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Xtreme LED Philips HighBeams 9005 by Xenon Depot

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#1 · (Edited)
I just got the pair of Xenon Depot XTREME LED high beam replacement setup.
Nice hardware!
So the entire unit looks like its dipped in a matte batter of blackness, which reduces any glare. I think these guys are hanging around photo studios too long, but yes, thats what it takes to reduce any strays and photographers use it to absorb light vs reflect it out of control.
The units have the XD little logo at the tip, which is a nice touch they put on something they are proud of, and they should be....

Here is what I liked:
I liked the box and protection it came in.
They ship fast out of Canada
***INSTRUCTIONS***
The instructions, which I took a quick glance at for any unknowns or cautions, and then tossed it aside.
Its THAT easy! Just disconnect the OEM plug off the light thats in the car. Give a quarter turn counter clock, and the OEM bulb comes unlocked and just slide it out. Pictures below to help. Then take the LED head, look for XD to pointing and reading if looking at the lights, and slide it in the housing, give a snug push and twist clockwise. Take the connector that was plugged to the OEM bulb and connect it to the other end of the Xtreme LED's open plug. Then to tidy things up... Take the wires, and driver housing/ballast and the included zip ties, make a small bundle and zip tie it with another secured wire.

DONE!
It took me about 5 minutes to complete. The hardest part, if you want to call it that, is securing the driver and wires to something

It was getting dark when I did this, so my DRL were off. So I turned the lights on and turned the highbeams on and this thing just BLASTED a flood of light down the parking lot I was in.
WOW! 4K-5000 Lumens of light output!
Super bright, and that's exactly what I want in a highbeam! They are amazing for those woodsy pitch black dark roads and hwys that you need to have that forecast in whats coming up.
Also, if you need to get someones attention with a highbeam? these are IT!
So I did one side and left the other OEM in just to get a idea of the difference. I was able to look at the OEM side without issues, and I had to squint for the Xtreme LED's. They are at least twice as bright as the OEM's

Color temp is something that you might try and match up. I didn't go strict on it. As long as my lights are not blue, and they are not yellow, I'm mostly OK.
These are marked 5700Kelvin, while my XD Philips HID setup started at 4300K, and maybe getting a bit closer to 4700K. *I guess I dont see that yet. I see a blue tone when first turning on, so not yet that purple tint. Maybe need more hours to turn colder color, as I see them being a bit warmer still.
Though my Philips DRL are about 5500K, so they match, BUT my LED fogs are more like 5500K. So its a bit of a jumble, BUT, its not really noticeable unless you look for it. I rather have a safe view of the road than look all uniform in the lighting.
I am pretty picky and critical in this area, as I work with lighting and the use of lighting for vision on a daily basis. On the car I can try to adjust this in the future if I can. Maybe the LED fogs do match up with something better?
(Maybe a yellow gel overlay can simply make that a distinction for it being fogs, as I also like the yellow fogs).

So for those that have DRL, this is a simple plug it in and forget it straight forward deal. I have the LE model, which uses the Highbeams as DRL. I have alternate aftermarket DRL installed, so its just a matter of disabling the stock DRL so these are not on during the day in DRL mode (which is a low setting). The driver it comes with DOES have a modulating low beam option that comes on and you can certainly leave this on, BUT it does have a slight yet obvious flicker of the lights going on/off. So I will be turning this DRL mode.

There was someone asking about aux additional lights to add on the HL, such as light bars and such. Well these XTREME LED lights from XD simply blast so much powerful light, I doubt you'll even think of needing anything more. With a combo of HID, Fogs, and LED highbeams, you are illuminating and "leading the path through the valley of darkness"! (Movie reference: PulpFiction)
 

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#2 ·
Take some pics of these on the open road and maybe off the garage wall with one side stock?

Nice review though.. I'll definitely consider these to complete my HL lights - will complement 5k fogs and lows very nicely.
 
#3 · (Edited)
Just FYI, they don't output 4-5k lumens, its closer to ~3k total. Each bulb is ~1500lm. Also spec (doesn't mean it outputs that, but most will) for a 9005 halogen bulb is 1700lm (that is why their life is so freaking short). It "looks" brighter due to the change in color temperature.

More details here: http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/3...om/forum/333-3rd-generation-2014/1389329-halogen-bulb-wattage.html#post11704601 I said ~1700lm by cherrypicking the best values. By XD's own specs (19W ~125lm/W), the bulbs are probably closer to 1300lm each bulb.


You get something like this because you want the color, long life (assumign reliability), and lower power draw.
 
#4 ·
@sweeneyp - they are closer to 1900 lumens per bulb - based on actual sphere lumen data -- not on max theoretical light output. The specs I posted in the previous thread are per bulb (19W per bulb, not the pair). We could technically make these bulbs brighter using the same diodes, but have chosen not to do so for longevity reasons.
@Phil Indeblanc - subscribed!!
 
