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Ford Admits its Hybrids Fail to Meet MPG Claims

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Ford acknowledged today that its hybrid fuel economy claims are unrealistic for real-world driving.

The company announced a plan “aimed at improving on road fuel economy customer satisfaction,” Ford global product development group vice president Raj Nair said today in a press conference. It asks current hybrid owners to bring their vehicles back to dealers for “enhancements” designed to improve real-world hybrid fuel economy.

Those changes include the ability to drive on electric power at up to 85 mph rather than the former 62. That, and a series of other enhancements will improve customer satisfaction surrounding the actual fuel economy their hybrid vehicles offer.

Other changes include an optimized active grille shutter system to reduce drag. Nair also said Ford is speeding engine warm up times by over 50 percent to allow the engine start-stop system to operate sooner after a driver starts the car. The same tweaks will be made on vehicles being manufactured.

Ford also promised that the changes will be carried out free of charge and that they will not affect vehicle performance — something the brand says has played a key role in differentiating its hybrids from Toyota products. The C-Max offers more output than the Prius.

MPG Scandal Late Last Year

During the presentation, Nair spoke about addressing varying fuel consumption associated with hybrid vehicles in December, 2012. That month, Consumer Reports had also released its real-world fuel economy tests showing both the C-Max and Fusion hybrids returning significantly poorer than advertised fuel economy. It was a big discrepancy (the largest the consumer publication had ever recorded), and one that came shortly after Hyundai had been caught fudging its advertised fuel efficiency ratings.

Rather than the 47 MPG combined claimed by Ford, Consumer Reports returned 39 MPG in the Fusion Hybrid and just 37 MPG in the C-Max hybrid.

It wasn’t long before the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced that it would begin testing to evaluate both vehicles.
Read the complete story on Ford fuel economy claims at AutoGuide.com
 
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At least they're admitting it they were stretching the truth.
 
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Nope and that applies to everyone. If Hyundai wasn't caught they would continue posting inaccurate numbers. It was only a matter of time and I was certain it was either going to be Ford or GM because of noteworthy discrepancies after Hyundai was taken down. Its now a question of who's the next liar?
 
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Ford is releasing software updates to make improvements. Hyundai couldn't make the improvements with software so they made it with their wallet.

If they already have the software updates then they've been working on it for months, if not over a year. I work in engine developement and have an idea of what the budget is for developement based on how many people are working on it for how long and what they make. ford probably spent as much on developement (to get from the time of release state to now) as hyundai spent in paying people off.

Which almost makes it worse that they gave the innaccurate figrues to start with. I can see how it happened but that doesn't excuse it...those were the original goals, they didn't want to back down, and they just needed more time to reach them. They probably planned on doing it a lot quieter like a dealer bulletin ("if customer complains about poor mileage, offer software update") or something.


Sort of like the differences in marketing between apple software updates and android: Apple works on it in-house without telling people and only has to validate it on a relatively small number of hardware platforms. THEN they announce it and release it and the carriers test it (again, relatively small number of hardware platforms) and bam, done. Android OS gets updated, then all the hardware mfrs have to test it (on everything, prioritized by newness), then the carriers have to test those (again, many devices, prioritized by newness), which is why it takes 6 months to never to get android updates wheras apple device updates seem immediate. (I still don't like apple but there are other threads for that debate)
 
#21 ·
I have been seeing ford trucks on the side of the highway lately, around half were late models as well. Don't know what the deal is with that but I have not seen toyotas on the side of the highway. Boring? Yes. Reliable? Yes.

I'd rather be in something boring that gets me home than in something that makes me have to walk home in this summer heat. Not too fun of a vehicle to have then.
 
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If that works for you so be it. Different cars from different folks. Like why I got a XRS Corolla instead of a LE.
 
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My half sister just got back from a family reunion in Oregon. She and her husband own an independent Toyota/Honda repair shop but have a Ford for their 5th wheel which they took to the reunion. One thing on it broke and the nearest parts were in Calif. So a few days to get it repaired. Then something else broke. Got it back and something else broke. I think she got stranded up there an extra week and a half while waiting for various parts. Just as she arrived home, something else broke and it's now in the shop at home. Yeah, there's a reason the whole family drives Toyotas. :lol:
 
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Somehow, I question why they couldn't get parts for their truck. Even in Oregon outside Portland, there ought to be a Chrysler/Ford/GM dealer around. Remember, many folks still buy American because in many parts of rural America, it is too far away to go to an import make dealership, and American carmakers thrived because of the "hometown/mom & pop" dealership. For parts of Oregon outside Portland, the atmosphere is almost "redneckish".

But to the point, you and your family have a good reason as to drive nothing but Toyotas. My family is also that way, but the motive is mostly financial and personal (we get employee discount, plus the cars aren't that badddd :D).
 
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Another family member has had a ford truck for over a decade and it's broke down on them 4 times. I've had a toyota the same amount of time and have had no break downs and I know that I'm much harder on my car driving it than they are driving their truck.
 
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Haha I LOLd quite hard ^^

Chrysler V6? Any car with a V6 from Chrysler is painfully slow. I've driven the new Chrysler 300c with the 3.6L V6 and it was slow, very slow for a V6. It didn't sound as bad as the cacophonous natured GM harsh & strained 3.6L V6.

Impala? Your kidding your self mate.

I'm well aware or the Altima & Accord V6 models, but you mentioned them..
 
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Impala? Sorry, you don't have them down under, and I doubt you rented one if you even came here to the States. Your bias doesn't make the Camry V6 faster, so stop talking out of your a**. If anything, the old RAV4 V6 was a true sleeper.