Sienna projector housings do very fine for halogen.

 

Well, one of the reasons I upgraded was that I felt like I could not see far enough on low beams. I have a 2004 Sienna before this one and I loved the lights on it when I upgraded them to LEDs. But ever since I got this 2013, I have felt unease driving at night because I just can't see far enough ahead on low beams. I never noticed the short illumination plain with the halogen bulbs but LEDs provide a lot more definition and maybe it has always been this illumination plain that has been the problem. If it is a design issue, I will find a way to change it. It is too dangerous to drive it the way it is at night.

 

For a comparison, my 08 Camry with its HIDs are far weaker than my mom's 11 or 13 Sienna with its halogen.

The way I see it, what are people's expectations. Whether in the city or in the darkness of night, just how far are you expecting that light to shine?

I feel for some people, they may well be expecting sun light from their lights.

Keep in mind, if the LEDs have an adjustable orientation you can try changing it.

This is one of my few videos on darkness.

 

This is not about expectations of brightness. I am not sure you have a clear understanding of the issue I am talking about. It has nothing to do with brightness. Maybe someone can respond that does understand what I am saying.

 

You are putting LED lights in a housing designed for halogen. It's not going to work correctly. Low beams aren't designed for you to see far down the road that's why you have high beams.

 

I have 1.5 million miles of driving experience on two continents. Please do not treat me like an ignorant teenager.

 

Here is a video I got a couple nights ago. Otherwise, fine brightness is not the issue but exactly what are you expecting in how far the light projects? The woods 10 miles away? Like, am I supposed to see those signal lights near the corner of the end of my direction? Compare the lights, put one halogen in and see the difference. Also keep in mind, videos and pictures only do so much.

 

I basically said that without an explanation. All you can do is adjust your lights.

 

I basically said that without an explanation.

Not hardly.

 

Then what do you plan to do?

Otherwise here are my new lights for a comparison.

 

Then what do you plan to do?

I plan to do research to see if there is an aftermarket solution that lets me replace the OEM projector-style low beam, with Reflector style low beams. If I adjust the cutoff higher, I run the risk of blinding oncoming traffic. The reflector style house is a much superior style of low beam that allows for a focused bright beam with a low intensity overshadow. Much better.

The projector-style CutOff is the absolutely stupidest idea I have ever seen. The engineer that came of with this idea should be hung by their toenails and waterboarded until they repent for ever thinking it up.

I absolutely loved the lights on my 2004 Sienna. Best headlight I have ever seen.

 

Backwards thinking. 🤷‍♀️

 

No. Intelligence over fashion. It is simple logic and science. Velocity + Mass = Inertia. Higher velocity equals greater inertia, which equals a great distance needed to stop. These cutoff lights design may be fine at 30 MPH in a city. But at 70 MPH on an open highway, they simply do not give you enough time to react and stop.

It is simple fact.

 

Projectors "may suck" but quality of LED's is also important. Projectors do fine at night in the middle of nowhere. 🤷‍♀️ I've driven plenty in the middle of nowhere in darkness.

 

Projectors "may suck" but quality of LED's is also important.

Not sure what your point is with that statement. As I have said before the LEDs are plenty bright. The issue is the cutoff, not the brightness. The cutoff comes from the projector design, not the lightbulb (as far as I know).

All I know is that my Sienna is too dangerous to drive in the dark the way it is, plain and simple. I am not here to argue about preferred technology. I am here to make my drive safer. I understand the purpose of the projectors style, and I think that for people the drive in city driving conditions, it makes perfect sense because the streets are illuminated by light already, so distance vision is not an issue and blinding oncoming traffic in a busy street could be hazardous. I think the engineers were only thinking about city-style driving when they designed this. They did not have dark rural roads with loads of wild animals in mind.

What I am saying is that, if a person is driving mostly in the city or along major road ways there are lit, these Projector light might be great for them. They only suck because of where I drive. I need something that fits my needs, not the majority of drivers.