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@sweeneyp - they are closer to 1900 lumens per bulb - based on actual sphere lumen data -- not on max theoretical light output. The specs I posted in the previous thread are per bulb (19W per bulb, not the pair). We could technically make these bulbs brighter using the same diodes, but have chosen not to do so for longevity reasons.
So going purely off the numbers here, these LEDs should be just slightly brighter than the stock halogens, correct?
 
#9 ·
@sweeneyp - An H11 bulb is rated at 1000 lumens @ 12V, 1250 lumens at 12.8V, and 1350 lumens @ 13.2V. The numbers that I'm using for the XenonDepot LED bulbs are based on 12V.

I think I may have mentioned this in another thread, but our goal in designing this bulb was not to necessarily have the "brightest" bulb. We wanted a bulb that was reliable, brighter then stock, came close to mimicking a halogen beam pattern, and produced a nice color -- sort of like a "replace and forget" mentality.

Hope this helps,

Steve
 
#13 ·
It seems pretty accurate. You'll notice though that the bulbs listed are 65W @ 12.8V. I used a 60W @ 12V. The 9005 Osram Nightbreaker Unlimited bulbs that we carry are 60W-- I wasn't sure what the wattage was of the stock bulb in the highlander.

Take a look at this Philips link:

http://www.philips.com.au/c-p/9005DVS2/diamondvision-halogen/specifications

They claim 950, which seems low to me.

Steve
 
#20 · (Edited)
True, but gotta be careful pulling voltages. Comparing 12V halogen to 12V LED is not necessarily fair. The constant current driver on the LEDs sends the same amount of power to the chips regardless of input voltage (if designed right, up to a certain drop out voltage if it gets too low). Only halogen value that should be used is the operating voltage so ~13.2-13.4V.

Edit: Well that Phillips bulb is their heavily tinted bulb to get 5k output, that's likely why they are loosing so much output. Their non-tinted bulb is 1850lm and their less tented (4.3k) is 1400lm.


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Phil, those halogen specs are per bulb, not pair. And for the tolerance, the LED one depends on what chips are bought. Within the same family of chips, they are "binned" by their performance (efficiency). You can buy chips specifically in a specific bin or buy from various. Overall bulb output will depend on what is bought and how the bill of materials is spec'd on acceptable parts. Most will buy from the same bin, but the super super cheap stuff will use whatever they can get in that family.
 
#17 ·
Thanks,
There is a small arrow indication mark on the bulbs to line up, and mine were already lined up out of the box. Looking at the front the XD logo was also level.
So when I twisted the fixture into the opening I checked it with the logo orientation, which I think has the marker at 12 o'clock.

But good question, I may have to double check it just cuz you asked about it :)
Curious on what the allen key is for.
A little Allen wrench is included to make any adjustments, which is nice.
 
#18 ·
The OEM bulbs in the car are the Osram 9005 NBU, 22N, 12v 60w
According to OSRAM....
Power input
73 W Nominal voltage 12.0 V Nominal wattage 60.00 W Test voltage 13.2 V Luminous flux 1700 lm

Luminous flux tolerance ±12 %

In the output you see I'm thinking 1700 lumens is for the pair.
Also, I think LED is a much more stable use of energy, and I don't think a 12% tolerance would be involved, nor would I think 73 watts needed to drive it. /?
 
#21 · (Edited)
While you guys figure out the optimal output and the numbers....

I just drove a quarter mile stretch of heavy tree, pitch black street I take often...
I flipped the Highbeams on for the first time with the XD LED's, and it was MUCH brighter than OEM...
I am willing to bet that when they list 1700Lumens it is for the 2 bulbs total. No way a 400-500 lumen total difference is this much brighter. Or the LED's are listed at each bulb?
No matter the volts, the watts, the lumens, bottom line...
These are clearly safer, as they significantly improve visibility when you need it on demand.
 
#22 ·
While you guys figure out the optimal output and the numbers....
:lol: not trying to figure out anything, Steve posted everything already. Just commenting that comparing values at similar voltages isn't a valid comparison since electrically (and in real world use) they work in very different ways. That kinda gets back to the whole inflated XXX% brighter than halogen things you see everywhere (not necessarily XD); it's just pulling data from a grey area. It's correct, just misleading.

I am willing to bet that when they list 1700Lumens it is for the 2 bulbs total. No way a 400-500 lumen total difference is this much brighter.
Not both, individual: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/bulb_types/bulb_types.html Almost everything out there is rated per bulb.

And its likely the XD bulbs are outputting a little more than 2000lm if each are in fact operating at ~19W at a reasonable efficiency. That's why it seems so much brighter.
 
