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Torque For Wheel Nuts

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#1 ·
I replaced my tires yesterday. I asked the guy from the tire shop how much torque that he put on the wheel nuts before I left the shop. He told me that he put 100 lb-ft to each wheel nut. I argued with him that the owner's manual specified each wheel nut should be 78 lb-ft. He told me that 78 lb-ft would be too weak and he suggested to put 100 instead.

So, should I loosen all the nuts and re-torque back to 78 lb-ft or is he correct?

My car came with the 18" wheels.
 
#7 ·
I've definitely torqued mine to 90 ft-lbs. The studs can definitely handle 100, remember that lots of shops put them on with impacts all day long and rarely strip or break a stud (though they shouldn't ever without a torque limiting extension, then a torque wrench after) and people don't use a torque wrench when they use the included tools to install a spare.
It's removing seized nuts and installing them with an impact wrench with nothing to limit torque that does them in most of the time.
 
#10 · (Edited)
Tire Discounters is just about the only tire shop that consistently and fairly accurately uses a torque wrench for the final torque. They also reference a chart on the wall for each make/model.

Nearly all Toyota cars and small/mid size SUVs are 76 ft lbs. The trucks are usually 84.

And yes....I generally check after tire work.
Around Me I've had both Discount Tire and Costco install/patch/balance wheels for me. my discount tire threaded by hand, ran them down with torque sticks, then dropped the car and finished with a click style torque wrench.
The Costco uses a special extended anvil Ingersoll Rand impact that is torque limited in forward but full beans in reverse, then again they finish it with the click style. torque wrench once the car is on the ground. I've actually got a few of the worn out impacts a buddy who worked at the tire center grabbed for me (they only needed a cleaning and re-greasing the hammer assembly) and they just use a piece of fabric material over the forward air ports and that's enough to limit to about 75 ft-lbs. according to my friends, only certain employees were allowed to do the final torque because they take that liability seriously.

I once took a wheel to a used tire shop to have them put on a tire and I installed it myself at home. They used normal impacts with no torque stick, and no torque wrench. I sent my brother there and they ended up replacing three studs on the shop's dime after they broke three studs.
at $40-$60 each for name brand tires that have most of their life left, I'll definitely return for cars that don't deserve brand new tires, but I'll be bringing them wheels off the car, or giving them the socket on a torque stick and torqueing them myself.
 
#12 ·
My cars manual calls for 76 lbs, I have a torque wrench and that is what I torque it to, plus maybe just a couple lbs. Over-torquing can cause your brake rotor to warp, damaging both it and can lead to brake damage, vibrations etc. in some cases you can actually bend and break the lugs, I used to torque the hell out of the lugs on my old trucks, they could take it and not have issues, but these cars are built much more delicate, I have broken a few lugs on my lexus once during a roadside flat replacement, did not think I was over torquing at all but damaged 3 of the lugs. IF it was my car I would just back them off and retorque to spec.
 
#14 ·
Oh, if you have a torque wrench, Before you remove the lug nuts, start your wrench below 100lbs and try tightening a few of the lugs, turn the torque up little by little until you no longer get a click without movement, till you get the nut to actually budge, then you will have an idea how tight they torqued them down to, he told you 100lbs, but maybe it was less or maybe it was much more.
 
#15 ·
It is strange why they torqued the wheel nuts so high. This tire shop has a very high positive google review and I went to this shop more than 10 years. They deal with cars everyday and they should know the torque more than me.

Anyway, if I am going to re-torque the wheel nuts this weekend. I just wish nothing will be damaged.
 
#32 ·
100 ft-lb isn’t going to hurt your wheel I would just leave it unless you have not her better to do. I once had a shop tighten my Camry wheels so tight my impact wouldn’t take them off, wasn‘t a high end impact but still puts out over 150+ lbs of torque. Had to use a cross bar with all my weight and strength pushing down and pulling up. Didn’t affect my rotors or rims at all. The biggest issue would be if you got a flat out on the road and all you have is your factory lug wrench to get the lugs off.
 
#33 ·
For the wheel, although it may compress the area around the hole if wheels are aluminum (steel nuts/washer against aluminum wheel), it is likely to be ok-ish if over torqued...

I would stick to the spec, and certainly wouldn't go double the spec to 150 ft-lbs. I've seen quite a few of these examples. Although studs are relatively easy to replace, I wouldn't want them to break and have loose wheels.

Over torque causes necking and eventually fracture:

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#34 ·
It is going to remove a lot of stuff from the brake in order to access and replace these wheel studs. It is so scary to touch these EPB nowadays.

My old 2003 Matrix was so easy to replace these wheel studs. I broke 2 of them, all I had to do was removing the caliper and rotor and knock the broken stud out with a hammer.