the new Tundra will ONLY have it's hands full if gmc/chevy wakes the HELL up and actually BUILDS a truck that wont fall apart!

OR, if all anyone cares about is LOOKS! of course, i notice that gmc/chevys look more and more like TOYOTAs in the styling department every year.

Kel

 

OR, if all anyone cares about is LOOKS! of course, i notice that gmc/chevys look more and more like TOYOTAs in the styling department every year.

Kel

:whatthe:

i see NO, and i mean NO, similarities between the sierra, or any gm product, and toyota.

btw...gm has a better powertrain warranty than toyota. i think over the past 5 years or so domestic vehicles quality and reliability has improved. jmo

 

im feelin the new sierras, but the pricing is rediculous. that 6.0 puts out some power though. i had an 03 silverado with the 4.8 and loved the truck. I've actually had more problems with my toyota than the silverado, so don't pull the domestic is crap card. But ya, 35k is rediculous.

 

according to a site a looked at awhile back, gm really did not raise the prices, so to stay competitive.

 

The new Gm looks sweet man. The denali version is a pimp mobil. I would get a sierra over a tundra. Not really digging the new tundras face. Maybe if they had a color matched grill instead of the big ass chrome i woul d like the tundra.

Im trying to get my dad to get a new Sierra his a GMC fan and i personally like the sierra, very comfy, big, and lots of power.

His thinking about looking at the HD models onces they come out. I havent seen one yet.

By the way 1am looking at trucks?

 

By the way 1am looking at trucks?

dude, thats the best time to look at new vehicles if you don't want to test drive it. no salemen hassling you

 

I like Chevy and Ford trucks.

This one has a 4" lift on 33s and it looks pretty big. Imagine 6" or 8" of lift! It would look BAD ASS.

 

tucson,
i believe the gmc warranty is recent and i read an E-article that stated this was done to try and offset gm losing truck sales to foreign automakers (i dont have the article tho so its a grain of salt i guess).

brock,
i had a 04 2500 hd with tow package etc etc and so many problems with it i sold it at quite a loss and felt lucky i was able to unload it....so i feel the "card" is okay for me to play since i earned it thru experience. altho i did love the ride of that truck and the big engine it had.

but i freely admit i might have gotten a lemon and u might have gotten an exceptionally well put together one (of course i have also owned a 96 formula, a 05 cobalt, a 01 echo, a 00 toyota trd, a 91 toyota reg cab, 99 cobra, and 01 cobra, and the gm products were always giving me the most probs).

im not a hater, but i think the fact tht both gm and ford are losing to foreign made automakers (not just toyota) is an indication where things are going...i don't make enough money to drive a vehicle with lots of probs.

Kel

 

For some reason im not liking the front grille of the silverado. I like the sierras.

My dad has own two Sierras. one with the 8.1L and the other is the duramax, both HD and man this puppies can pull and they have power. And not a single problem on both. The 8.1L is a 02 and the duramax is an 06. Gas miealage sucks but hey company pays for gas and diesel. Not one trip to the dealer etheir.

 

Ha, the only thing a GMC/Chevy and a Toyota will have in common are the HVAC units and the PODS/SDM units which are supplied to all three of the companies by Delphi.

I like the new Tundra better, but it'd be nice if Toyota would put in a diesel powerplant into their Tundra (and a nice smaller diesel for the Tacoma! )

 

I really like the new chevy/gmc. IMO the interior was nicer in those than in the new Tundra when I sat in them both at the Boston auto show. But I agree, the chevy's prices are crazy.

 

I looked at the new Silverado and Sierra while comparo shopping...Good looking trucks, but one thing that for one reason or another stuck out to me was that the rear wheel wells just look...unfinished. Like they forgot to put some trim in there. Maybe it's just me.

The plastic inside is comparable to a Nissan 350Z, which if you're familiar with them, isn't exactly a compliment. I think KIA is using better grade stuff these days.

The one thing that initially suckered my in was V8 availability. But by the time you price everything in, you in the upper $30K's.

 

Toyota Diesel

Ha, the only thing a GMC/Chevy and a Toyota will have in common are the HVAC units and the PODS/SDM units which are supplied to all three of the companies by Delphi.

I like the new Tundra better, but it'd be nice if Toyota would put in a diesel powerplant into their Tundra (and a nice smaller diesel for the Tacoma! )

Toyota is in negotiatons or has already acquired the diesel manufacturing arm of Isuzu. There may be a diesel in Toyota's future, soon.
GM has owned the biggest percentage of Isuzu for years. I do not know their position now.
I may be wrong in saying this, but if you look at the Isuzu gas engines, double overhead cams, all aluminum, those engines may be in some GM cars today. Imagine that.

Isuzu's are built like tanks, can't kill 'em.

Phoenix

 

I just can never get past their reliability and build quality. I will always have a biased against GM/Ford and never buy any of their vehicles. Im sure they have gotten alot better but I will never get rid of this bias.

 

Toyota is in negotiatons or has already acquired the diesel manufacturing arm of Isuzu. There may be a diesel in Toyota's future, soon.
GM has owned the biggest percentage of Isuzu for years. I do not know their position now.
I may be wrong in saying this, but if you look at the Isuzu gas engines, double overhead cams, all aluminum, those engines may be in some GM cars today. Imagine that.

Isuzu's are built like tanks, can't kill 'em.

Phoenix

See I think the older Isuzu was better before GM acquired majority of the company...all they doo now is what they do to Saab...use GM underpinnings with GM drivetrain. I don't hear a lot of good things. If the diesels came from Isuzu car/truck division, no way would I buy one. But if it came from their heavy truck/commercial division, which I beleive GM doesn't own, then I would.

