What I dont understand is how someone could buy a fussion. They want an overpriced american car made of recycled beer cans?? Or do they just like the Aston Martin rip off grill? :lol:

 

there are so many camry haters because honda has forever been doing the dbl wishbone in their cars and everybody thinks that's the cats meow for street driving and performance(it is better than mac strut). BUT, since honda quit doing the dbl wishbone in the accord a long time ago, and stopped with the civic in 12 i believe, they lost their only advantage. unfortunately, honda is the camry's only real competition, and all the nutbaggers still rag on toyota, even though their cars are less advanced than ours(exception being new accord). the accord and the camry, however, are essentially the same cars. the biggest difference is honda was a long time ago smart enough to change up the dsign every few years to keep things fresh with new buyers. toyota abandoned that idea in favor of conservatism in design to keep current owners happy.

the fusion, taurus, impala, malibu, etc etc are all absolute junk that only get good reviews from the rags that ford and chevy sponsor. TTAC being one of those rags who gets more domestic money than import money.

TTAC had some famous "GM death watches". Funny how some of you guys felt so butt hurt. TTAC actually had some well written articles on the LFA, but then most Toyota owners don't seem to be interested in any other cars besides the ones they own.

 

there are so many camry haters because honda has forever been doing the dbl wishbone in their cars and everybody thinks that's the cats meow for street driving and performance(it is better than mac strut). BUT, since honda quit doing the dbl wishbone in the accord a long time ago, and stopped with the civic in 12 i believe, they lost their only advantage. unfortunately, honda is the camry's only real competition, and all the nutbaggers still rag on toyota, even though their cars are less advanced than ours(exception being new accord). the accord and the camry, however, are essentially the same cars. the biggest difference is honda was a long time ago smart enough to change up the dsign every few years to keep things fresh with new buyers. toyota abandoned that idea in favor of conservatism in design to keep current owners happy.

the fusion, taurus, impala, malibu, etc etc are all absolute junk that only get good reviews from the rags that ford and chevy sponsor. TTAC being one of those rags who gets more domestic money than import money.

 

I'm not a Toyota basher, but one who will tell what I honestly feel. I own a 2010 venza with the premium package (leather, etc) and I would be the first to tell you the interior is downright cheap - econobox cheap. Aside from that, we love the car. Probably one of the best, if not the best, 6 cyl on the market. We are shopping for a new car and the camry's failure on the partial offset crash test (25 percent of all head on collision deaths are partial offset) ruled out the camry for 2013. We are waiting to see what the 2014 crash test results are. With that said, in our opinion, the camry had the cheapest interior of all the midsize cars we looked at. Hard shiny plastic! We were shopping the 6 cyl xle market and felt the interior was just downright cheap. I totally agree with the Toyota bashers on their interior comments. If they fix the partial offset crash test (unlike they did with the RAV4) the camry would be our next car purchase. We (in our 50s) are looking for reliable, durable transportation. We don't "love the looks of a car" and do not become emotionally attached to them. We like the look of the camry, though. Some would say we are appliance hunting. Fine. But we know what we want. If the 2014 passes the partial offset crash test we will own 2 Toyotas. If not, we'll own a venza and most likely an accord, but my wife has been checking out the infinity.

 

in our opinion, the camry had the cheapest interior of all the midsize cars we looked at. Hard shiny plastic!

which model did you look at (LE, SE, XLE)? where exactly are the "hard shiny plastic?" i'm an SE owner and absolutely love the interior.

 

It's been a couple months since I looked at the XLE, but IIRC it's not a whole lot different than the venza - mostly hard plastic. Door panels, dash, glove box, maybe center console, and the dash itself was nothing to write home about. I have a 13 year old Honda LX that has much higher quality materials - all soft touch - than a $31k camry I was looking at. Toyota leadership itself made the statement "it's the interiors, we get it".

