Pirelli p7 plus ?

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I have stayed with Michelin for the Toyo since I have never had one sweep air. The Firestones on my Suzuki lose several lbs a month.
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The factory "energy" tires usually don't last long and are meant for fuel economy. I've always been able to get the rated miles from Michelins (from Costco). If you don't, they prorate the difference IIRC. Free road hazard repairs, lifetime rotation and balance.

No problems with Continental ProContacts. Or General tires. No GoodYear or Bridgestones for me.

 

Have no problems with current Continental PureContacts. Using it for almost 2 years now.

I also have it on my current '10 Corolla and I pushing it hard without problems. For daily driving I think they're great.

 

I wouldnt call pirelli a second tier, they make really awesome tires.

I think for the most part every manufacturer has their good and bad models. IME michelin has the best offering in their lineup, but their prices reflect this.

If I were in the market now for tires I would look at the Pirelli P7+ and the Michelin Premier A/S.

I consider second tier manufacturers tires like dunlop, kumho, falken (loved my FK452), yokohama etc..

and then you have third teir like the ones they push at pep boys, autozone etc..

and then of course you have the absolute garbage out of China that the local independent shops sell you with your 20" wheels because they can offer a price that is perceived as low.

I always try and remember that price is only ever an issue in the absence of value. I have no problem paying more for michelins that I will keep on the car for tens of thousands of miles and provide me with the ride and handling I want. In fact, one of my *demands* when i bought the car was that whatever car the dealer *pulled* from another lot had to have the michelins. Not that the Mich Primacy is an awesome tire, but that the bridgestones are complete garbage.

 

uniroyal tiger paws...excellent tires!

 

We've been selling a few of the Cooper CS5 Ultra Touring, they seem to ride well, wear well, and are quiet. We don't like the Tigerpaw at all, they get very noisy with only a missed rotation or slightly out of align suspension. Michelin are almost always the best but you really do pay through the nose for it. Try to balance how much you drive in a 5 year time span vs the expected life of the tires and replace them during the 6th year so you always have good safe fresh rubber on the road, regardless of tread depth. The difference in traction and ride quality between a dry rotted and a new tire is pretty big, not to mention the risk of delamination at high way speeds. Literally the only thing keeping you alive when you're driving are about 4 sq feet of rubber touching the road, keep good rubbers on her!

 

Michelin has certainly earned my repeat business. I have 62,000 miles on my OEM MXV4's without having ever balanced them or had an alignment. My car tracks straight and true with no shimmy or shake ever. All I have ever done is had them rotated at each oil change which is included for free where I get my service done.

 

put tiger paws on 2 corollas and a 95 camry...got 70k out of 2 of the sets of tires...60k out of the other.

 

I have Toyo Proxes 1. They're considered max summer performance tires and they're awesome so far. Drives better than Michelins and handles very well.

 

Michelin Primacy MXV4's are good tires, but I currently have Pirelli P7 Plus on my 2003 Avalon and they are the best ever. Although after almost a year on the car, I did have to air them up the other day. They were down to 27PSI, and I aired them up to 32. My tires are 205/60/16.

 

After doing research I have narrowed it to - General RT 43, Yokohama Avid Ascend, Pep Boys -Delfinity is popular and Copper C3 for next best after Michelin.. Don't like Continental or Pirelli. Any thoughts on this ??

 

cooper makes a great tire

 

Reasons why you don't like Pirelli and Continentals? Have you looked into Toyos?

 

I hear Pirelli is better as a performance tire and Conti is a soft Tire.
I know nothing of Toyo.

 

I have no idea what "soft" tire means. Sounds like something a plaid pants wearing tire salesman would say while trying to steer you to a high profit Chinese junk tire.

 

My Pirellis are better than the Michelin they replaced.

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Mine too

 

Toyos are severely underrated and overlooked by a lot of people. They're one the most reputable tire brands out there and has a small market of enthusiasts. I have not heard any bad rep about any of their tires so far. They're cheap and great quality tires. Do some research on them if you have the time. I'm currently running on Proxes 1, which is considered a max performance summer tire but in the lower end of the spectrum.

They're quiet on the road and has great ride comfort. Pirellis are better than Michelins due to costs and quality. They actually might be better.

 

X speed I have the same car as yours how many miles did you get out of the original set and how much are the Toyo's you mentioned? thanks

 

I hit 35k miles before I got new sets of Toyos. I had Bridgestone Turanzas. Mediocre tires at best. It really held back the potential performance of the car.

I got a set of 4 of Toyo Proxes 1 for less than $600, including installation.

Good luck finding something similar, I think they raised the prices up.

 

Have you guys had any experience with Hankook tires?

I have a new 17 SE Camry and once the factory Bridgestones wear out I was considering Hankook tires.

I had them on my Honda Odyssey and they performed very well in summer, rain and snow.

Just curious if anyone has feedback. When comparing these to Michelin or something else.

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Anything is better than Kumho. Hankook is good quality.

 

"Are michelins as good as kumhos/hankook/xyz" ... said no one ever.

Ive already replied once in this thread, but it just doesnt make sense to cheap out on tire. This is a product that has your safety and comfort at stake, and you will be riding on them every day for the next 4 years.

2-300 dollars extra over 4 years is insignificant when gambling with the alternative of junk tires.

Go with the pirelli p7+ if needing an all season. they are an awesome tire and VERY competitively priced.

 

How do they perform in lots of snow or ice?

(the Pirelli)

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I can give you a direct comparason of Michelin and Pirelli. On my 2012 I have had Michleins mxv4 and premier. I now have Prelli p7 plus all season. The p7 is by far the best tire. Quieter and smoother with great dry and wet handling. Better mpg also. We have not had snow or ice yet, so I cant comment on that.

I purchased the p7 on a labor day sale at Discount tire. $499 installed, after a $100 rebate. Almost half the cost of Michleins.

I have been a Michelin fanboy for years,but these p7 have convienced me that Michlean no longer has the lead they once had. There are same quality or enen better tires out there and at a much better value.

 

I can give you a direct comparason of Michelin and Pirelli. On my 2012 I have had Michleins mxv4 and premier. I now have Prelli p7 plus all season. The p7 is by far the best tire. Quieter and smoother with great dry and wet handling. Better mpg also. We have not had snow or ice yet, so I cant comment on that.

I purchased the p7 on a labor day sale at Discount tire. $499 installed, after a $100 rebate. Almost half the cost of Michleins.

I have been a Michelin fanboy for years,but these p7 have convienced me that Michlean no longer has the lead they once had. There are good or better and at a much better value.

Where do you live?
(I'm in Northern Indiana)

How much snow or ice does your area get in a typical winter?

I'd he real interested in some feedback after winter on how well the Pirellis perform (maybe in late February or March lol).

I'm leaning towards Hankook (because I had great experience with them previously) but I've also had Pirelli tires (P7000) 15 years ago. Granted those Pirellis weren't meant for winter driving but their rain/summer performance was stellar.

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I am interested in the P7 as well and might give them a shot. I have two sets of Michelin premiers on our cars. They are fantastic in rain with grooves that open up as they wear and I can honestly say the marketing on them being as good or better in rain (while wore down) than other new tires is true. That is what makes me get new tires, when I feel any hydroplaning in rain at speed that's it. They handle well and are very good in the snow. Surprised me quite a bit and were an incredible improvement in snow versus the Michelin defenders they replaced. Only downsides are -- Price, mileage rating, and milage impact versus a low rolling resistance tire.