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BBK options (and NO, IS350 caliper doesnt fit)

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Edit, 9/9/14 - Test fit Evo Viii Brembos, Post #12

Hi guys, I've made a decision to implement some type of BBK solution on my new 2014.5 Camry SE. This post is just some FYI for anyone researching a front BBK on their 7th gen Camry.

I've been looking at ls430 calipers, acura rl and various other 4pot setups with good looking calipers. The goal is to have a great looking caliper and lighter/larger rotor.

When I searched this forum there were many posts stating "What about the IS350 caliper ......" Just to confirm NON FITMENT I tried my is350 caliper and stock rotor. The is350 caliper will NOT bolt on without adaptors. The rotor however will fit with slight modification to the dust shield. This is especially interesting because a 2-piece rotor for is350 weights only 11.5 lbs!!! ;)

This also means that a Caliper for/from an IS250, IS350, IS-F and GS350 will not directly bolt onto the Camry.


IS350 Rotor left, 2014.5 Camry SE right-
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Holding is350 caliper to 2014 Camry knuckle; you can see its not even close-

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Junky is350 rotor on 2014.5 Camry SE-

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Hope this helps someone when they search " IS350 Caliper " :grin:
 
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That sucks...how much damage to the wallet for the parts?
 
#6 · (Edited)
Hi guys, I've made a decision to implement some type of BBK solution on my new 2014.5 Camry SE. This post is just some FYI for anyone researching a front BBK on their 7th gen Camry.

I've been looking at ls430 calipers, acura rl and various other 4pot setups with good looking calipers. The goal is to have a great looking caliper and lighter/larger rotor.

When I searched this forum there were many posts stating "What about the IS350 caliper ......" Just to confirm NON FITMENT I tried my is350 caliper and stock rotor. The is350 caliper will NOT bolt on without adaptors. The rotor however will fit with slight modification to the dust shield. This is especially interesting because a 2-piece rotor for is350 weights only 11.5 lbs!!! ;)

This also means that a Caliper for/from an IS250, IS350, IS-F and GS350 will not directly bolt onto the Camry.

IS350 Rotor left, 2014.5 Camry SE right-

Holding is350 caliper to 2014 Camry knuckle; you can see its not even close-

Junky is350 rotor on 2014.5 Camry SE-

Hope this helps someone when they search " IS350 Caliper " :grin:
^thanks I saw that on previous gen camrys. I'm going for something easier on the eyes and far lighter in weight. ;).

Here's the 6pot 380mm 2 piece brembo setup I had on the front of my is350. Rears were a big 4pot 355mm.

It's tough to look at ugly brakes after seeing those for so long ;)

Thanks for fixing the picture links
 
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#12 · (Edited)
Could a mod clean up the useless posts in this thread?


More info. for the few of you that care:

I got a hold of a set of Evolution viii calipers and test fitted them on the 7th gen Camry. The caliper mounting holes line right up to the Camry! The pics are with stock rotors but the evo caliper will fit the Highlander rotor perfectly. However, it looks like the caliper will need 3mm shimmed off of the mounting tabs for correct rotor center. Either that or use rotors with a shallower hat so that the ring is centered (evo rotors should work).

To be continued.......

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Stock camry rotor, too small-
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Plenty of space with 18x8.5" +40 wheel-
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Back from dead!
I've had the highlander 2 piston setup on my toyotas for the last 5 years and it's great, but I always wanted more... haha. So I have been looking around(On and Off) for a while.
Here's the lowdown on EVO brakes for Camry/Avalon/Highlander - OP is correct about the EVO 8 calipers, they'll bolt right up! And that's where the fun stops! The only rotor that has the same hat height is the EVO rotor which should work with some* machining. According to my measurements the rotor would have to be about 335mm in diameter and around 44mm tall - there's no such choice that I know of. There is the older EVO 8 rotor but that's only 320mm and there's the newer EVO 10 rotor that is 350mm that you would have to have it machined down to 335mm. And you're still not done yet... the rims need to have huge amounts of space for calipers! The only of the shelf rim that would fit would be again an EVO rim or a spacer around 30mm which I'm not going to do to my car.
So if you're willing to do all that then you would have a great BBK.
 
