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Brownish-red coolant = radiator is rusting?

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I had put Toyota Red in the car about 40k miles ago (had some spare in the garage). However, I just noticed my coolant in the radiator is turning brownish.

Is it a sign that the radiator is rusting?

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The coolant in the overflow reservoir is still bright/dark red though.

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There was also some crystallized red and white salt underneath the radiator cap and some black rubber flakes in the radiator coolant.

Time to change coolant? Radiator? Radiator hoses? All of the above? I haven't noticed any overheating or leaking issues though. Thanks in advance for your help!
 
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Toyota Red OEM concentrate coolant that has to have distilled water added to it. It was meant for Toyotas older than 2004(?).


I used to have a '96 Camry that only used Toyota Red and not Toyota Pink Super Long Life. I had read that newer generations could still use the old Toyota Red, and since I didn't have Toyota Pink handy, I put this into my 2005.

I'm pretty sure that I did a complete flush then refill when filling with the Toyota Red. As for what was in the system before, my memory is a bit foggy. I think it could have just been basic Prestone green stuff that the previous owner put in, and that's why I switched it over to the Toyota Red.
 
#5 ·
The color is probably a mix of whatever was in it plus the red. There is always some left in after a "flush". If there was some green it it prior, then there is the brown color you are seeing.

I'd go get the pink stuff at Pep Boys, concentrate, buy some distilled water, and mix a few 50/50 bottles yourself. Then drain and refill a few times. Get all the old green out of there.
 
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Today, I ended up testing the pH of my coolant at the radiator cap opening. pH was 6.5. Not good.

I was starting to worry, but then drained my radiator and the coolant was still bright red with maybe a tinge of brown. Not terrible. Thought it would be worse.

Then I took off the upper and lower radiator hoses. Surprisingly, they were still in good condition. However, I'm still going to replace them since I already bought the replacements for those.

Then I tore open the water outlet opening and took out the thermostat. Uh...

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The circumference of the thermostat gasket is like 1/2" too big? What in the world.... When I took off the thermostat, the extra gasket was jammed tightly into the water outlet housing so that it wouldnt leak though. Could a gasket just get larger like that over time? Or was the gasket just the wrong one from the get go? Such a strange situation. The old thermostat tested fine in a pot of boiling water though.

Also, interestingly, the coolant that came out of the engine block was bright pink. Not sure why it wouldn't be reddish like the radiator coolant...
 
#12 · (Edited)
When I replaced my thermostat and seal (all Toyota parts, but the thermostat is a revised part), the seals was tight around them, both new and old. Is that a Toyota thermostat in the photo?

When you put it back in, ensure that the “jiggle pin” or “check valve” (that allows trapped air in the cooling system to pass through the thermostat and be released from the system), shown at the top in the photo above, is exactly at the 12 o'clock position.
 
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It was a Kuzeh thermostat (hard to see, but bottom left), which I believe is the OEM manufacturer. My new thermostat, which I got from the dealer, does actually have the Toyota symbol on it. They looked practically the same, with some very minor differences. I couldn't tell if the Kuzeh was an aftermarket one, or just different because of the age.
 
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Just wanted to write an update to this:

It turned out that it wasn't as bad as I thought. I don't any notice rusting, but I did have some calcification and white flakes/salting in the drained coolant, as well as rubber flakes from something.

Also I don't know if the brownish red coolant was indicative of anything other than it looked that way in dark spaces. The reason I say that is because i have a black drain pan, and newish "pink" coolant still looked brownish-red in the black background.

I believe the biggest reason to change the coolant was that the old coolant was slightly acidic (pH = 6.5) along with the rubber flakes and salting, whereas the new coolant is alkaline (pH = 8.5).