#24 ·
So @philIndeblanc what's your current lighting config. I'm reviewing my options (with the Mrs - $$) and debating what I'll do. I THINK plan is Fog/Lows. Not sure if I want to replace DRLs/Hi. Prob XD HID kit/LED fogs.

TL;DR.. Did you disable your DRLs or leaving them on through LED. If people are disabling DRLs are they running their Fog's on 24/7 as DRLs?
 
#25 · (Edited)
Hey @EasyEdC,

there are some folks who have the LE model, XLE, and others that have the Limited.
Limited has the OEM DRL on the fog bezel.
XLE uses the Highbeam with DRL combo with just fogs.
LE also uses the Highbeam/DRL combo with NO fogs.

Having no fog lights, I got aftermarket foglights, and with them I also installed Philips LED DRL, that sit similar to the Limited, below the fog lights.
This gives me the option to have the Highbeam DRL on or off as having 2 different ones is not necessary.
Also, I should mention that the LED highbeams do work as a lower output DRL. When used as DRL, the lower power it uses has a ever so slight flicker to it.
I have left it on for now, as it doesn't bother me, and only when you focus on it, you can notice it.
Its not a moticable slow flicker, so its not detectable unless you look for it, But it is slightly present. So I might be disabling it, if I feel like it at some point. Also that it is redundant to my lower DRL under the fog.

If doing one thing, I highly recommend your main headlights to be upgraded. I have the HID Philips XD (With the Philips added option in the drop down options) and love them. This is #1. You do have the LED upgrade, (which I wonder how it would do vs the Philips HID).
If you use fogs in your weather conditions, I highly recommend changing these as well. There is an LED option that XenonDepot has. I should be posting about this soon when I install them. This is #2
Third, and for some people less important are the Highbeams.

Highbeams come into "high" importance when you live in areas with low lighting support due to your local city ordinance :) Or you live in the suburbs.
You will LOVE having the Xtreme LED highbeams on in pitch black or very dark streets with little or no street light support. (Of course being mindful of on coming traffic). It just floods the road with beams of light.

The one thing that I might be more hesitant and split hairs on,i or if I were to do it all over, is the main lights...
I might want to go with LED for main headlights vs HID.
It would be something to test out at some point. As I love the output strength of the Philips HID, and not sure how LEDs would perform in comparison. (I dont know if they are the same as the XD led highbeams?)

I say this as the one area that would be nice is uniformity in color.
The HID starts at about 4300K color. Now they are warmer I notice and around 4300K color...But maybe I need more time for 4700K/? or this is the way they look, a bit warmer.
While my LEDs are 5700K. So this might be in consideration when selecting.

*What is nice about the Xtreme LED's is that they are rated at 50K hours burn time. Some others over drive these LEDs to get more light, but at the cost of dependability.
 
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Hey @EasyEdC,


If doing one thing, I highly recommend your main headlights to be upgraded. I have the HID Philips XD (With the Philips added option in the drop down options) and love them. This is #1. You do have the LED upgrade, (which I wonder how it would do vs the Philips HID).
Ended up going with option #1 last night while there was the Black Friday sale at @XenonDepot. Now I'm just waiting on my lights to ship. My wife asked "Do you really want new headlights as part of your Christmas??"... Yup.

I did debate additional lights, but thought I really don't need them. I rarely use fogs (even last night driving in pitch black with heavy rain fogs didn't make much difference, and I'm hoping the HID/Philips bulbs do that. And upping the DRLs (which I think you should use for "safety" is a problem for oncoming traffic, so holding off on those. However, I may order a set for the Mrs. Honda Odyssey if I am as happy with the HIDs as I expect to be.
 
#26 ·
Good points, Phil.

The only thing I'll add is in reference to your LED vs HID thought. The Xtreme LED bulbs aren't HID bright, so you'd be losing brightness. I'd still recommend HID in the Highlander low beams for that reason.
 
#27 ·
That is what I have and I am happy with them. I think at some point the 5000K though just slightly less bright than the 4300, maybe a good option. Unless when these hit 4700K it maybe closer. We can be nit picky and all, but in all reality, this is darn good.
 
#29 · (Edited)
Yes, I have a set.
Only thing is I'm not sure if my 5000K are the Philips. I forgot, but I think they only have a philips 5000K, right?
But yes, they are very good.
If I start getting OCD and really superficially think my headlights need to match all my other front lights, I'll swap to the 5KK HID bulbs. :)

I just spent 2-3 hours ...washed the car, and then Pro Mirror Glazed the car, and then Poly sealed it. I don't know if I could have done it all without a dual action orbital polisher!
Got super hungry and had too much sushi.
 
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