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Decision Decision: v6 vs I4

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#1 ·
Hi everyone,

I am getting pretty close in purchasing a camry. I was initially looking for a SE v6. but after thinking about it, i have decided to ask the board on what their views are.

If I get the SE I4 with 179hp, is it adequate? I plan to drive this car for the next 6-8 years, so I would want power down the road.

the v6 sounds awesome and with 268hp, it seems like a monster.

I've checked fueleconomy.gov on each mpg, and it seems that they do not differ that much 26 combined for the I4 and 23 for the v6.

I live in Los Angeles so traffic is a pain. As of now (I might switch to a new job in Oct), I commute approx. 50 miles a day, including misc. errands. If i switch to my new job in Oct, i will be commuting 20 miles a day.

What would be a better choice for me? Thank you in advance
 
#3 ·
268hp is not.... I repeat... it is NOT a monster.

if U do a lot of city driving, get I4. It'll save you on the gas mileage.

if U do more highway, V6. U'll need the power for pickup to merge onto the highway from some stupidly design merge if there is a merge on at all. (Like the one I have to use right now, there is no merge, you are expect to do a zero to 55 in 2 feet and instantly get on the highway where ppl do 70mph)
 
#6 ·
V6.... both of mine (02 SE and 2010 XLE) are V6's and can get 35+mpg average hwy. and 25-27mpg avg city. And my 02 has over 130k miles and still gets that mileage.

It really all depends on your driving styles and habits when it comes to how good your gas mileage is.

I'd personally go V6 as the I4 seems gutless when you hammer down
 
#11 · (Edited)
Get the V6 for sure

V6.... both of mine (02 SE and 2010 XLE) are V6's and can get 35+mpg average hwy. and 25-27mpg avg city. And my 02 has over 130k miles and still gets that mileage.

It really all depends on your driving styles and habits when it comes to how good your gas mileage is.

I'd personally go V6 as the I4 seems gutless when you hammer down
This same issue came up in the Camry vs Sonata thread in this forum and here is a link to my post #38 which sums it up pretty good:

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3619597#post3619597

Like Punks_Not_Dead, I get the same fantastic gas mileage ........ much better than most I-4's, especially on the highway.

Here is the relevant part of what I said in the Sonata debate I provided a link to:

The reality is, the 3.5L 2GR-FE V6 gets about the same mileage in city driving as the I4 but MUCH better on the highway. My first highway round trip was 700 miles from Kansas City to Cedar Rapids IA - but since the car was new I kept it under 70 and got 36mpg. When I took the car in for its first oil change, I told the service writer "you won't believe this, but this car gets 36 mpg highway." to which she responded ..... "oh I hear that all the time ... just this morning someone brought their Avalon in (same drive train) and said they got 33 mpg driving 75-80 between Kansas City and St. Louis." [Consumer Reports magazine got 34 mpg highway on road test of 2011 Avalon.] The V6 Camry has about 100 more horsepower than an I-4 and drives every bit as smooth and quiet and more powerful than my prior favorite new car .... a Lexus LS400. Pretty much zero road or wind noise at even the well over 100 mph speeds I was driving when I moved from Kansas to Florida. I was given a 2009 I4 camry rental when someone rear ended me in a major Ice Storm in Kansas City; parts were on back order so I put 2000 miles on it and got about 20% worse gas mileage than my V6 ...... and the car only had 7k miles when I got it and there was an oil change sticker 5w20 oil at 5300 miles so poor maintenance was not the problem there. And gosh ....... ZERO power to pass a car on the highway.

Not to long ago I was in the fitness center parking lot and a guy got out of a really sharp looking 2011 SE with dual exhausts. Assuming it had a V6, I said "hey, nice car there .......... you gotta love it!" ....... to which he responded "it's a piece of s%#t" ... it doesn't have enough power to pass on the highway or make it up a hill. I told him ...... wow .... my V6 has more power I can ever need ..... to which he responded "it's the 4 cyl" As it turns out, they started putting dual exhausts on the 4 banger SE in 2010 which is probably why it's rated at 10 more horsepower than the LE or XLE 2.5L I4.
 
#13 ·
Volvo 5 cyl - assume you are kidding



I'll be glad to answer:

For the same price as a loaded XLE V6, he gets the following:

Less horsepower from the turbo 4cyl

More time in the shop while under warranty

More time and money on repairs afterwards

Worse mpg

Comparing private party valuues of 2006 S60 vs XLE - about $5,000 more depreciation.

Plus, unless he is a left wing liberal professor at Harvard, he will have to endure his co-workers laughing at him behind his back !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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#12 ·
yup, 2010+ SEs have dual exhaust. anything before had single.

i think depending on how you drive, the I4 might deliver same MPG as v6 or worst. if you to merge on freeway then you step on gas more = lower mpg. also the I4 will work harder than the v6 in similar conditions.

my honda fit only gets 32 on average...the rpm is at 4000 when im at 75mph.
 
#23 ·
It depends on the terrain too. Here, driving on I-90 from Seattle, passing through Stevens Pass, and keeping the car at 75 mph, I will be surprised if you can get 30 mpg. :)
 
#28 ·
hi deuce,
I drive 115 miles total a day. Mostly Highway. I use the garmin gps speedometer and set my cruise control at 63 mph in the morning. 64-65 mph, when I go back home..