GM anything I am wary about. I can live with Delphi, although a lot of the testing I do is for Delphi (but it's prototype and validation testing) and some of their products aren't that promising either.

 

I looked at the new Silverado and Sierra while comparo shopping...Good looking trucks, but one thing that for one reason or another stuck out to me was that the rear wheel wells just look...unfinished. Like they forgot to put some trim in there. Maybe it's just me.

The plastic inside is comparable to a Nissan 350Z, which if you're familiar with them, isn't exactly a compliment. I think KIA is using better grade stuff these days.

The one thing that initially suckered my in was V8 availability. But by the time you price everything in, you in the upper $30K's.

Agreed about the rear wheelwells. I didn't get to actually feel the interior materials, so I can't comment about the plastics.


So, Ajax... did you bite the bullet on the Tacoma yet? Or, are you still shopping?

 

I just can never get past their reliability and build quality. I will always have a biased against GM/Ford and never buy any of their vehicles. Im sure they have gotten alot better but I will never get rid of this bias.

+1


they screwed themselfs years ago

 

the new full size gm's are my choice of the big 3..was lookin at them at the Boston Auto show in November..theyre it...the new tundra didnt impress me much
i can be partial..my other truck is an 03 2500 hd chevy with the allisson dmax

 

with the standard 100k warrentys they offer now, i would consider a GM... never ever thought id say that.. only with the trucks tho.. F their cars.

 

At least the Avalanche looks a lot better now. But the HD GM's have too wide of a grill.

Oh, and have you seen the '08 Ford Superdutys? They turned the lights upside down. It looks weird. Kind of like the upside down lights on a Colorado.

 

 

So, Ajax... did you bite the bullet on the Tacoma yet? Or, are you still shopping?

Yes, I picked it up yesterday. RR OR 4X4 double cab. I haven't announced, cuz I haven't had a chance to take pics. It's dark by the time I get home.

I'll post some tomorrow.

It's...an adjustment. I'm having problems finding the window switches, remembering to turn off the lights...remembering the lights don't turn themselves on (!) I take up a bit more room on the road than I'm used to...but the ride is much better with all that sidewall.

 

The dome and map lights will turn off by themselves after a while. The headlights and marker lights turn off automatically when you turn off the engine and open the door.

 

I just looked at my first Chevy Silverado today at the dealer, their pretty nice but why does it seem smaller then the F-150? One thing i noticed is that the body gaps are considerably tighter then the previous generation a plus for chevy for getting hat right this time, but i haven't been inside yet, mabye tomorrow just for a test drive for the hell of it.
Would that mean im cheating on my Tacoma?

 

GM knows that Toyota was bringing something serious to the game with the new Tundra, and over all, I think GM did a great job with the new Silverado/Sierra. If there is a segment that the domestics know, it is trucks, and GM is best in the buisiness. Not to under credit Ford's F-Series trucks, and certainly the Super Duty trucks have a demanding brute appearance and power to back it up...but at the end of the day, a Duramax 3500 Silverado/Sierra is proven to only fall in comparison to the Ford F-350 Super Duty because of the buyers loyalty. However, all things aside, just looking at GM's new full size trucks for what they are..they are everything that a Chevy and a GMC truck should be.

Like any vehicle, after you look at the numbers, it all boils down to appeal..what will owning this truck say about you and how well you like it. GM isnt being liberal with flashy design, but they certainly arnt being conservative either. While the Tundra on the other hand will be a love it or hate it. I think the Tundra will take sales from the domestics because of its Toyota-Reliability reputation and because its very stlyish. But the truck market, unlike the car market, caters to the consumers who use these vehicles day in and day out as not only a means of transportation, but as a tool, something to help them bring home the bread. And many people in the truck market will go with the "If it aint broke, dont fix it" mind set..which is safe. And many of these people are loyal, through generations, my daddy drove a Chevy so I drive a Chevy type of thing. And thats where the domestics have the upper hand..they have loyalty. And I dont think its any secret that the domestics finally realize that Toyota isnt going any where, GM FoMoCo and DCX cant slack in the truck segment, its the last playing field that they dominate. And considering the Tundra is just now finally a true worthy competitor in the segment, both Toyota and the domestics are pretty much feeling the same way..a bit nervous at what the future may hold.

All along, I believe the domestics are forgetting one important thing.. the mid-size truck market!! And that is both good and bad for alot of you guys here..if Toyota doesnt have any tough competition, will they strive to continue bringing the best to offer? I hope they do! But what does the Tacoma really have to compete with?? the smaller, under powered and less capable Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon?? nah, Tacomas got them beat hands down. The fossil also known as the Ranger? I sometimes think Ford forgets they have the Ranger untill they see how much profit the bring in considering it has only had minor upgrades since 93-94! So again, the Tacoma out shines and out performs what Ford offers. And that leaves us with the Dakota, oh Dakota Dakota Dakota..are you a Lego construction? are you any more reliable then your family? NO! The biggest complaint with Dakota owners is that they signed the title! So to summerize, the only thing that stops the Tacoma from having 100% of the mid-size sales is the loyalty people have for domestics, and the fact that Toyota wouldnt be able to push out enough Tacomas from the assembly lines if people woke up and bought on the right choice, rather then the "buy because its domestic" choice. But my opinion on that goes both ways, I dont respect those who buy American soley because its American any more then I respect those who buy Import because its Import...research the products and stop buying 90% on style and 10% on your loyalty! Buy because its the best choice! And for all you Tacoma owners, if you bought it because it looks nice..well your in luck, because not only is it the best looking but its the best capable and strongest performing on and off road aswell. So with that, I applaud :clap: ha.