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Gear position indicator panel mystery

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#1 · (Edited)
Many second generation owners are complaining about strange illumination of the shift position indicator panel located to the right of steering column
When selector is in park the both P and R indicators are illuminated in about a half of normal brightness in the reverse position R is off and in neutral R and N are illuminated similar to P and R in park position.
D, 2 and L are illuminated normally [however the D can be out due to the burned out bulb):]
Some enthusiasts try to fix that problem by cleaning the neutral safety switch, but this problem is related to the printed circuit defect [see the first two photos]
P, R and N indicators are sharing the same tracer, which connects them to the ground; this tracer goes from these bulbs to the other side of the board via hollow rivet-like feature, [next to the yellow mark] and then the tracer continues on the opposite side of the board from rivet [yellow mark] to the ground terminal [another yellow mark].
2 diagrams below show the current flow with good and broken tracer:
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When the ‘rivet ‘ fails, but the reverse bulb ok, the current flows trough bulb to the ground via non-energized back-up light circuits. In reverse position the alternative ground becomes power source, but neither P nor N indicator circuits can be used as alternative ground if main ground tracer is broken.
This problem is not happening among the cars equipped with different design of the circuit board.

Tools and materials;
Regular length and stubby Phillips screwdrivers;
Phillips screwdriver
Soldering iron
Analog multimeter
Knife and tweezers
Soldering wire
1 inch long stranded wire
To repair proceed as follows:
Remove instrument cluster trim and unplug wiring ;
Remove indicator panel assembly
Remove circuit board
Check continuity of the tracer from the bulb to the ground terminal
Then solder small strand of copper wire as illustrated, using small soldering iron and electronic grade rosin core solder.
Verify repair
If desired, the L bulb can be swapped with D bulb to prolong its life;
All ‘rivets’ can be done as described above while board is out
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#2 ·
Great Write up. I got one question though... Are the Normal and PWR light in the same circut? My normal light comes on sometimes, and the PWR one always works when I press the PWR button.
 
#7 ·
Thanks
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Also where the shifter is does the PRND2L light up?
 
#11 ·
Hmm a few questions

Dr. J Thanks for this kick ass post well done!

Senario:
I have replaced my gear shift indicator cause somebody swapted mine in the past with one that did nto have the over drive light, need to get thoes codes!. Ok so I havethe same board and the same problem. I was a bit supprised after changing the bulbs in the board to discover this was happening with board. From the electrical work that i've done in the past i figured it was a feedback loop from somewhere. Glad I found your post I plan on doing this tomorrow. The odd thing is after sporting a driving sessionin my swagger waggon I can go from drive to park with the lights working properly yet each time I start the car same issue. So I'm assuming the riviot point your speaking of / sodder point is in a state of pre-fail. This version of this board, I believe was in all trac models. I've got the norm and power features and I know they won't work with my standard camry base .

Understanding of your solution.
Essentially it looks like a sodder point has failed and you have extended the circuit from one side of the board to the other? Am I correct?


My solution:
I plan on taking advantage of the sodder point and using a tail off of an LED and putting it through that point, it should be hollow and a LED tail should fit through it. Then simply sodder the connections


What are your thoughts? And did I understand your write up correctly?
 
#12 ·
Dr. J

Just wanted to thank you again. Great write up and it was the exact problem. I did a slight variation of what you did but essentially the same thing I have never seen a circuit board liek this one that did not want to take sodder. Kinda interesting.

This was a great post and thanks again! Only three more things to back to normal.
1. Struts
2. Small Rust repair
3. Reseal lid mounted tail lights
 
#13 ·
This is an old post, but still the best when it comes to restoring the dash gear position lights; I just restored mine with these instructions, and all the lights now work beautifully - thanks gang :)

What I found: testing for continuity between sides, I found that even one ohm of resistance was enough to keep the lights from lighting; If the trace is good, zero ohms. I located 5 of the pass throughs that needed the wire jumpers soldered in.

Switch Drive and First bulbs = good advice; I'll add switch the Norm and Pwr bulbs also, as the Norm is lit most of the time.

The circuit board is (varnished?) coated. I simply took the point of my pocket knife and scraped clean where I wanted to solder - had no problem getting solder to stick to the traces.

:)
 
#14 ·
Hello Dr. J & everyone,
I've just broken the light bulb with the green condom in the shift position indicator panel, as shown in the picture of the original post by Dr. J; do you know where I can get the bulb replacement (besides checking with the Toyota dealers)? It seems I have to buy the whole bulb unit with the (green) plastic base, as the bulb was broken off when I've tried to yank the bulb out of the base. My Toyota Camry is of 1987 Base model, 262,000 + miles; it still runs so good with no troubles. I love to keep it up and maintain it to the max.
Thank-you all for your posts in this thread; it's extremely informative to me.
 
#17 · (Edited)
I had this problem last October 2013 and posted what I did since I didn't find this link before I started. This other link gives the bulb part #'s except for the bulb with the blue base and green cap since this is the illuminator bulb. I just used the same bulb for this as the others. http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/1...eration-1983-1986-1987-1991/582513-v6-transmission-light-bulbs-other-bulbs.html

After seeing the pictures where this poster marked where the problem on both sides of the board, it was the same spot mine failed. Instead of trying to find a thin wire to fit through the VIA hole, the better fix is to 1) remove some of the insulating varnish around the holes on both sides and slightly down each wire since micro cracks can be created not only going thru the board but at the junction of the wire with the round circular VIA. 2) take a regular thin sewing needle (not safety pin) and push it thru the hole til it stops due to the tapper in the needle, 3) solder both sides of the needle to the board with some solder flowing down the bare wire trace from the circle to insure better connectivity, 4) clip off the excess part of the needle on both sides to the top of the solder ball. 5) recheck resistance connectivity from the blue resistor (66 ohms) but not thru the resistor to the bulb contacts.

Now it should work. Sometimes the traces coming off the big wire connector that is soldered to the board can have cracks in the wire trace too. This is harder to fix depending which pin is connecting badly to the board.