What did the gasket look like?

 

Looked just like the one on the Wix. I compared them afterward, and they looked identical - so it looks like comparing them beforehand wouldn't've done any good...

 

Did it bottom out on the threaded post before the gasket was seated?

 

I don't know, I couldn't see it because of the exhaust manifold.

Sure made a F'ing mess though...

Doesn't fram tout "microguard technology?" I know I've seen someone on TV advertising that term. The box doesn't say Fram on it anywhere that I could see. It does say "Check product for country of origin..."

 

One time issue, we'll see if it happens again.

 

I won't, because I will spring for the Wix or Toyota filter next time. My old Wix is back on and not leaking.

Sometimes that can happen if the o-ring doesn't come off with the filter, and you put a new new filter w/new o-ring on top of the old one... But I guess that might not be the issue here?

Nope, both filters retained their O-rings, as I was able to compare them when swapping the old Wix back in.

The last I checked years ago these were rebranded Fram. Wouldn’t touch them of course. Not sure if they have Champion Labs ones.

order Denso or Bosch on rock auto and search up a 5% off code.

The fellow at O'Reillys said that they're actually made by Wix!

So I went there and told them what happened, and they let me return the filter even though I hadn't bothered to take my receipt. So I grabbed another quart of oil, and they gave it to me free. I also grabbed a bag of Nature's Broom spill cleaner, and with the credit from the old filter, the cleaner ended up being $1.07. I thought that was pretty cool. I do shop there somewhat regularly. This store is also near the edge of the metropolitan area, which means that you typically get clerks who do know a thing or two, or more, about cars and the products they sell, and you get good service.

And when I told them that they should pull all of those filters off of the shelf, he said that they will contact the manufacturer or distributor, and possibly get that batch recalled.

One time I selected the wrong U-joint for my truck at that store, and when I went back to exchange it for the right one, I told the clerk that I'd needed to haul 400 pounds of manure back to the lower forty, and he cracked up...

 

Sometimes that can happen if the o-ring doesn't come off with the filter, and you put a new new filter w/new o-ring on top of the old one... But I guess that might not be the issue here?

 

The last I checked years ago these were rebranded Fram. Wouldn’t touch them of course. Not sure if they have Champion Labs ones.

order Denso or Bosch on rock auto and search up a 5% off code.

 

Never heard of the brand, maybe the brand is not used in the EU. Fram I know by name. I'll continue to keep away for them.
Mahle, Bosch or Mann Filter are my preferred filter brands (oil and rest), for the Corolla and the VW's. Always satisfied. I'll gladly pay 2 or 3 extra bucks for something I trust. My car may be old but it doesn't mean it can't be well treated.

 

I've heard that might happen if there's some gasket material left on the block after you take the filter off. Maybe from a past oil change?

I buy Toyota filters from the dealership for $5-6. I think they are good filters and pretty inexpensive. I've heard they're made by Wix.

You can use a small mirror and a flashlight to see the mating surface on the block.

 

Too late, that filter is back at O'Reillys. I've done two or three oil changes on this car, and never had a leak until that filter.

The store clerk also said that that just happens sometimes. It's a first for me...

 

I tried to research who makes these Microguard Filters O'Reilly's carries and came up empty. I just happen to notice not too long ago, that they are 100% identical to a Bosch filter I had on hand, right down to the shape of the holes and the numbers stamped on the faceplate. Seems like many times, the name on the label is no indication of who actually makes the part.

 

Things happen and it is always interesting on when it happens.

 

I like Toyota oil filters because they come with the gasket pre-lubed with grease.

 

But usually there is still some oil on the surface where the gasket seats unless you wipe it off.

 

Ah yes. No I did not wipe it off.

 

Beware of the Wix made MicroGard filters????

 

did you take any pics of the leak or did it look something like this?

e10 oil leak

so i was starting up the car after 2 years of sitting(pumped out the old fuel from the tank first), but then it started smoking and i saw that the lower part of the engine is really oily for some reason: https://www.upload.ee/image/11748117/leke1.jpg...

