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Would you trust a fully autonomous vehicle?

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Question of the Week: Would You Trust a Fully Autonomous Vehicle?

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There are six levels of autonomy (as defined by the Society of Automotive Engineers), starting at Level 0. Right now, Level 2—in the form of advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS), such as Tesla’s Autopilot and GM’s Super Cruise—is the highest level of autonomy available to the public.

However, if Level 5 (full autonomy) were to become available, would you trust a self-driving car to be your chauffeur?
 
#26 ·
That's crazy! :oops:

Not on your life. Or on mine, either. No matter how sophisticated the technology is, computers sometimes crash. Or get hacked.
Those types of problems are certainly a concern! Machines are never failure-proof.

Definitely not.

I read something somewhere that the Tesla self driving is already safer per mile driven than an average human driver. I don't remember the source or specifics, but I could actually believe that. I like to think I'm better than an "average" driver, for starters since I never text and drive or drink and drive - not even after 1 drink, just not worth it to me (since I don't drink much anyway it's not a big deal lol).

If they ever want this tech to be accepted, all liability for accidents will have to fall on the manufacturer.

I see even basic systems which manipulate my control inputs (that are standard equipment/ mandatory currently) as a liability to me, and avoid them like the plague.
The issue of liability is a huge one!

Per an Jeremy Clarkson quote:
  • Take that AI car to Bolivia's death road and decide if you don't want a driver.
  • Would you board a plane with no pilot?
You can never go wrong with a Top Gear quote (y):LOL:

No. Actually hell no.
I thought that was what the bus was for (me not wanting to drive). I have to agree with others on here, that computers crash, can be hacked, and generally aren't safe. Just look at GPS systems that can't find an address, or take you down a fire trail in winter, or force you to drive into a lake. That's what these driverless systems are based on. Not very reliable.
You never know what the future holds, but the current technology definitely isn't up to the task of providing unsupervised, self-driving capability under all conditions.

Would you buy a car which you drove out to the highway, set it on autopilot, and then took back control at the exit closest to your destination? Because that's how most commercial airlines fly these days. And more and more trains these days are operating driverless and guardless too (sometimes with an onboard backup driver, sometimes without), and whilst being on rails does remove some of the risk a fault in the system (either with the automation or the signalling) can still cause a potential catastrophe, yet I'd envisage most patrons couldn't notice the difference (apart from the train reliably stopping at a particular spot on the platform).

As with most technological advances these days, the technology is being developed and introduced before the infrastructure can properly handle it on a full scale. And as usual, there needs to be an agreement amongst manufacturers to work towards a common, standardised set of guidelines for all autonomous vehicles to use so they can integrate efficiently, effectively and safely, otherwise the thing will always remain a potential clusterfuck.
Hundreds of autonomous cars sharing a small patch of road together need to be talking to one another and coordinating their movements, or even platooning together in to car-trains (much like a cycling peloton) - if it was "every car for itself" it would be chaos. And the road needs to be able to support and handle that coordination - advanced lane-markings, wireless transmitting beacons to supplement signs, even built-in routing and navigation guides to reduce the reliance on GPS (especially in cities). And above all that, the main thing that separates cars from planes and trains - the ability to handle a traditional manually-controlled car in the thick of it, doing dumb-people things.
Yes, that's one of the primary hurdles for self-driving cars -- they must be able to navigate all kinds of landscapes and respond to the unforeseeable. Traditional programming will not work under all conditions, so the AI would need to carry out high-level machine learning to make Level 5 autonomy possible.
 
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Definitely not.

I read something somewhere that the Tesla self driving is already safer per mile driven than an average human driver. I don't remember the source or specifics, but I could actually believe that. I like to think I'm better than an "average" driver, for starters since I never text and drive or drink and drive - not even after 1 drink, just not worth it to me (since I don't drink much anyway it's not a big deal lol).

If they ever want this tech to be accepted, all liability for accidents will have to fall on the manufacturer.

I see even basic systems which manipulate my control inputs (that are standard equipment/ mandatory currently) as a liability to me, and avoid them like the plague.
 