33 psi ( check with my craftsman digital guage).
chevron supreme 5w30
Fuel: chevrone octane 87.
bridgestone turanza serenity h/v. Michelin primacy mxv 4 is good too.

I usually use cruise control whenever I can. I am easy on the gas pedal and try not to use brake.

Lately there are alot of road construction and I am hitting only 31-32 mpg.

good luck.
 
#29 ·
I usually get 31-32 hwy mpg with ac and 33-34 with out. So I have to concur v6 similar mpg or better depending on driving style. And really at most to give up 1-2 mpg you gain a lot.
 
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#31 ·
i will definitely let you guys know what i decide. I went to look at a 2009 CPO today..and the paint was in sub-par condition that I've decided to pass on it. I also realize, I do not want black exterior anymore.

White
Silver
Blue
Dark Grey

are the way to go.
 
#32 · (Edited)
To OP: nice color choices - some buying tips


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asainmoomoo: I am phobic about my cars and a toyota/lexus fan. Here is what I have gleaned from 38K miles and 40 months of ownership of an 09LEV6.

Color: I too was going with the black and as I was signing the papers 04/08, I saw an Avalon on the showroom floor with the dark grey metallic and I said, "too bad they don't make the Camry in that color" - to which the salesman responded .... "oh yes, they do." Since they had a V6 in stock, I switched my order to the grey. Three yrs 4 months later, the car shines like it is brand new. If I were in your position, I would delete the white as a color choice, the "new car" shine does not seem to last very long.

Price if you buy new: Although the dealer invoice will show a $2,000+ gap in pricing, when I bought mine, gas had just hit $4 a gallon so nobody was buying the V6's. There were no dealer incentives on the I4 but there was a $1,000 incentive on the V6. In addition, the dealer was way overstocked on V6's and wanted to dump them as fast as possible. My actual price differential was $400. Now that gas has hit $4, you should be able to find a good deal. I was paying cash, had no trade in and told them "you've got one bite at the apple .... here is my offer .... take it or leave it." they took it, I cut them a check and drove it off the lot [with 4 miles on it and a full tank of gas] within an hour. Now that gas is $4 a gallon again, maybe you can get a great deal too.

Tires: Make sure your new car does NOT have Bridgestone Turanza EL400s. Standard in 09 was either Michelins with 440 treadwear ratings or Bridgestone with 260 treadwear rating. Although the Michelins are good for about 40K miles, my Bridgestone fronts wore down almost to treadwear indicators in 8000 miles and internet search will show all the complaints. Replaced with Michelin Primacy MXV4's with 60K mile warranty and 660 treadwear rating - now with almost 30K miles on them, they don't even look half worn.

VVT-i oil line: If you buy used, do not touch any V6 manufactured with a build date on the door jam prior to 05/08. A faulty rubber exterior oil line can rupture causing the oil to drain from the car with no warning. After replacing thousands of engines under warranty, toyota finally recalled over 1.5 million 2GR-FE equiped vehicles. Problem: The manufacturing fix was to replace the rubber hose with an all metal oil line. The recall fix is a bandaid that calls for replacement of one rubber hose with another rather and the fix is only temporary. The correct fix is a labor intensive replacement of rubber hose with metal all metal oil line. My build date is 02/08 so I will have to deal with this issue after the warranty is up. http://sites.google.com/site/toyotav6oillinescandal/

Gas pedal, ECU reprogram & floormat recalls: If you buy used, make sure they didn't do a clusterf%$# on the floorboard. I declined all safety recalls on mine. The cures were worse than the disease.

I4 engine choices: You probably know this but, if you get an I4, don't get the 2.4L found in pre 2010 models. It is replete with oil burning and other problems that you can find in this forum and it's 21 less horsepower than the I4 dual exhaust 2010 & 2011 SE.

Appearance LE vs SE: No question the SE is normally better looking. If you can deal with the boring interior, however, you can sure make an LE V6 look sweet. The dual exhausts already distinguish the car from the rear. I replaced my 16" tires & wheels at 8.5K miles with 17" Avalon Limted 9 spoke wheels and 215/70/55 tires .... same stats as the SE. I had buyers remorse for not getting an SE after spending $1,300 (net of selling the OEM tires on craigslist) for new tires and wheels. I got brand new OEM wheels still in the box for half what the dealer reatil price. However, once I saw how great it looked and started getting all kinds of compliments on the car's appearance ... if I had it to do over, I would change nothing. The only reason I did not add tint was because I planned to keep the car over ten years ...... tint ususally only stays good for 6 or 7.

Handling LE vs SE: Traction and stability control became standard on LE 2010. Mine has neither. SE clearly has a sportier suspension, but when I replaced my tires and wheels with SE equivalent, handling and traction significantly increased.

Pictures:

http://s586.photobucket.com/albums/ss303/Pablo0767/?action=view&current=CamrySideViewDS.jpg

My Photobucket account under Pablo0767 has a pic of my car right after new tires and wheels installed ...... it still looks just as shiney new now. If you want two more including a rear view, PM me and I'll send two more pics. Photobucket account is soley for the camry and also shows the carnage left on the safety recalls of the 09 I4 I rented while my car was in the bodyshop after getting rear ended in an ice storm. It also shows an early recall letter relative to the VVT-i recall metioned above.

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best wishes on your search for the right car at the right price...