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i think i did not lubricate the gasket the last time that i changed the oil, so maybe that actually causes some leaks... (altho the rubber gasket itself seemed totally oil and crack free on its surface...)

 

The concept of lubricating the gasket with oil (or an o-ring on a cartridge cap) is somewhat counter-intuitive, because one might think that would allow oil to squeeze out. But the lubrication is important.

When the rubber gasket first makes contact with the flange, there is zero or very low torque being applied against the flange. As the filter (or cartridge cap) is being tightened, the gasket must be free to "slide" against the flange as more torque is being applied until the filter is properly torqued. If the gasket cannot slide against the flange, the gasket can get slightly deformed and leak. This will not happen every time, but it definitely can happen.

 

I've seen this happen before when a filter is spun on dry.

 

We might just have made this thread the most comprehensive documentation on oil filter o-ring lubrication around.

Jokes aside though, good explanations and I agree this must be the likely culprit.

 

Realistically, probably a fluke.

Safe bet, just go get OEM filters. They're like $4.50 with a new crush washer if purchased in bulk. I buy packs of 10 because they fit both my Corolla and MR2.

Hmm, maybe I should convert the CT200h to the same spin on filter?

 

Realistically, probably a fluke.

I didn't catch this before. Always remember that a fluke can only be a stroke of good luck. I learnt this reading a column by James Kilpatrick, years ago.

If it was a fluke for anyone, it was for the company who made the bag of oil spill cleaner I bought...

 

Went to the store. Looks like some are Purolator types but with the cheap black ADBV instead of red silicone. Others look kinda like Champion Labs with the thick base plate.

Wix site shows they’re now owned by Hummel/Mann. So it’s the same company as Purolator and Bosch. The latter being their premium line.

 

Huh, didn't know fluke was strictly positive. That is nice!

 

Will be negative if you reverse the leads

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I just picked up a 2000 Camry. It didn't leak oil at the oil filter interface, but when I removed the old oil filter, there was NOT a drop of oil on the o-ring, which looked like new. My cars typically are the poster children for oil leaks. Go figure.

I no longer buy Microgard*, and my records show installing four oil filters in the past year in my two cars. I never had a leak due to the oil filter or an oil light that stayed on for more than a few seconds.

Ya also gotta wonder why OEM oil filters are $3-$4 each in a batch. I think it's due to numerous reports on Toyota Nation of only 51% filtering of 20 micron particles. Citation (see second post for diagram):

Oil Filter Choice for December 2018

Background: I always run my Fram Ultra filter for 10K mi and do an oc every 5K miles. Verified that a Fram Ultra @10K mi performed to specification (99%@20 micron) via Blackstone particle test. I live in the Northeast and usually change the oil near the end of December and then again in...

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* Thanks to ToyotaNation, I bought Motorcraft FL-400s and Purolator PL14476 oil filters, both of which have > 95% filtration at 20 microns. They're a few bucks more than OEM, have higher capacity than OEM, and have not leaked oil (yet). I also have some Fram XG3600 oil filters which are eagerly awaiting use on my Toyotas

 

Probably over tightened. You said "made sure it was tight toil filters don't really have to be tight, just firm.Did you smear oil on the gasket or was it cross threaded? Could have been a few different things but probably not the filter's fault. Check out the Microgard Select, silicone adbv and the base gasket is also silicone, nice filter.

 

Last night I stopped at O'Reillys and got three quarts of oil and a microgard filter.

I just now got done changing the oil - but when I started the engine, the oil light didn't turn off after like five seconds! I'd poured oil to the top in the filter, twice, and let that settle, and then spun it on - I made sure it was tight too. And then I poured the rest of that quart, and two more, into the engine.

So after the five seconds, I shut off the engine and got out and looked, and there was a huge puddle of oil on my driveway!!! It looked like it was coming from the filter area, so I immediately took the POS microgard off and put my old Wix back on. Thankfully I hadn't irretrievably tossed it... I poured my last quart in and started the engine, and the oil light went off after a second or two, and there is no more leaking. I checked the dipstick after ragging up the big puddles and putting down some kitty-litter, and it was halfway between Full and Add.

