trying to get across here is these men and women are not heroes :disappoin they don’t have a hard job :disappoin although at times a hot job. :lol: Unfortunately in life the nice guys/people finish last, :thumbdown the real heroes of are society are the people that get paid crappy wages have two/three/four jobs just to make ends meet and never complain, :disappoin they are the people that keep are society going. :clap: Fire fighters do nothing other than put out fires and arrive on at the scene. :hammer: I would like to end by saying this God bless the hard working men and women of are Society :thumbup: who go to work give 200% everyday and get little in return, :sosad: :thumbdown they are the real heroes. :thumbup: Oh and just one more thing my Ex Girlfriend was working on becoming a Fire Fighter, :hammer: one of the laziest people I have ever met. Keep on Keepin on to the real heroes of are Society I know I appreciate you. :clap: :heart:

First things first. I appreciate EMT/FF/Police for their job.

Simply put, Stuts, your post is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Ever. You have no basis other than your own misguided ignorance on anything you've said.
The "real heroes" are those that have 3 or 4 jobs just to make end meet and never complain?!? Where I come from, those people are the ones that have no education, and no initiative to get a decent job. They do NOT keep society going.
Working 4 days on/four days off... What's wrong with that? 4 10 hours days still equals 40 hours a week, last time I did the math.
Fire fighters do nothing more than put out fires and arrive on the scene? While I'm not a firefighter, and have never wanted to be, I know that A)That's not all they do, and B)Even if it was, who cares? It takes more bravery to do that than it takes you to hear "Ding" and know the fries are done.
I'm sorry your ex girlfriend dumped you. I'll bet she WAS lazy. Lazy girl probably only worked one 40 hour a week job while studying to be a firefighter. :lol: <---Oh, that was sarcasm there, if you didn't catch it.

 

I would first like to say God bless you tracyf, and your family/friends. :heart: Don’t worry about me as God has blessed me with my health,:smokin: I think if you are blessed with health in life you have nothing really to complain about.:thumbup: I know I will not be able to convince any of you, all of you seem to have your minds set that fire fighters are heroes and work hard. Fire Fighters make what 70,000 a year in Ontario/Canada, or close to 90,000 for the veterans of the squad. Fire fighters work something like 4 days on 3 days off something like that, so with only working four days a week or maybe just 3 and yes they stay at the fire house with their big screen T.V. and high speed internet. A lot of fire fighters with this extra time are able to have a second job, pretty nice considering they already make at least 70,000 a year. :whatwhat: I wish I could have second job to make more money, but unfortunately I work to hard, and would not have enough energy. :disappoin When I was shopping for my Yaris I was in the Toyota dealers parking lot, up pulls a big red fire truck, the good old boys get out in their fancy dancy uniforms and go look at the big old Toyota FJ Cruiser 2007. I said to my friend, maybe they are buying the FJ Cruiser for the fire house, so they can go pick up their nightly movies and popcorn.:lol: I guess what I am trying to get across here is these men and women are not heroes :disappoin they don’t have a hard job :disappoin although at times a hot job. :lol: Unfortunately in life the nice guys/people finish last, :thumbdown the real heroes of are society are the people that get paid crappy wages have two/three/four jobs just to make ends meet and never complain, :disappoin they are the people that keep are society going. :clap: Fire fighters do nothing other than put out fires and arrive on at the scene. :hammer: I would like to end by saying this God bless the hard working men and women of are Society :thumbup: who go to work give 200% everyday and get little in return, :sosad: :thumbdown they are the real heroes. :thumbup: Oh and just one more thing my Ex Girlfriend was working on becoming a Fire Fighter, :hammer: one of the laziest people I have ever met. Keep on Keepin on to the real heroes of are Society I know I appreciate you. :clap: :heart:

That rambling rant is a monument to idiocy. More than anything else, it sounds as if jealousy of a worthwhile career and bitterness towards an ex play a far larger part in stuts' opinion than common sense does.

 

bigger is only better if a big veichle hits you, say like a 70's or 80's domestic. But for the most part even large viehcles don't take much of a hit to write off anymore since the frames are designed to crumple!

 

Thank you, thank you, thank you.....

True, it has one of the shortest fronts. Hence, there isn't much crumple zone to absorb the impact unless they reinforce the crumple zones with buttresses to further absorb the impact and prevent the passengers from receiving the brunt.

There was a crash test of an MCC Smart ForTwo at 70mph into a heavy barrier. See for yourself:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s&search=smart%20crash%20test

The general rule of thumb is the smaller the car, the higher the load is on the passengers--even if the car survives. This is because the crumple zones get smaller with a smaller car. But Toyota has proven they can manufacture safer cars. I just hope the cars perform as they were designed to be.

I hope you won't have to witness this firsthand once you're a successful firefighter. Best of luck.

.....for that video link. I've always wanted to see how any car fares in a crash, at "real world" speeds like 70mph, and not the unrealistic 40mph that the IIHS uses ....that video was very informative. I think the IIHS should increase it's frontal crash speed to at least 55 to 60mph, cause most vehicles today earn a "good" rating at the current 40mph into barrier crash test.

 

Thats Wonderful

 

TracyF, thanks for what you do. The reason I currently have a Toyota is I rolled my Civic
The fire dept was the first on the scene, thanks again
Jerry
Now have a 07 Yaris HB
PS:Wonder why Smuts doesn't have the initative to get a fire dept job?

 

Thank you.

That video really shows the advantage with the safety cells.
I will only be in the reserve, so my chances for beeing called to the really bad accidents aren't as high. We are currently experiensing the lowest number of traffic accidents since the 50's, so the impact of all the new safety features really shows!

