I would expect more mileage out of 100% gas. I wish I lived near that station.

 

Owners manual says don't use alcohol

 

Here in Denver we have nothing but ethanol. Not good for cars, just good for profits.

 

ANYTHING that has ethanol in it ruins your engine, slowly but surely, due to corrosive qualities of alcohol, and reduces your mpg due to lower energy content in ethanol.

I AM ENVIOUS. No way I can find no gasohol here. Entire thing was lobbied by corn producing states, accepted by government, and is good only for corporations. Brazil pioneered ethanol as fuel, paid grossly in busted engines.

GO FOR IT!!!! Also, after you switch to pure petrol, pull ECU fuse out for about a minute, and press brake pedal few times, before re-inserting it. This will remove any residual power in ECU. It will reset and learn new petrol.

 

Here in southern new mexico the one gas station I know of without the ethanol is the phillps 66 were I buy gas. It's also on the 'top tier' list. Each pump has a small sign stating they use ethanol from December to March.

Each early summer I try to drive though 4 or 5 other stations just to see if they include ethanol which they did at the time. That was about a year ago that I looked. I didn't need to look this summer since finding the Phillips station seldom uses ethanol.

I thought ethanol was to reduce pollution in the large cities. Now if everyone owned a toyota hybrid their should be no ethanol and very little pollution.

The top tier gasolines here in Alamogordo are trucked 85 miles from El Paso, Texas. The Phillips 66/Conoco/76, Chevron/Texaco and Shell all come from the large Chevron refinery in El Paso. Each brand has it's won premixed package of additives. I found about the brands and trucking from a Chevron tanker driver here in town years ago.

The non top tier brands, Fina, Valero, Bell and Sav-O-Mat all come from a small refinery 100 miles east of our city.
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http://pure-gas.org/ has listing of 100% gas stations. Closest to where I am is at least 2 hours away.

 

http://pure-gas.org/ has listing of 100% gas stations. Closest to where I am is at least 2 hours away.

Well OZ it's 10 in 10, that's 10 stations in 10 miles (Hot Springs, AR). Lot's of lakes around here. I seen what it (ethanol) does to boats sitting for the winter. It's about 15-20 cents more a gallon. No air pollution here?

 

I wonder how many small engines, lawn mowers and boats with engines designed for 100% gasoline only are ruined by ethanol mixed gas already. What a waste that is.

What about small planes ? How are they managing this ? I wonder.

 

most likely none.
as far as I know US regulations allow 10% of ethanol in any grade gas.
they been doing it I believe 15 years and I never heard about ruined engines because of that.
if you'll run clear ethanol it sure will toast your valves, but 10% not gonna harm it.
I still see plenty of cars with 200K + miles on original engine.

 

Can't imagine you would ever regret using real gas. Ethanol gas starts breaking down rather quickly besides all the other problems mentioned. Cars are supposed to be designed to use it but you don't want to leave the vehicle sitting for long.
I'm not sure small engines have had the same engineering yet. Lawnmower repair shops love the business ethanol has brought them.

 

E10 (90% gas,10% alcohol) is OK for newer vehicles (some exceptions though), bad for older ones. It should also be cheaper than 100% gas. The push for 15% alcohol is what most auto manufacturers are against about.

http://www.fuel-testers.com/ethanol_engine_precautions.html


The idea is to reduce oil dependence and pollution (carbon footprint) but in my opinion corn should be use d as food for people not for machines.




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Isn't this ridiculous? If you live outside of the emissions area in Colorado you can put this pure gas in your car, otherwise you can only put it in a gas can for boats, motorcycles, small engines, etc. Crazy!! So even if I drove across town to the one station that has the pure gas I could not even legally put it in my car.

Updated by Bob, May 18, 2012 18:02 CDT
You can put any of the fuels directly into your fuel tank if you live outside of the emissions testing area or if you have collector plates on your vehicle.
Updated by Curtis, April 17, 2012 21:08 CDT
Thanks Gents! I'll find it next time come hell or high water.
Updated by Doug B., April 06, 2012 19:57 CDT
Bruce is right, friendly, and have 91 no alcohol and HIGH octane. Not supposed to put 91 no alcohol in vehicle but cans, motorcycles and boats OK. They're 1/2 block west on Union off Sante Fe

 

My 95 Corolla with 86,000 miles will turn into a lawn ornament when 15 or 20 per cent ethanol because it does't like 10% now.

 

In Canada I recall gas companies are regulated to put in a minimum % of ethanol on a company wide basis -- something like 3.5%. They may put in more in certain areas and less in others. Some provinces require a higher % like double. Shell claims their premium gas V-Power contains no ethanol. They must get away with it by putting more in the regular and mid grades so their company average meets the minimum regulations. On the other end, they can't put in more than 10%, so they have to make their averages work out without exceeding 10% in any tank of gas.

