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#1 ·
Plannng on installing Denso PQ16TT spark plugs. My understanding is Denso is highly recommended (and part owned by Toyota).

Do you guys put any anti-seize on the threads? I hear some say it's a must, while others adamantly against. Also if no torque wrench, half a turn after hand tightened to gasket contact?
 
#2 ·
I don't have a Camry.

I use anti-seize on the threads. I've read not to do so b/c some of the plugs already have it and it messes up the installation torque. If no torque wrench, that hardly matters. Torque wrenches are $10 at Harbor Freight. If no torque wrench, use the calibrated elbow - i.e. look up the correct foot-pounds, figure the ratchet is about a foot long, and put that much pressure on it.
 
#4 ·
Go with the NGK standard copper (or v-power) plugs. BCPR5ES-11... A whopping $2 each, change every 15k miles or so.

Go with or without anti-seize... your choice.

For tightening, use a soft touch. You'll feel the gasket compressing for about 1 full turn, then the torque will ramp up quickly. Stop just as the torque required to keep turning the plug starts going up. 12-14 ft.-lbs.

-Charlie
Excellent advice for this novice. Will go with wrench and torque recommendation. Thanks guys.
 
#3 ·
Go with the NGK standard copper (or v-power) plugs. BCPR5ES-11... A whopping $2 each, change every 15k miles or so.

Go with or without anti-seize... your choice.

For tightening, use a soft touch. You'll feel the gasket compressing for about 1 full turn, then the torque will ramp up quickly. Stop just as the torque required to keep turning the plug starts going up. 12-14 ft.-lbs.

-Charlie
 
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#5 ·
Go with the NGK standard copper (or v-power) plugs. BCPR5ES-11... A whopping $2 each, change every 15k miles or so.


I don't think this is any cheaper than the Toyota platinum plugs which are changed at about 65k miles.


15k(5)= 65K miles
$2(5)= $10 worth of plugs changed on each cylinder


So the price between changing a platinum plugs vs. a copper plug isn't that much different, only the number of times you have to change them.
 
#7 ·
This. It isn't a choice of saving money.

The copper plugs definitely perform better (they are essentially the only thing that works in a 3s-gte, which reminds me, I need to replace the ignition system on mine...). The platinum and iridiums are more reliable for longer periods of time.

-Charlie
 
#8 ·
If the car is easy to work on and recommend by OEM, copper is what I go with. Copper is recommend for the 2S-E iirc , but then again spark plug changes on that engine is literally 5 minutes with almost no chances of breaking anything. Now, if your talking about a 1MZFE.....

I've used anti-seize on these. I used to just hand tighten them until they 'stop' from a light wrist, then a tad more. Always better to have them not as light versus snapping them/stripped the threading. I now have a torque wrench and you'll not regret buying a torque wrench.
 
#9 · (Edited)
Yep, I finally saw the light here and torque wrench is the way too go. Harbor Freight has 'em now for $11.99 with the right coupon. I'll probably stick with the platinums (4 for $14) as I'm not a fan of doing this maintenance too often... butterfingers here and one day would probably get the socket stuck. So slightly less plug performance in exchange for longer term is the best route for me. But I can see the case for copper.
 
#14 ·
Thanks. I'm not sure if replacing the gasket alone will solve my fouled spark plugs issue. Since I get blue exhaust smoke at morning startups, guessing that bad valve stem seals are also contributing and need replacement.

I was ready to do the gasket myself, but valve stem seals are too much for me and more for the mechanic. Might not be worth that kind of investment and still pondering.
 
#15 ·
Your spark plugs look fairly normal actually the oil contamination is not going on in the combustion chamber. The one on the right is curious though it doesn't have the corona discharge effect.
 
#17 · (Edited)
Edit as of last Sunday: Finally replaced my valve cover gasket and reinstalled spark plugs to ensure no fouling. Struggled to get the IPCV hose (edit: I think this is the crankcase breather hose) disconnected from the valve cover. The hose end split a bit but taped it up and put on a small clamp. Otherwise everything looked good and engine started up fine.

Then after driving a bit I noticed the idle was a bit rough and on the low side. Opened the hood and rechecked all connections - everything looked good and no leaks inside or underneath. A while later had trouble starting but finally it did.

Took it out for another spin. Engine died at a stop sign and refused to start. It cranked but wouldn't turn over. Had to have it towed to a local auto shop where it sits now. Can't think of anything done wrong. It's as if the air intake is now limited or severely reduced. I'm at a loss.
 
#18 ·
Only thing I can think of a vacuum leak or something to do with the spark plugs. I know with vacuum leaks, they will tend to show more when the car is warm up.
 
#19 ·
Ran down to the auto shop to see what they found out. They said 2 out of 4 cylinders aren't getting spark, and that I must have damaged one or more wires during valve cover removal. It was awfully tight and couldn't help but bend that wire set on the left side of the valve cover. 25 year old car is going to have brittle wires, and this seems likely cause.
 
#23 ·
A question is which wires impact only 2 out of 4 cylinder. The shop is telling me it's not the spark plug wire set, but elsewhere. Other than that set, the only wires I had to disturb during cover removel was the cluster at the valve cover's immediate left. But I really have no idea. Still waiting for the shop to diagnose.