 

LOL, some of you Camry guys got butthurt. Fine, it's an "opinion" and not fact, if you read it closely. I'm surprised you guys took so long to find it (TTAC and Toyotanation are owned by the same company). It's a two way street. That's fine if you don't like the Fusion or the rest of the Camry competition. The fact is that the others are closing in- numbers don't lie. The Civic is selling better than the Corolla, but that doesn't even bother me as a Corolla owner.

What you may not like about the competition, is probably what others want. Different cars for different folks.

 

I looked at a friends accord last night. Toyota better get on the ball, I've never really been impressed by the Camry gauge cluster. For me it was always ok, I wish it had an analog temp and oil gauge, and the mpg gauge is just silly in my opinion. Too much of a gimmick if you ask me.

The accords cluster is really nice, the layout is sweet. It doesn't have an oil gauge which it should, but its still a nicer layout over all. Very attractive, functional, and modern.

As far as civics go, I drove a corolla. I'd buy a civic on looks alone compared to the corolla so Toyota better get on the stick there too, Honda's coming and it's been happening for a while. They aren't exactly ninjas in the night.

 

Well, TTAC is not exactly the authority in automotive reporting.

 

well obviously, its the Interwebz. If you want to be an authority, you have to have more trolls like that of Jalopnik and Autoblog. :rofl:

 

Why didn't they write this article when the current Camry first came out? :naughty:

 

because there was no new Fusion, no Accord, and no need for incentives to sell them :naughty:

 

I just skimmed through the article and didn't read the comments.

I actually kind of like TTAC and have been reading their articles on and off to get other perspectives of cars and things. Although I mainly read their reviews and the comments to the reviews and not things like this which sounds kind of an editorial. For a lot of other publications you know they'll just give great reviews to the newest car out there.

I think some of the things mentioned in this article are valid points.
The way I read the article, I read it as them saying that the competitors are starting to improve and that Toyota had better try to make sure to keep up with them and can't get by on it's reputation alone anymore. I think this is a valid point.

Towards the middle it does sound like they're going overboard in attacking the Camry and I could see where your point of view of the article came from. But towards the end they're going back to the unbiased review.

In their other reviews and articles they said great things about the current generation's Camry SE.

Before reading the article I was going to say that I try to take things that I read online with a grain of salt. You don't know if some of the really glowing reviews/comments are by people that work at Toyota somewhere and the opposite are the ones from people that might be working for their competitors.

 

in our opinion, the camry had the cheapest interior of all the midsize cars we looked at. Hard shiny plastic!

did you see accord, fusion, sonata?
yep, right, abundance of premium/plush looking/feeling plastic everywhere...
accord got nice cluster, rest of the interior is right where it should be: cheap/affordable (less or more) level.
did you see center tunnel cover? door panels? rear deck? seats?
only passat's interior looks and feels above camry and accord.

 

^^ totally agree with you. I read the comments in that article and most of them say that the interior and exterior design of the 7th gen are boring. I love the interior of the camry. it may not have the other cars' fancy look but I like it simple but functional.

 

boring is relative term.
my wife is 35 and wants new car. (what a surprise )
she is fine with camry, she likes interior and exterior, she also like new mazda 6 (but we never drove it), but according to her fusion is "fat and bulky" and sonata is "too flashy" and cheap.
when we were test driving accord for the second time manager said that we are too young for a camry and my wife would look younger and sportier in the accord. she replied that accord makes her feel like 50 and she see nothing "young" about accord.

 

she replied that accord makes her feel like 50 and she see nothing "young" about accord.

that's funny LOL. I came from the Honda family (accord, odyssey, crv, acura TL) before I switched to camry. I thought i'm the only who feels like the accord looks a little bit for the older generation (not that i'm young LOL). side by side with the SE, I think camry is more "younger." have you seen the camry commercial where the neighbor got the SE and the kid says to his dad "why can't we have a cool car like that" (something like this) and they have the accord LOL.

 

"Dated" or not, the Camry/Civic/Corolla/Accord still sell like crazy.

It's great to see real competition in the marketplace now though after the lull in redesigning cars in the 90's-early 2000's. It means every automaker's cars get better and better (and hopefully, we're now demanding more than cheaper and cheaper interiors).