How was it leaking? I don't know, I guess through the O-ring seal?

So I'm about to go try to find the receipt and go try to return this POS. The clerk recommended Wix but it was like $9, and he also stated that the microgard wasn't very good - but I still expected the damned thing to not leak... I wish I'd gotten the Wix instead. The microgard was like $4.99 or something. They were out of Toyota filters too...

So the moral of this uncool story, bro(s), is to NEVER put a microgard oil filter on your 7th gen Corolla!

/End rant

Same shit happened to me with my chevy tahoe last week. Microguard filter from o'Reilly's. (I repair cars, I am not new to this) did oil change, take off the lift and drive, oil pours out none stop from filter. Filter on completely. So tight that the thing started shredding when I tried to remove it to install a new better filter. Finally got it off. New one on and another 6 quarts of oil later... alls well. Never again. ..Cheers

 

Last night I stopped at O'Reillys and got three quarts of oil and a microgard filter. I just now got done changing the oil - but when I started the engine, the oil light didn't turn off after like five seconds! I'd poured oil to the top in the filter, twice, and let that settle, and then spun it on - I made sure it was tight too. And then I poured the rest of that quart, and two more, into the engine. So after the five seconds, I shut off the engine and got out and looked, and there was a huge puddle of oil on my driveway!!! It looked like it was coming from the filter area, so I immediately took the POS microgard off and put my old Wix back on. Thankfully I hadn't irretrievably tossed it... I poured my last quart in and started the engine, and the oil light went off after a second or two, and there is no more leaking. I checked the dipstick after ragging up the big puddles and putting down some kitty-litter, and it was halfway between Full and Add. How was it leaking? I don't know, I guess through the O-ring seal? So I'm about to go try to find the receipt and go try to return this POS. The clerk recommended Wix but it was like $9, and he also stated that the microgard wasn't very good - but I still expected the damned thing to not leak... I wish I'd gotten the Wix instead. The microgard was like $4.99 or something. They were out of Toyota filters too... So the moral of this uncool story, bro(s), is to NEVER put a microgard oil filter on your 7th gen Corolla! /End rant

Microguard Selects are a WIX made and rebranded filter. From what I have found on researching the base microguard are std OEM quality and made by Purolator for microguard branding. Drop-in imported cartridge filters are made for O'reillys MG branding by Mann/Hummell. Mann is the parent company now for Purolator and WIX brands having purchased them both in the past 5 years or so.

 

Last night I stopped at O'Reillys and got three quarts of oil and a microgard filter.

I just now got done changing the oil - but when I started the engine, the oil light didn't turn off after like five seconds! I'd poured oil to the top in the filter, twice, and let that settle, and then spun it on - I made sure it was tight too. And then I poured the rest of that quart, and two more, into the engine.

So after the five seconds, I shut off the engine and got out and looked, and there was a huge puddle of oil on my driveway!!! It looked like it was coming from the filter area, so I immediately took the POS microgard off and put my old Wix back on. Thankfully I hadn't irretrievably tossed it... I poured my last quart in and started the engine, and the oil light went off after a second or two, and there is no more leaking. I checked the dipstick after ragging up the big puddles and putting down some kitty-litter, and it was halfway between Full and Add.

How was it leaking? I don't know, I guess through the O-ring seal?

So I'm about to go try to find the receipt and go try to return this POS. The clerk recommended Wix but it was like $9, and he also stated that the microgard wasn't very good - but I still expected the damned thing to not leak... I wish I'd gotten the Wix instead. The microgard was like $4.99 or something. They were out of Toyota filters too...

So the moral of this uncool story, bro(s), is to NEVER put a microgard oil filter on your 7th gen Corolla!

/End rant

NEVER buy any oil filter but WIX .

 

WIX = China

i just found out that all Wix filters are made in China . and that makes them no better than that cheap junk at pep boys or auto zone .

www.toyotanation.com

Sorry, which advice should we follow?

Jokes aside, automatically disregarding (or vice versa) a product based purely on country of manufacture is a fool's errand these days