 

True, it has one of the shortest fronts. Hence, there isn't much crumple zone to absorb the impact unless they reinforce the crumple zones with buttresses to further absorb the impact and prevent the passengers from receiving the brunt.

There was a crash test of an MCC Smart ForTwo at 70mph into a heavy barrier. See for yourself:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s&search=smart%20crash%20test

The general rule of thumb is the smaller the car, the higher the load is on the passengers--even if the car survives. This is because the crumple zones get smaller with a smaller car. But Toyota has proven they can manufacture safer cars. I just hope the cars perform as they were designed to be.

I hope you won't have to witness this firsthand once you're a successful firefighter. Best of luck.

 

Please don't generalize. Bigger isn't better, but smaller isn't better either.

It all depends on the given situation. The Yaris wasn't built to withstand an immense blow from a large vehicle. Heck, even a 560SEL W126 Benz was demolished when a truck hit it head on upon jumping the median. 3 people were instantly killed in that wreck and mind you, that S was the best in its class back then.

You would imagine newer cars would fare better but think again, it all depends on the design and structural integrity. In any accident anything goes, what the engineers designed is to minimize damage and to maximize safety and occupant escape.

Considering the car is small and light, the roof would not crumple down onto the girl. However if the car were broadsided, hit headon or be involved in a multiple-car pile up, that would be a different matter.

And it doesn't mean that if the car receives 4 or 5 stars that it performs much better than those that got 2 or 3 stars in the crash tests. Some cars are not built for those tests but rather for real life accidents and hence receive a low rating but perform extremely well in real life accidents.

The new Yaris was actually designed to withstand a high speed crash. Toyota performs a test where it is crashing into a 2Ton vehicle with 80km/h, so the safety cell has to be extremely powerful. You can see how the cabin holds the shape in Euroncap's test, and that is with one of the shortest fronts in the class!

You are right about the ratings. If you want to use the crash tests, you have to read the text where they explain how well the car performed. In Euroncap the 5. star is often given because of a seat belt alarm!

/A possible future firefighter

 

http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/safety/articles/43804/article.html

 

I know that this is only one example of an accident and there are many but I would like to share with everyone my experience with a small vrs big car in a head on that I was in.

The car that hit me was a 98 Tercel and here is the after pics,

The car I was driving was a 1994 Crown Victoria and this is what it looked like after the accident,

My Crown Vic. did recieve much less damage that Her Toyota but we both walked away (sort of), the paramedics insisted that we go for a ride with them and get checked out. Her Toyota crumpled like it was supposed to and her car ended up 20-25 feet away and pointing the other way beside the sidewalk. Mine stopped 10 feet down the road without moving from the direction I was going. What I'm trying to say is that hers being the smaller lighter car was tossed out of the way and her air/crumple zones did what they were supposed to. I would have never bought an Echo sedan before this accident but after seeing the outcome it doesn't bother me at all..


I forgot to add that this was at 50k (30 miles an hour)...

 

Guys, I promise I did not mean for this thread to turn into a bash-or-praise firemen thing. I just observed something from a substantial vehicle accident involving a small vehicle that impressed/surprised me and thought I would be doing someone a service by putting the first-hand observation on here. Have a great day -

 

Karugs I agree with :thumbup: smaller is just as effective :thumbup:

 

Me being a lazy Fire Fighter :lol: lol I am laughing out load for that one :lol: long live the real workers of are Society you’re the real hero’s :thumbup: :clap:

 

I would first like to say God bless you tracyf, and your family/friends. :heart: Don’t worry about me as God has blessed me with my health,:smokin: I think if you are blessed with health in life you have nothing really to complain about.:thumbup: I know I will not be able to convince any of you, all of you seem to have your minds set that fire fighters are heroes and work hard. Fire Fighters make what 70,000 a year in Ontario/Canada, or close to 90,000 for the veterans of the squad. Fire fighters work something like 4 days on 3 days off something like that, so with only working four days a week or maybe just 3 and yes they stay at the fire house with their big screen T.V. and high speed internet. A lot of fire fighters with this extra time are able to have a second job, pretty nice considering they already make at least 70,000 a year. :whatwhat: I wish I could have second job to make more money, but unfortunately I work to hard, and would not have enough energy. :disappoin When I was shopping for my Yaris I was in the Toyota dealers parking lot, up pulls a big red fire truck, the good old boys get out in their fancy dancy uniforms and go look at the big old Toyota FJ Cruiser 2007. I said to my friend, maybe they are buying the FJ Cruiser for the fire house, so they can go pick up their nightly movies and popcorn.:lol: I guess what I am trying to get across here is these men and women are not heroes :disappoin they don’t have a hard job :disappoin although at times a hot job. :lol: Unfortunately in life the nice guys/people finish last, :thumbdown the real heroes of are society are the people that get paid crappy wages have two/three/four jobs just to make ends meet and never complain, :disappoin they are the people that keep are society going. :clap: Fire fighters do nothing other than put out fires and arrive on at the scene. :hammer: I would like to end by saying this God bless the hard working men and women of are Society :thumbup: who go to work give 200% everyday and get little in return, :sosad: :thumbdown they are the real heroes. :thumbup: Oh and just one more thing my Ex Girlfriend was working on becoming a Fire Fighter, :hammer: one of the laziest people I have ever met. Keep on Keepin on to the real heroes of are Society I know I appreciate you. :clap: :heart:

That's the most ignorant post I have ever read in a long time.

Wait until you find yourself actually needing their services and perhaps your perspective will change.

It sounds more like you are envious of the "4 day work week", and "70,000 salary": the so-called perks of doing a high-stress, high-risk job, having to save complete strangers from danger.