 

Just read the article. Wow who pissed in their cheerios? I disagree with most of it, but my opinion and $2 will get you a $2 cup of coffee.

Someone commented "The #1 sold car to consumers for the past 20 years has been the Accord." ???????? Do they really think that we will read that and think it is true?

Can someone please post the top selling cars by year and manufacturer?

 

Someone commented "The #1 sold car to consumers for the past 20 years has been the Accord." ???????? Do they really think that we will read that and think it is true? QUOTE]

The statement may actually be true as written. Historically, Toyota has sold 15-20 percent of their camrys to fleets while Honda has historically been about 1 percent. So if the statement is referring to a consumer as a "non-fleet" sale - i.e. to an individual and not a company - it is quite likely true. IDK the numbers this year, but it would probably true for this year too.

 

At $2,750 per unit, Camry incentives are up by 38 percent, while the Accord’s $1400 incentive is down by 40 percent. The new model changeover explains the big drop in Accord spending, but the Camry’s incentives (like 0 percent financing for 60 months) is part of a broader plan that includes a big fleet sales program (current making up 20 percent of sales, and expected to level off to 15 percent, versus the Accord’s 1 percent figure) to help move metal. Toyota is gunning for 400,000 units in 2013 if necessary, a figure that may be hard to match production wise for other auto makers. Then again, one has to wonder how profitable the Camry will end up being when there’s such a relentless drive for volume at all costs.

I think camry is currently at 13 percent and Honda at 1.2 percent. Perhaps when you look at Toyota vs. Honda the numbers may be a little different, but the article was discussing camry and accord. http://beforeitsnews.com/motor-junk...sales-war-toyota-wants-to-retain-camry-lead-by-any-means-necessary-2471550.html

There are many articles discussing what Toyota is doing to maintain it's #1 selling car status and they all talk about high fleet sales.

 

Toyota's fleet sale numbers are probably inflated by their truck sales more so than rental car Camrys. Use my employer as an example. Previously, we only bought Ford trucks and vans. But, since the Ford Ranger was discontinued, we bought a half dozen Tacomas. Toyota gave us such a great fleet deal, we added five Tundras to the order. This allowed us to retire an equal number of aging 1991 F-150s that were deemed beyond economical repair. Our competition who always bought Chevy Vans, lately has been sporting several base Siennas.

Just an example of how truck fleet sales, dominated by domestic manufactures have shifted to Toyota due to their extensive product line. Honda gets a lot less fleet sales because of their lack of full sized four wheel drive pickup trucks. Fleet owners like a common fleet in order to reduce maintenance and operational costs.

 

I see more and more Camrys driven around here than anything else. Even LEs are selling like hot cakes. So apparently the new design is working quite well in Chicagoland and Mikwaukee area markets.

As for the butt remark- my butt doesn't hurt. In fact, another Toyota division product makes my butt hurt. Boys and girls sit on Toyota forklift for 7 hours straight: that will make the bum numb. Then Slide into driver's seat of the Camry: its like sitting on a cloud! LOL

 

TTAC posted fleet sales for July: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...own-asians-up/

Autonews.com posted YTD: http://www.autonews.com/assets/PDF/CA8959579.PDF

fleet sales:
ford 22%
GM 19%
toyota 5%

For the first 7 months of 2013, Toyota was down 6% on fleet sales and up 10% on retail deliveries.

nothing to add...
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Plenty to add

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130701/RETAIL01/307019977#
Basically, they fleeted less of everything else, but Corollas and Camrys still remain the fleet fodder:

First in sales and spiffs
Incentive spending for the Toyota Camry was higher in May than for the car's top competitors.

Incentive spending
Per unit Chg. vs. 2012
Toyota Camry $2,750 38%
Nissan Altima $2,400 –20%
Ford Fusion $2,300 –35%
Honda Accord $1,400 –40%
Source: TrueCar

Look, all it means is that whoever buys a Camry should be getting some very massive good deals.