#10 ·
  • Would you board a plane with no pilot?
Would you buy a car which you drove out to the highway, set it on autopilot, and then took back control at the exit closest to your destination? Because that's how most commercial airlines fly these days. And more and more trains these days are operating driverless and guardless too (sometimes with an onboard backup driver, sometimes without), and whilst being on rails does remove some of the risk a fault in the system (either with the automation or the signalling) can still cause a potential catastrophe, yet I'd envisage most patrons couldn't notice the difference (apart from the train reliably stopping at a particular spot on the platform).

As with most technological advances these days, the technology is being developed and introduced before the infrastructure can properly handle it on a full scale. And as usual, there needs to be an agreement amongst manufacturers to work towards a common, standardised set of guidelines for all autonomous vehicles to use so they can integrate efficiently, effectively and safely, otherwise the thing will always remain a potential clusterfuck.
Hundreds of autonomous cars sharing a small patch of road together need to be talking to one another and coordinating their movements, or even platooning together in to car-trains (much like a cycling peloton) - if it was "every car for itself" it would be chaos. And the road needs to be able to support and handle that coordination - advanced lane-markings, wireless transmitting beacons to supplement signs, even built-in routing and navigation guides to reduce the reliance on GPS (especially in cities). And above all that, the main thing that separates cars from planes and trains - the ability to handle a traditional manually-controlled car in the thick of it, doing dumb-people things.
 
#8 ·
No. Actually hell no.
I thought that was what the bus was for (me not wanting to drive). I have to agree with others on here, that computers crash, can be hacked, and generally aren't safe. Just look at GPS systems that can't find an address, or take you down a fire trail in winter, or force you to drive into a lake. That's what these driverless systems are based on. Not very reliable.
 
#13 · (Edited)
As I mostly alluded to in my post, the only way I really see widespread use of autonomous road vehicles in the near-future is on highways - as close to a controlled environment you can get on a road. Say that between exits 12 and 37, there are 20 cars close together that don't need to exit the highway - platoon them together, and you no longer have 20 cars, you have 1. When an exit comes up that one of the cars needs to take, it can peel off and the platoon reforms, and the same goes for a new entry. For interstate truckers it has even greater benefits., as they are much more likely to all be travelling on a trunk route for extended distances (also assists with managing fatigue)

For all the highways out there in the world, there will never be a system able to handle the backroads, laneways and goat-tracks in their current states and I would invisage that technology would eventually just cut the Gordian Knot and jump straight to flying cars.
 
#31 ·
For all the highways out there in the world, there will never be a system able to handle the backroads, laneways and goat-tracks in their current states and I would invisage that technology would eventually just cut the Gordian Knot and jump straight to flying cars.
Oh, great! Now I am imagining untold millions of flying cars.... What could possibly go wrong? Better hope AI has become 100% failsafe by that time. :LOL:
 
#33 ·
I'll concede that the technology will likely get us there.... eventually. I doubt that I will live to see it, especially on my 2-lane mountain roads.
Not to mention single lane graveled forest roads.
You'll end up stranded one morning because a snowflake has knocked the side radar impact collision sonar camera whatever sensor out of calibration and the car refuses to drive. l can see the forum posts now: "Car won't turn on and says it must be towed to dealer - please help I'm stuck out of town!!!"
That will be a $1300 repair.
 
#20 ·
yes.
reason... one less thing to worry about :cool:
 
#22 ·
Silent vehicles are a danger to pedestrians that are not aware of their surroundings while walking. ...usually have their eyes buried in the gadget with the ears open for engine exhaust noise
 
#34 ·
lol, that's basically the gist of it for me too!

I would never own a autonomous car, mostly because I actually enjoy driving, though I feel that they have a place. There are too many horrible drivers on the road, of which most probably don't enjoy driving anyway. These people are the perfect candidates for self-driving cars, it's a win-win, the "bad drivers" aren't driving around, and the people that don't want to drive (hopefully the "bad drivers") don't have too.
 
#32 ·
Having been behind the wheel of an AV, I would say no the tech isn't quite there yet to fully trust 100%.
 
#36 ·
Only problem is, there are still way too many bad drivers who don't realise (or refuse to admit/accept) that they are bad...
 
#39 ·
As others have said, this is a no from me. It's just way too soon and early to have much of an opinion because it's not available. Hiro said it well with the need for infrastructure and standardization. And with the way things are going these days, I can't see that ever happening. I don't have enough faith in humanity to vote yes now, nor do I have enough faith in humanity that we'd ever get to that point.
 
