[Dejablue1!]

But now...
I have a Check Engine light.
The dealer says I need to replace my Evap Canister, at my expense. $775.00 installed.
I told them that it seems ridiculous that within a mile from leaving their dealer, and after they have totally dismantled my truck, I get a Check Engine light, and that is somehow a "Coincidence"???
I don't think so!
I contacted Toyota and they will make a determination within two days if my appeal will be accepted.
Either way, I will not return my truck for them to replace the Evap canister...they say they will however be responsible, and fix the leaking front axle seal that I have also pointed out to them.

After Toyota did not respond back in two days as they said, I called them back.
They are leaving the decision to the dealer about whether they are responsible for the condition of my evap canister replacement.
That figures.
I am beginning to see how this frame replacement campaign is a money grab for the dealer.
I have already paid for other work that they recommended to the tune of $900.00...that is money they can grab from unsuspecting Tacoma owners who comply with Toyota's covered repair.
I had NO ISSUES with my emission system previous to them dismantling and rebuilding my truck, but now they want me to accept that the canister was defective BEFORE I brought them my truck for the frame replacement, and that is absolutely not the case.
They will pay for the inexpensive axle seal, but not the evap canister.
The person at the Toyota Experience recommended I get a lawyer!
WTF!!!

 

[RTFM]

I have a 1986 Toyota 4x4 and I cannot release the spare tire under the bed because it is rusted and seized up. I have sprayed a whole can of PB Blaster on it with no success. Any ideas of how to free that rusted area up.

You might have better luck in the 1986 forum. But on my 2006 truck, its simply a cable wrapped around a shaft. If you can't turn the shaft at all, try pulling down on the spare tire while someone else tries to turn the shaft. The '86 guys should now which way it turns, etc. or if its different.

 

[eherlihy]

4-19-18
It is now mid-April, and no word from the dealer on the availability of the CRC. Today I called Toyota's Customer Experience Center at 888-270-9371. I spoke with the CEC representative and inquired as to "what's up with the 5-month delay?" She called the dealer for me and was unable to get through to anyone who could give her the status of the availability of the CRC.

Again, CRC is the product which Toyota has agreed to apply to the ENTIRE frame of 2nd generation Tacomas in rust-belt states (I am in MA) that do not have a perforation of the frame which would entitle them to frame replacement. Application of the CRC REQUIRES 4+ hours, and the vehicle has to remain at the dealer overnight to allow the substance to "cure."

... The dealer called me back and told me that I could drop my truck off immediately!

Now I have a dirty Kia Soul to drive for a week.

Update on 5-27-18: I am heading to Europe for 2 weeks, and have heard nothing from the dealer. I called them to let them know that unless I have the truck back on Memorial Day, they're going to have to keep it, and pay for my rental (Ram 1500 4x4 Quad cab - it's getting 24 MPG!), until mid-June. The service manager said OK... :|

 

[eherlihy]

...And I'm back from Europe. I contacted the dealer today and have been told that there are now 5 Tacomas ahead of me. Looks like I'll have the RAM for another two weeks - at least.

 

[sharkinstx]

...And I'm back from Europe. I contacted the dealer today and have been told that there are now 5 Tacomas ahead of me. Looks like I'll have the RAM for another two weeks - at least.

I had a RAM 1500 to drive for a bout 10 days, while hail damage was being repaired on my Tacoma (all PDR work) A 4x2 Big Horn Edition, 5.7l Hemi, UConnect 8.4, front and rear parking sensors, remote start, etc. A big honkin' truck, and the technology goodies were nice, but I wasn't impressed by the upholstery material. The coolest thing was the UConnect 8.4, and being able to configure stuff like the door locking and lots of other things through the touch screen. I was getting 13-15 mpg around town.

 

[eherlihy]

I got a call from the dealer's service department last night. It seems that they have finished my truck! How they managed to complete 5 trucks in 3 days I'm not sure... I plan to take it for a short test drive before I turn in the RAM. During the test drive, I can only assess the alignment and braking. Is there anything that I should look for in particular?