 

I use Startron additive to counteract the ill effects of ethanol. It's cheap to use since you only need an ounce of it for every 12 gallons or so. The improvement is very noticeable, especially on V8s and high-performance motors. I use it on my '12 TCH as well but don't really see or feel any difference in performance or mpg...yet. I just know what ethanol does in attracting moisture and lumping carbon deposits so I use it.

I also buy and use 100LL avgas when I can get it (at small town airports) but only on my V8 vintage cars. I don't know if the Hybrid can run it safely. I have to research that...
...here's a vid on Startron...

http://youtu.be/Yh4Tb5kIZhg

 

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I did replaced fuel lines on my mower. once withing 7 years.
last time I bought Briggs and Stratton line kit for $ 4 at Lowe's.
my 2001 camry was using nothing but ethanol containing gas for 120+K.
same as my friend's "rolla" with 250+ miles.
no leaking lines.

gas prices concern me much more than possible ethanol caused problems after 300K.
on july 4th regular gas in my area was 2.99, day after -2.21-3.29.
why?

 

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as prices concern me much more than possible ethanol caused problems after 300K.
on july 4th regular gas in my area was 2.99, day after -2.21-3.29.
why?

The lower gas prices may be due to the unrest in the European stock market, is my guess.

 

here's why.

 

Now I know why my freaking lawn mower and trimmer give me hard time. I had to clean the gel forming on the bottom of the reservoir on the mower carburetor whenever I use it. The same $hit happen on the trimmer. Clean/replace part once already. Now I just have to drain the freaking tank out after finish using it. What a FK mess.

 

You might want to try something like the sta-bil addative that might help keep the gel from forming in the gas tank. They are other similar additives for gas that may suite your needs. It won't take much at all to add to the small gas tanks.

Try using gasoline's from the www.toptiergas.com/ Watch the video then look at the Retailers list. These brand have extra additives that might also help prevent your problem.

 

Not sure why people are so against or worry about 10% ethanol, I have a 1998 lincoln continental and 1988 murray riding mower and they don't have issues using E10. The riding mower is winterized every year which means I don't keep stale gas on it (which is bad) and use stabil if I have starting problems with it especially this summer where I don't use it for a couple weeks. The continental is a gas guzzler so it doesn't keep gas for a long time.

On page 276 of 07 TCH Owner's Manual;

CLEANER BURNING GASOLINE
Cleaner burning gasoline, including re- formulated gasoline that contains oxygenates such as ethanol or MTBE is available in many areas.
Toyota recommends the use of cleaner burning gasoline and appropriately blended reformulated gasoline. These types of gasoline provide excellent vehicle performance, reduce vehicle emissions, and improve air quality.
OXYGENATES IN GASOLINE
Toyota allows the use of oxygenate blended gasoline where the oxygenate content is up to 10% ethanol or 15% MTBE. If you use gasohol in your Toyota, be sure that it has an octane rating no lower than 87.
Toyota does not recommend the use of gasoline containing methanol.





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E10 is not a problem for automotive applications as long as you refuel at least once per month. You will see a very slight decrease in mileage vs straight gasoline because of the lower energy content of ethanol, but the difference is rarely more than 1-2%.

Other than hose and seal compatibility, which has already been addressed in most modern power equipment, E10 problems are the result of water absorption.

Ethanol is hydroscopic, so it slowly absorbs moisture from the air. E10 can hold about 0.4% water in solution depending on temperature. When that level is exceeded, phase separation will occur and most of the ethanol and water will drop to the bottom of the tank. Since ethanol increases the octane rating, the remaining gasoline is often below the octane rating of the engine and damage can occur even if the ethanol/water phase is removed by a water separating fuel filter.

High moisture content in E10, even before the phase separation point, can cause corrosion of soft metals (aluminum, brass, etc) in the fuel system. That's because automotive ethanol contains some sulfur, which can form sulfuric acid in the presence of water. The sulfur content of E10 has been decreased in recent years to reduce this problem. At least some gasolines and many aftermarket fuel additives contain compounds that protect metal parts from ethanol/sulfate related corrosion. But precipitation of sulfur containing components of the fuel can still occur during prolonged storage. This can clog filters.

E10 problems are much more common in boats and power equipment than in cars and trucks. The reasons for this are 2 fold: Fuel is typically stored for longer times in boats and power equipment and these engines have open, unpressurized fuel systems. Cars have closed fuel systems, so the rate of moisture entry into the fuel tank is much lower.

So again, as long as you go through a tank every month or so, you shouldn't have any problems running E10 in a hybrid or any other vehicle.

If you need to store your car for a long time, I recommend Sta-Bil. It contain corrosion inhibitors as well as antioxidants that inhibit fuel degradation. I've had good luck storing boats over hot humid Florida summers with a full tank of E10 gas treated with marine Sta-Bil.