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Issues with Fast Idle.

5.7K views 13 replies 5 participants last post by  My Dream  
#1 ·
Car Details
2004 Corolla CE with approximately 80,000 miles.

Problem
The fast idle is around 2100 rpm and doesn't come down to normal idle for about 4.5 minutes. I doesn't really matter whether it's 70 degrees out (yesterday) or 90 degree temperatures, it still idles far too long (in my opinion). My Avalon goes off fast idle during the summer within 20 seconds. This problem was worse before the intake manifold replacement (2700 rpm) but I still find it's too high at start and takes too long to go off fast idle.

Diagnostics
There is not engine light and I also checked for codes which none were found. At 70,000 miles I replaced the intake manifold gasket with OEM material. Two weeks ago I replaced both O2 sensors (Denso) as well as the TPS (Denso) just as a maintenance procedure, not due to any trouble codes as there were none.

Question
Since not trouble codes are found/stored, any suggestions on troubleshooting?

Thanks
 
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#7 ·
Thanks for the reply 75 aces:
My problem isn't with the rpm's in fast idle per say, although it's higher then it was when new (new fast idle 1700 for 30 seconds during summer). My issue is with it going from 30 seconds for about the first 14 years and now it's 4 1/2 minutes before going to regular idle.

As stated earlier, I can't find the issue, therefore I'll live with it.

Thanks
 
#8 ·
if it has the original intake gasket, that needs to be replaced. the idle issues should go away once it's been replaced. i've had similiar issues with two cars and both were solved with replacing the old gasket. its a really simple easy swap. i just read that you replaced that already.. i guess see if there is still a vaccume leak there. its possible the intake may have a small crack in it.
 
#10 ·
Thanks for the reply rich_d.
In the original post under diagnostics, I stated "At 70,000 miles I replaced the intake manifold gasket with OEM material. " That procedure/repair, brought down my fast idle from 2800 rpm to 2100 rpm, but it still takes over 4 minutes during the middle of summer and still now.

Thanks for the suggestion sdspeed.
I don't have any propane around, but I did try brake cleaner when I was diagnosing another issue in the corolla, and checking for vacuum leaks and found none.
 
#11 ·
It's the temp sensor that detects the engine coolant temp, which brings the idle down I believe. Does your temp gauge read ok? The fact that it comes down to normal idle after 5 minutes should rule out a vacuum leak.
Is your coolant low? I wonder if that can affect the engines ability to sense the coolant temp?
You should give your local dealership 1 hour to diagnose the problem, or at least go ask them what they think.....
What did you find with the IAC?.....good luck.
 
#12 ·
That's for the input kevcules46.
Temperature gauge has always read in the middle once warmed up since new.
Coolant was checked 2 weeks ago and it was at the proper level.
Dealership wants $130.00 per hour (in Canada) and I'm unwilling to pay that amount, based on no guarantee of proper diagnostics in that period of time.
Dealer will not give suggestions unless you pay for diagnostics. They won't even scan for free, that's $95.00.
TPS is new denso, I've never checked the IAC. I thought IAC issues, would throw a code?
 
#13 ·
Yeah I hear you. I'm in NB and they want $120/hr around here at the dealership. I just thought they might be able to figure it out quickly if they saw it a hundred times before.
I would remove the IAC just to have a look and make sure the mechanism is not corroded/moving hard. I've never pulled one apart so not sure how it works. I have an 06 Corolla and haven't seen that problem before. Good luck
 
#14 ·
They maybe able to figure it out quickly, but car dealerships go by "Flat Rate" which means the mechanics get paid for what the Factory Service Manual/book rate stated the diagnostic should take. In other words, it the rate to diagnose the problem is one hour, if they figure it out in 10 minutes based on experience, they still get paid 1 hour. If they take longer, they still get paid one hour. That's the way most Ontario Dealerships charge.

I never thought of the IAC being an issue until you mentioned, it. I should Utube it and become better educated on how they work and or effect the fast idle.

Thank for the thoughts.