 

[eherlihy]

So I picked it up, and it seems fine! I'm going to miss the RAM's 24MPG, and my truck seems TINY, but I'm glad to have it back.

[EDIT] So I get the truck home and check the spare tire. I prefer to have the spare tire facing down so that I can inflate and check the tire pressure without dropping the tire. I noticed that the spare was stored in the opposite direction, so I went to change it. I noticed that the spare tire lock, which was included with the truck when I purchased the vehicle ($64) was not replaced. This is not an issue for me, as I had intended to remove it, but it may be an issue for some people.

More concerning is the fact that EVERY wiring harness clip on the right side and rear of the truck was either cut off or broken. By my count that was 14 clips, and the wiring harness was left dangling, or supported only where it went through an opening in the frame. I install and repair marine electrical systems, so I used my supply of zip-ties to remedy the problem. If this harness remained unsupported the truck would likely develop electrical problems over time.

Let this be a lesson for you guys that have this done. Surprise your service manager and crawl under the truck and check the wiring harness on both sides.

 

[eherlihy]

I would post pics of NEW frame, but TN does not seem to support this.

 

[sharkinstx]

So I picked it up, and it seems fine! I'm going to miss the RAM's 24MPG, and my truck seems TINY, but I'm glad to have it back.

[EDIT] So I get the truck home and check the spare tire. I prefer to have the spare tire facing down so that I can inflate and check the tire pressure without dropping the tire. I noticed that the spare was stored in the opposite direction, so I went to change it. I noticed that the spare tire lock, which was included with the truck when I purchased the vehicle ($64) was not replaced. This is not an issue for me, as I had intended to remove it, but it may be an issue for some people.

More concerning is the fact that EVERY wiring harness clip on the right side and rear of the truck was either cut off or broken. By my count that was 14 clips, and the wiring harness was left dangling, or supported only where it went through an opening in the frame. I install and repair marine electrical systems, so I used my supply of zip-ties to remedy the problem. If this harness remained unsupported the truck would likely develop electrical problems over time.

Let this be a lesson for you guys that have this done. Surprise your service manager and crawl under the truck and check the wiring harness on both sides.

Were those clips part of the connectors, or separate? With heat and age, some plastics become hard and brittle. Recently I had to replace one of the ignition coils on my wife's '08 Sienna, and when I pushed on the latch on the electrical connector to release it, it broke. I had to take two small zip ties and hook them together to one long tie, and wrap it around the connector and the coil, to keep the connector in place.

 

[05Moose]

I would post pics of NEW frame, but TN does not seem to support this.

The drag n drop for pics is right below the reply box...from a computer anyway. From a phone, TapaTalk is still best.

 

[Old Mechanic]

After Toyota did not respond back in two days as they said, I called them back.
They are leaving the decision to the dealer about whether they are responsible for the condition of my evap canister replacement.
That figures.
I am beginning to see how this frame replacement campaign is a money grab for the dealer.
I have already paid for other work that they recommended to the tune of $900.00...that is money they can grab from unsuspecting Tacoma owners who comply with Toyota's covered repair.
I had NO ISSUES with my emission system previous to them dismantling and rebuilding my truck, but now they want me to accept that the canister was defective BEFORE I brought them my truck for the frame replacement, and that is absolutely not the case.
They will pay for the inexpensive axle seal, but not the evap canister.
The person at the Toyota Experience recommended I get a lawyer!
WTF!!!

No dealership or tech working there wants t touch a frame replacement warranty repair, for many reasons.

1. Toyota doesn't pay squat for the labor.

2 The parts department doesn't make squat on the parts.

3 All the issues with broken stuff connected or requiring removal in the process of replacing the frame that are absolutely going to happen when you touch that stuff. a lot of the clips are just not designed to be removed, just assembled in the most rapid way possible with no consideration to how much of a pain in the ass they are to remove. I know this from first hand experience and I'm not trying to argue with you just a different perspective. Warranty repairs are failures on the part of the manufacturer and the dealership controls no part of the process of compensation. They can either do the work or loose their franchise and they loose their ass on every warranty job.