#41 ·
1 - bad drivers think they are good drivers and will say preventing them from driving is anti-constitutional
2 - Artificial intelligence is only a replacement for natural stupidity
3 - They can't even makes regular cars that work right after 100 years.
4 - The gadgets may look smart but the technology is always behind by decades.
5 - I'm more worried about the idiot programmers than the hardware.

Your car is driving... you're in the Rockies... you're going down a really steep long hill...
Then you get...

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YES, the blue screen of DEATH to watch as you head to your real death!


Short answer: HELL NO!
 
#45 ·
Just what I need. "The car that hit you was on autopilot, so it has to be your fault." I can't wait to buy a Suburban sized Cadillac, with a 3500 pound battery, so I can steam roll all the Echo's off the road.
When I used to play computer games, I first played the game, then the programming, then the computer itself.
What about preemptive anticipation of POTENTIAL failure scenarios. Sure ,any fool can tell you what $%^& up after the carnage, but who can prevent the carnage itself.
Is AE going to see the car sliding sideways into your rear end in a line of traffic and get out of their way? Hard to do with reactive programming. When they perfect anticipatory, proactive, programming. I'd give it a try, but I doubt it will ever be 100% effective.
Maybe after trying to make a little money delivering for a national pizza chain, it would be nice to see the old geezers actually going the speed limit, or the city bus driver going more than 19 MPH in a 35 zone. How would it handle a blowout on the left front and a head on on a 55mph two lane road.
I think when they compare any AE to the AVERAGE driver they have set the bar so low and amoeba could beat it
 
#48 ·
Just what I need. "The car that hit you was on autopilot, so it has to be your fault." I can't wait to buy a Suburban sized Cadillac, with a 3500 pound battery, so I can steam roll all the Echo's off the road.

What about preemptive anticipation of POTENTIAL failure scenarios. Sure ,any fool can tell you what $%^& up after the carnage, but who can prevent the carnage itself.
Is AE going to see the car sliding sideways into your rear end in a line of traffic and get out of their way? Hard to do with reactive programming. When they perfect anticipatory, proactive, programming. I'd give it a try, but I doubt it will ever be 100% effective.
Try adding a little snow from an isolated snow cell that backs up traffic for 6 miles, or a heavy fog bank that just rolled in. Sure, you might have stopped, but did the idiots behind you stop? Everyone has seen those 50+ car wrecks that make it on the news or You tube before. Would you want to be stuck in a self driving electric car in one of those wrecks, waiting for the battery to catch fire?
 
#47 ·
I have not had any accidents in the last 30 years.. 5 motorcycles and two trucks and three sportscars and 2 large cars and now an suv. Drove 50 k miles a year at work for 40 years with only one car running a stop sign and hitting the right side of a large van. Driver was 83 and had no idea where he was. So I will put my driving against any computer any day.
I would like self drive cars to drop me off at the medical place or hospital for less walking.. or to be able to sit in 2 hours of stop and go driving. But generally i love driving and would rather deal with that. I also prefer cars with no screen and manual transmissions. No lane assist and no auto braking... no have a cup of coffee warnings.. no warnings that its slippery out. I like the driving part.
 
#49 ·
I have not had any accidents in the last 30 years.. 5 motorcycles and two trucks and three sportscars and 2 large cars and now an suv. Drove 50 k miles a year at work for 40 years with only one car running a stop sign and hitting the right side of a large van. Driver was 83 and had no idea where he was. So I will put my driving against any computer any day.
I would like self drive cars to drop me off at the medical place or hospital for less walking.. or to be able to sit in 2 hours of stop and go driving. But generally i love driving and would rather deal with that. I also prefer cars with no screen and manual transmissions. No lane assist and no auto braking... no have a cup of coffee warnings.. no warnings that its slippery out. I like the driving part.
Yup, that's why I still have my 56 year old VW. I keep it around for driving pleasure. The only thing electronic in it is the CD player. :D
 
#51 ·
Nope. The human brain and human motor skills aren't perfect, but they're able to think on the spot to avoid unforeseen circumstances and minimize impacts. Computers can't always do that.

Plus, computers do things like tell you to turn when there's no lane or road to do so. Imagine your autonomous vehicle making a turn onto grass and taking you through some weird wilderness trail because its GPS/computer system told it to.