 

LED's themselves can be an issue. Otherwise good luck on finding reflectors.

 

USE YOUR HIGH BEAMS!!!! All of your problems are solved with a flick of the turn signal switch.

Why are you relying on low beams if you live in a rural area with wildlife? Here is an interesting fact for you. Your headlights are designed to be used with the high beams on most of the time outside of urban areas. Low beams are to be used when passing oncoming motorist. This is why if you have automatic high beams the high beams are on most of the time and the system dims only when passing or following other cars.

In Europe they are called main beams. Because they are the main lights you should be using. They call low beams dipped lights.

USE YOUR HIGH BEAMS!!!

 

USE YOUR HIGH BEAMS!!!! All of your problems are solved with a flick of the turn signal switch.

Why are you relying on low beams if you live in a rural area with wildlife? Here is an interesting fact for you. Your headlights are designed to be used with the high beams on most of the time outside of urban areas. Low beams are to be used when passing oncoming motorist. This is why if you have automatic high beams the high beams are on most of the time and the system dims only when passing or following other cars.

In Europe they are called main beams. Because they are the main lights you should be using. They call low beams dipped lights.

USE YOUR HIGH BEAMS!!!

Better yet, auxiliary lighting.

 

It’s both an LED issue and projector headlight design issue.

Nobody got the time to put a LED in a projector housing. The reason is the LED has a smaller space to spread the light and refract it onto the road. Projector units are designed more specifically for certain bulbs.

If you wanted real light performance you need to go quality HID. It’s mostly a direct replacement for a halogen bulb. The color should be 4.3k-5k. I believe if you are a lot older now, the warmer color will be less impactful to the eye. Hence, a warmer color.

I’m in the automotive aftermarket headlight taillight industry. I guarantee that your OEM headlight has a higher capability to output useful light than aftermarket. The BEST setups are Custom retrofit headlights. I used to crack open aftermarket headlights on the job for an undisclosed reason but most aftermarket units are small and will not be as good as OEM. Only nicer cars have decent projector units in these aftermarket lights. Your in a common van.

Here is my personal example of the difference between aftermarket and OEM and Retrofit.

Bottom right is the size and glass of the aftermarket projector. Top right is my Acura TL projector. Top left is Morimoto D2S 4.0. I installed two pairs of projectors in my headlights. Don’t think there is anything better than my quadruple projectors.

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It’s both an LED issue and projector headlight design issue.

Nobody got the time to put a LED in a projector housing. The reason is the LED has a smaller space to spread the light and refract it onto the road. Projector units are designed more specifically for certain bulbs.

If you wanted real light performance you need to go quality HID. It’s mostly a direct replacement for a halogen bulb. The color should be 4.3k-5k. I believe if you are a lot older now, the warmer color will be less impactful to the eye. Hence, a warmer color.

I’m in the automotive aftermarket headlight taillight industry. I guarantee that your OEM headlight has a higher capability to output useful light than aftermarket. The BEST setups are Custom retrofit headlights. I used to crack open aftermarket headlights on the job for an undisclosed reason but most aftermarket units are small and will not be as good as OEM. Only nicer cars have decent projector units in these aftermarket lights. Your in a common van.

Here is my personal example of the difference between aftermarket and OEM and Retrofit.

Bottom right is the size and glass of the aftermarket projector. Top right is my Acura TL projector. Top left is Morimoto D2S 4.0. I installed two pairs of projectors in my headlights. Don’t think there is anything better than my quadruple projectors.

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My cheap Rock Auto's headlamp's projectors seem to be of satisfactory quality for $45. LED's is the easy way but putting a little work into HID's and you will get a whole lot.

 

A. You cannot make pie out of shit. The light assembly on Sienna is just absolute POS.
B. LED will not do good. I tried both Phillips and OSRAM and they are mediocre. Found out that they perform much better in fog light assembly.


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Sienna projector is fine.

 

my projector looks fine with led, nice cut off line.