 

[eherlihy]

Were those clips part of the connectors, or separate? With heat and age, some plastics become hard and brittle. Recently I had to replace one of the ignition coils on my wife's '08 Sienna, and when I pushed on the latch on the electrical connector to release it, it broke. I had to take two small zip ties and hook them together to one long tie, and wrap it around the connector and the coil, to keep the connector in place.

Every one of those clips was either cut with dikes or pulled off the frame (breaking the locking tabs) by the monkey wielding the wrench. The clips were not part of any connectors, they are held onto the wire loom with electrical tape.

I don't think that the dealership loses money on frame replacements, or they wouldn't do them. I believe that they get paid what Toyota pays them, which is nowhere near the customer "shop rate." I believe that the guys doing the work get paid a per-unit-completed rate, so they try to get these jobs done as fast as possible. The result of the by-the-job labor rate is they rip stuff off, rather than exercise the care that an owner would.

Oh, drag & drop from my pc does not work. The pic seems to upload, then disappears, and I get an error message. I have tried reducing the size of the file, but the error persists. I have the pics that I tried to post, so sharing them does not help me. I participate in other forums that are hosted by Verticalscope, and drag & drop works on these other forums, just not here.

 

[eherlihy]

Does anyone have, or can anyone point me to where I could get the part number for the clips that hold the wiring harness that runs along the frame? I've poked through all of the Rock Auto diagrams, and Amazon and Ebay without success.

My concern is that the zip-ties that I have used are holding the harness against the frame itself. While this is better than having the harness flapping in the breeze (as the "professionals" had done), there is still likely chafe between the wire loom and the frame. Eventually, the loom will wear through, and it will be wire chafing against the frame.

Thanks in advance!

 

[BamZipPow]

You could give www.toyodiy.com a visit and see if the clips are listed.

Which Tacoma do you have?

 

[eherlihy]

You could give www.toyodiy.com a visit and see if the clips are listed.

Which Tacoma do you have?

09' TRD Offroad Access Cab w/factory towing package.

I've been dredging the print sets that this references, and googling for hours. The best reference that I've found is this: http://japancars.ru/index.php?route...route=catalog/toyota&mdf_id=220120&area=US&cat=674470&pn=9046706169&blk_id=8202 (it's a Russian domain - go figure... :/ )

But I still can't find it. The clips snap into holes punched into the frame, and the clips extend perpendicular to the frame for about 2 inches. The wiring harness on the passenger side is then taped to these clips. The beauty is that the harness is held alongside the frame, but does not touch it.

 

[Old Mechanic]

Look at aftermarket. The clips are part of a new wiring harness assembly and only available if you buy a complete harness. If it was me I would make some. Take a wire tie and use some of it for an anchor and the rest for tying the harness to the anchor. Even after 50 years working on cars, while stripping down my "parts department" Echo parts car, the clips you are looking for are still basically impossible to remove damage free.

https://www.wurthusa.com/Auto-Body-Clips-&-Fasteners/Wiring-Harness/c/1377

Took a whole 2 minutes, we used to carry this stuff in our shop supplies.

 

[BamZipPow]

Kinda like these (GM ones)?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/160971688389

 

[eherlihy]

aaaRRGH!:headbang:

So I got my truck back with a new frame at 78.8K miles. I already mentioned that the wiring harness clips were all cut off, and the harness was simply left hanging. I do the 80K oil change and tire rotation at 80K and discover that BOTH front axle grease caps were removed by a monkey with a screwdriver and sledgehammer (dented to shit!) and NEITHER of the front brake bleeder screw caps were replaced.

NEVER LET THE DEALER'S SERVICE DEPARTMENT TOUCH YOUR VEHICLE!!!

 

[eherlihy]

So I spoke with the dealer's service manager. I requested that they provide me with new front hub caps and bleeder screw caps, $40 worth of parts. He stated that it basically boils down to this: "We are not responsible. This was a warranty repair, and we are not accepting responsibility for anything that our service techs do during a warranty repair."

I would not advise purchasing a Toyota or having ANY service performed by the Toyota dealer in Norwood, MA.