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And you're still not done yet... the rims need to have huge amounts of space for calipers! The only of the shelf rim that would fit would be again an EVO rim or a spacer around 30mm which I'm not going to do to my car.
So if you're willing to do all that then you would have a great BBK.
Thanks for experimenting this for us. Now I know where to look. Regarding the rotors, I'm sure there will be one out there somewhere.

Regarding the wheels though, it should be common since to know that you can't use the stock wheels with a BBK since it was not designed for a BBK.

Evo 8 wheels are about 17 x 8" with +35 offset. If you upgrade your wheels bigger than 18x8, you should be fine with the BBK fitment, considering the rotor diameter needs to be bigger.
 
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Came across this thread during preliminary research on a brake upgrade for my 2006 Avalon. The Avalon shares the same steering knuckle part # (43211 AA010) as the 2003-2017 Camry and 2004-2008 Solara. So a Camry brake upgrade should fit my Avalon as the knuckle is the same.
Regarding the search for the correct rotor, began digging and came across an Acura forum searching for a big brake upgrade on the RDX. They ran into the same rotor problem needing 5x114.3 bolt pattern w a taller rotor. One member found a possible solution :
4th gen "SN-95" Ford Mustang Cobra
5x114.3 bolt pattern
71mm center bore
28mm thickness
44mm total thickness
16mm hat thickness (calculated)
330mm total diameter
Confirmed here: Duralast/Brake Rotor - Front 54046 at AutoZone.com

Addressing any concerns over brake bias in relation to master cylinder size :

2007 Acura RDX
Caliper pistons:
Front: (x4) 45.5mm
Rear: (x2) 38mm

Rotor diameter:
Front: 295mm
Rear: 305mm

Master cylinder: 7/8" diameter

---->Calculated static brake bias: 2.75 or 73%/27% (F/R)

2010 Acura MDX/2010 Honda Pilot

Caliper pistons:
Front: (x4) 50.8mm
Rear: (x2) 43mm

Rotor diameter:
Front: 330mm
Rear: 335mm

Master cylinder: 7/8" diameter

---->Calculated static brake bias: 2.74 or 72%/28% (F/R)

Brake bias calculations were done using the following tool:
Brake Bias Calculator

Hopefully this helps revive this thread. Maybe somebody has access to a spare rotor for a test fit.
 
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Came across this thread during preliminary research on a brake upgrade for my 2006 Avalon. The Avalon shares the same steering knuckle part # (43211 AA010) as the 2003-2017 Camry and 2004-2008 Solara. So a Camry brake upgrade should fit my Avalon as the knuckle is the same.
Regarding the search for the correct rotor, began digging and came across an Acura forum searching for a big brake upgrade on the RDX. They ran into the same rotor problem needing 5x114.3 bolt pattern w a taller rotor. One member found a possible solution :
4th gen "SN-95" Ford Mustang Cobra
5x114.3 bolt pattern
71mm center bore
28mm thickness
44mm total thickness
16mm hat thickness (calculated)
330mm total diameter
Confirmed here: Duralast/Brake Rotor - Front 54046 at AutoZone.com

Addressing any concerns over brake bias in relation to master cylinder size :

2007 Acura RDX
Caliper pistons:
Front: (x4) 45.5mm
Rear: (x2) 38mm

Rotor diameter:
Front: 295mm
Rear: 305mm

Master cylinder: 7/8" diameter

---->Calculated static brake bias: 2.75 or 73%/27% (F/R)

2010 Acura MDX/2010 Honda Pilot

Caliper pistons:
Front: (x4) 50.8mm
Rear: (x2) 43mm

Rotor diameter:
Front: 330mm
Rear: 335mm

Master cylinder: 7/8" diameter

---->Calculated static brake bias: 2.74 or 72%/28% (F/R)

Brake bias calculations were done using the following tool:
Brake Bias Calculator

Hopefully this helps revive this thread. Maybe somebody has access to a spare rotor for a test fit.
Not sure what you are trying to do with the RDX brakes, but for the very similar specs you can bolt on a set of front 08+ Highlander brakes(rotors and calipers), all you have to do is remove the backing plate of the knuckle.

As far as the brake bias, I'm confused... but you should know that the avalon uses a diagonal brake system split, so the effects(hydraulic ratio) of changing to a bigger or smaller calipers up front is diminished by that.